Spectre (Bond 24)

ricero

Dayum wrote: »

I like Daniel Craig and I enjoyed his interpretation of Bond except for QoS...

But with that being said, I agree with Quentin Tarantino in that the direction the franchise has gone may not be the right one for the future. James Bond in Flemings eyes was no superhuman that Hollywood have continually portrayed starting with Brosnan. Brosnan's Bond was cringeworhy. I'm glad they toned that down with Craig but as Tarantino stated Bond is supposed to be a period drama piece with thriller elements - not a full blown all-out action movie that wouldn't look out of place in a Michael Bay production.

I love Christoph Waltz and I know he's going to save this movie. The man could sit, ramble about paint drying and still have you on the edge of your seat. His role as the Nazi in Inglorious Bastards was a cruel, evil f*cker but he developed such an eccentric character you couldn't help but like him.

If I was Eon I'd give the Bond franchise to Tarantino and his cinematographers for the reboot. Break new ground by having a black 007 - Denzel Washington or someone with Michael Fassbender, Liam Neeson or Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain.

Your ideas are terrible

humanji

bigar wrote: »

As already mentioned in my previous post:

- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

So, "Die Another Day"?

eviltimeban

bigar wrote: »

As already mentioned in my previous post:

- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

So you want the same movie over and over?

Dayum

ricero wrote: »

Your ideas are terrible

What ideas?

James Bond will be black in the near future. This has been common knowledge for the best part of a decade. The only question is who? Idris Elba was the forefront for a while. Washington said he wanted to be Bond two weeks ago. In fact I'd be hugely surprised if the next Bond actor wasn't black.

Second, Tarantino wanted to direct Casino Royale but Eon didn't give it to him. It's no secret he's a great admirer of the classic Bonds and as someone that sits in Flemmings corner I know he may be the only one with the passion to bring that back.

Lastly, Cumberbatch and Fassbender are two actors I admire particularly playing villains and I'd have no reservations about playing Bonds nemesis.

None of my above statements were controversial in anyway. Not sure whats so terrible about them. If you want what I think you want, go and watch Mission Impossible of the Bourne series. Because that's not Bond.

Jumboman

Dayum wrote: »

What ideas?

James Bond will be black in the near future. This has been common knowledge for the best part of a decade. The only question is who? Idris Elba was the forefront for a while. Washington said he wanted to be Bond two weeks ago. In fact I'd be hugely surprised if the next Bond actor wasn't black.

Second, Tarantino wanted to direct Casino Royale but Eon didn't give it to him. It's no secret he's a great admirer of the classic Bonds and as someone that sits in Flemmings corner I know he may be the only one with the passion to bring that back.

Lastly, Cumberbatch and Fassbender are two actors I admire particularly playing villains and I'd have no reservations about playing Bonds nemesis.

None of my above statements were controversial in anyway. Not sure whats so terrible about them. If you want what I think you want, go and watch Mission Impossible of the Bourne series. Because that's not Bond.

Bond should not even be blond never mind black.

After they have a black James Bond they will then want a female Bond.

This is just political correctness gone mad.

AnonoBoy

Jumboman wrote: »

This is just political correctness gone mad.

Bond was Scottish for a while if you remember.

I presume you have a problem with that too.

pixelburp

Jumboman wrote: »

Bond should not even be blond never mind black.

After they have a black James Bond they will then want a female Bond.

This is just political correctness gone mad.

Leave political correctness out of this, Idris Elba would make a fantastic action lead, be the character named Bond or not. James Bond is just a male ego trip anyway, his appearance is ultimately immaterial: why should it matter if he was black, blonde or blue-eyed?

Jumboman

pixelburp wrote: »

Leave political correctness out of this, Idris Elba would make a fantastic action lead, be the character named Bond or not. James Bond is just a male ego trip anyway, his appearance is ultimately immaterial: why should it matter if he was black, blonde or blue-eyed?

It matters because that is not the description of James Bond Ian Fleming gives in the books.

This is what Fleming thought Bond should look like.

Daniel Craig looks nothing like that.

Also Bond is not meant to be a body builder either like Craig is.

bnt

I see no point getting hung up on exactly how Bond should look. Fleming himself modified Bond's back story in response to the movies, giving him Scots ancestry to reflect Sean Connery's on-screen portrayal of Bond.

Besides, who looks like Hoagy Carmichael these days? Closest I can think of is Benedict Cumberbatch.

eviltimeban

Don Draper?

BuilderPlumber

eviltimeban wrote: »

It might be internal - it might be based in England. As per the synopsis, "While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE".

So it could be some hidden organisation that exists within the secret service. Even if it is that, we know he has to do a bit of skiiing to get there.

Actually I like the idea of a journey that sends him around the world and then back to England - though this would be very similar to the arc in Skyfall. But one of my favourite things about Skyfall was the London setting.

Yes. While we have seen the rogue agent before in the likes of Goldeneye and the infiltration of a secret service in Quantum of Solace, the latter storyline could be expanded more of course. The 'terrible truth' behind SPECTRE must hint that it is created, controlled or assisted by someone or some organisation Bond knows and trusts as an ally?? The hint is that some political force supposedly allied to the secret service is the problem here.

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

They didn't get fleeced. Bond killed Greene and Medrano was killed so there was no coup in Bolivia I imagine. Although we have no idea how it played out there after QoS. Mr. White is still at large and we have no idea who is behind it all as you say.

Hopefully, this is what the new film will sort out. Mr White should feature again and Quantum could become SPECTRE (which would reflect real world terrorists like al Qaeda morphing into ISIS in Iraq/Syria). Clearly, the intention was to recreate a SPECTRE style organisation with Quantum and now they have legal right to the name, they can use it and have Quantum become part of or all of it.

In Fleming's original books, SPECTRE was comprised of various elements drawn from SMERSH, other communist secret services, the mafias of Italy and Corsica, ex Nazis and other criminals. Blofeld was given a background as a Polish opportunist with Nazi dealings and obviously N0. 2 man Largo was Italian mafia. Not much background was given in the films but Largo in Thunderball obviously talked, looked and acted like the mafia don he was. I wonder what the new SPECTRE will comprise of. Obviously, a lot of the original sources are no longer relevant.

AnonoBoy

Jumboman wrote: »

It matters because that is not the description of James Bond Ian Fleming gives in the books.

And what about the Scottish accent or is it only looks that you're stubbornly rigid on?

humanji

Jumboman wrote: »

It matters because that is not the description of James Bond Ian Fleming gives in the books.

This is what Fleming thought Bond should look like.

Daniel Craig looks nothing like that.

Also Bond is not meant to be a body builder either like Craig is.

In fairness, he's also a racist, homophobic, misogynist prick, but they changed all that because times have changed. The Bond of the books was largely forgotten in the movies. And each iteration of Bond in the movies has been different. A black guy playing Bond is no different to a blonde haired guy playing him if the mannerisms are relatable to what we expect.

FunLover18

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Hopefully, this is what the new film will sort out. Mr White should feature again and Quantum could become SPECTRE (which would reflect real world terrorists like al Qaeda morphing into ISIS in Iraq/Syria). Clearly, the intention was to recreate a SPECTRE style organisation with Quantum and now they have legal right to the name, they can use it and have Quantum become part of or all of it.

In Fleming's original books, SPECTRE was comprised of various elements drawn from SMERSH, other communist secret services, the mafias of Italy and Corsica, ex Nazis and other criminals. Blofeld was given a background as a Polish opportunist with Nazi dealings and obviously N0. 2 man Largo was Italian mafia. Not much background was given in the films but Largo in Thunderball obviously talked, looked and acted like the mafia don he was. I wonder what the new SPECTRE will comprise of. Obviously, a lot of the original sources are no longer relevant.

It would cool if SPECTRE was an ISIS like terrorist cell created by Quantum in order to allow them to gain more. Create an enemy only they will be able to destroy sort of thing.

FunLover18

Brilliant!! Empire are reporting that Mr White will return in SPECTRE

OldeCinemaSoz

Blofeld is back. Kevin McClory must be either dead or given up. Anyways our character actor friend from the Tarantino double header will give it a good go.

Another Oscar perhaps?

ricero

Any rumours to who is doing the theme tune ? Id love either Noel Gallagher or Lana del ray to sing it

Dayum

ricero wrote: »

Any rumours to who is doing the theme tune ? Id love either Noel Gallagher or Lana del ray to sing it

Sam Smith apparently.

OldeCinemaSoz

ricero wrote: »

Any rumours to who is doing the theme tune ? Id love either Noel Gallagher or Lana del ray to sing it

How about Annie Lenox?

Iranoutofideas

A black Bond is the stupidiest idea I've ever read in relation to this series.

miralize

Muse need to do it.

Skerries

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

A black Bond is the stupidiest idea I've ever read in relation to this series.

Colin Salmon was earmarked at one stage, which I think is why he was used as Bond in Little Britain

FunLover18

Dayum wrote:

Sam Smith apparently.

Aw hell no!!!

Dayum

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

A black Bond is the stupidiest idea I've ever read in relation to this series.

Regardless of whether you think it's a stupid idea or not, there is no use fighting it. Just accept it and embrace it because it's inevitable.

fitz

I'd like to see them address the actor changeover as part of the plot.

Craig's movies have an overall arc...why not have that arc build to a climactic challenge in his last movie, with him saving the day while not wiping out Spectre entirely, but barely surviving the effort and having to retire through injury.
The next actor then takes on the "Bond" identity.
essentially use it as an alias...have them assign people to the 007 alias who fit a type and skill set. Establish the James Bond name as a code name in the same manner as 007.

You could then have scope to kill a Bond. Hell, you could even do it with Craig, with the Bond name retention being an MI6 nod to his sacrifice.

On the topic at hand, Elba would be a great Bond. He's got the same kind of physical presence and charisma as Connery imo.

drugstore cowboy

fitz wrote: »

On the topic at hand, Elba would be a great Bond. He's got the same kind of physical presence and charisma as Connery imo.

Age is against him though. 42-43 I think and when you factor in the wait until the final Craig movie and a new one being made he'd be getting on a bit.

FunLover18

Elba will never be Bond he's too old. The best shout for a black Bond is Chiwetel Ejiofor

Dayum

fitz wrote: »

I'd like to see them address the actor changeover as part of the plot.

Craig's movies have an overall arc...why not have that arc build to a climactic challenge in his last movie, with him saving the day while not wiping out Spectre entirely, but barely surviving the effort and having to retire through injury.
The next actor then takes on the "Bond" identity.
essentially use it as an alias...have them assign people to the 007 alias who fit a type and skill set. Establish the James Bond name as a code name in the same manner as 007.

You could then have scope to kill a Bond. Hell, you could even do it with Craig, with the Bond name retention being an MI6 nod to his sacrifice.

On the topic at hand, Elba would be a great Bond. He's got the same kind of physical presence and charisma as Connery imo.

Interesting.

Craig dying at the end of the movie would be massive in terms of publicity. I remember during Casino Royale everyone was saying how Bond was getting married. It would just be a swerve nobody expects and a genuine cliffhanger to set up the intro of the new Bond in the next movie.

Iranoutofideas

Dayum wrote: »

Regardless of whether you think it's a stupid idea or not, there is no use fighting it. Just accept it and embrace it because it's inevitable.

Eh no thanks. When Hollywood go down that route they can get lost. Next you'll have a female bond, a gay Bond etc just for the sake of being politically correct.

I'd rather see the series die than that happen.

pixelburp

Jumboman wrote: »

It matters because that is not the description of James Bond Ian Fleming gives in the books.

This is what Fleming thought Bond should look like.
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So basically Bond should look like Ian Fleming himself? Definitely adds more evidence that the books were nothing more than wish fulfilment - on the part of the author anyway.

Funny thing, ordinarily I'd agree with you about a character's appearance - Jack Reacher was a good recent example of casting that completely missed the point, where the appearance informed the character itself, but James Bond is a cultural icon that has transcended well beyond the original material. He doesn't 'belong' to the novels any more, no more than Sherlock Holmes exists solely within the cultural space of literature. Both characters exist in a big open pot of pop-culture, away from their origins.

Holmes barely looks to the same from adaptation to adaptation, though the character remains the same. Nobody questions if Holmes' hair is correct as long as the man still behaves like a sociopath. Besides, ask 100 people to describe James Bond and they won't talk about his hair colour, they'll describe the character and his qualities: the quips, drinking, womanising, gadgets etc.