Spectre (Bond 24)

BuilderPlumber · 04-12-2014 11:21pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You mean Quantum is Irish Water!!111!1!one!eleventyone!!

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

Quantum relocated to Ireland in 2009 and then became Irish Water later on

BuilderPlumber · 04-12-2014 11:33pm

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

Waltz had to be playing Blofeld. They just require the rights and then announce the new movie is called Spectre.

Its a no brainer.

I can't wait

I'd assume this film will feature Blofeld who will go by the name Oberhausen for disguise. This smacks of OHMSS of course where Blofeld used another name. This will be a good film I'd say but have a feeling it may be a sort of a remake of OHMSS??

What form will an organisation like SPECTRE (al Qaeda/ISIS in the real world?) take? Quantum in the previous films stayed completely neutral of country so too will this I'd say although it will prob hint strongly at being al Qaeda/ISIS sans being associated with any one country or religion. John Gardner's 1980s novels Role of Honour and Nobody Lives Forever had an 'Islamic' fundamentalist leader of SPECTRE of course (a Tamil Rahani). But this will not be the style of the films ever. SPECTRE was actually originally invented to apoliticise the books by Ian Fleming (SMERSH were a Soviet Stalinist organisation that became less fashionable once the cold war began to thaw).

FunLover18 · 05-12-2014 12:03am

eviltimeban wrote:

Skyfall was hardly comparable to a Moore Bond movie. It was still pretty gritty. There were no safari suits. ï¿¼

Yeh I was definitely being harsh. But I wasn't happy with the direction taken in Skyfall. Hopefully all the nods and winks were a one off for the anniversary.

Mister Jingles · 05-12-2014 7:20am

It baffles me that somehow Irish Water has been mentioned in this thread.

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 10:46am

Mister Jingles wrote: »

It baffles me that somehow Irish Water has been mentioned in this thread.

There's always someone. :rolleyes:

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 10:50am

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

What form will an organisation like SPECTRE (al Qaeda/ISIS in the real world?) take?

It might be internal - it might be based in England. As per the synopsis, "While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE".

So it could be some hidden organisation that exists within the secret service. Even if it is that, we know he has to do a bit of skiiing to get there.

Actually I like the idea of a journey that sends him around the world and then back to England - though this would be very similar to the arc in Skyfall. But one of my favourite things about Skyfall was the London setting.

Dayum · 05-12-2014 12:33pm

I like Daniel Craig and I enjoyed his interpretation of Bond except for QoS...

But with that being said, I agree with Quentin Tarantino in that the direction the franchise has gone may not be the right one for the future. James Bond in Flemings eyes was no superhuman that Hollywood have continually portrayed starting with Brosnan. Brosnan's Bond was cringeworhy. I'm glad they toned that down with Craig but as Tarantino stated Bond is supposed to be a period drama piece with thriller elements - not a full blown all-out action movie that wouldn't look out of place in a Michael Bay production.

I love Christoph Waltz and I know he's going to save this movie. The man could sit, ramble about paint drying and still have you on the edge of your seat. His role as the Nazi in Inglorious Bastards was a cruel, evil f*cker but he developed such an eccentric character you couldn't help but like him.

If I was Eon I'd give the Bond franchise to Tarantino and his cinematographers for the reboot. Break new ground by having a black 007 - Denzel Washington or someone with Michael Fassbender, Liam Neeson or Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain.

bigar · 05-12-2014 12:41pm

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

The people behind the scenes, however, make me less hopeful: the writers of the last 5 (non) Bond movies and a director who cannot make a proper action movie if his life depended on it.

HankScorpio1985 · 05-12-2014 12:42pm

Noblong wrote: »

Ok. They did that well. But.. they still got fleeced on the money sucking ponzi scheme and I bet one man was behind it all.

They didn't get fleeced. Bond killed Greene and Medrano was killed so there was no coup in Bolivia I imagine. Although we have no idea how it played out there after QoS. Mr. White is still at large and we have no idea who is behind it all as you say.

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 1:07pm

bigar wrote: »

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

That's exactly what I don't want.

Skylinehead · 05-12-2014 1:11pm

Dayum wrote: »

If I was Eon I'd give the Bond franchise to Tarantino and his cinematographers for the reboot. Break new ground by having a black 007 - Denzel Washington or someone with Michael Fassbender, Liam Neeson or Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain.

Denzel Washington? He's American! Utterly awful choice. I'd be much more onboard with someone like Idris Elba.

FunLover18 · 05-12-2014 1:11pm

bigar wrote: »

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

The people behind the scenes, however, make me less hopeful: the writers of the last 5 (non) Bond movies and a director who cannot make a proper action movie if his life depended on it.

Skyfall ticked nearly everyone of those boxes

eviltimeban wrote: »

That's exactly what I don't want.

+1

indough · 05-12-2014 1:13pm

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

HankScorpio1985 · 05-12-2014 1:17pm

indough wrote: »

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 1:17pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

Skyfall ticked nearly everyone of those boxes
+1

Well, not quite. We don't know if Silva was a billionaire; sure he had a lair on an island but he didn't want to take over the world - he just wanted to kill M. What he did as part of his hacking network was under the radar, so to speak.

About the only thing was the one-liners - but even they were subtle.

indough · 05-12-2014 1:19pm

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

yes, they are also mostly ****e compared to the new films

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 1:19pm

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

No I think he means the list posted above, with the usual tropes rolled out - the henchmen, the lair, the gadgets etc.

Fleming's Bond was one thing but does Bond have to stick to that formula? Can't he move on? Otherwise it would be set in the 60s and have Bond smoking his specially-made cigarettes and getting his suits in Savile Row.

Dayum · 05-12-2014 1:20pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Denzel Washington? He's American! Utterly awful choice. I'd be much more onboard with someone like Idris Elba.

Yeah, I was going to say him but decided to type "someone". Washington was tweeting how he'd love to be Bond a few weeks ago so I thought I'd throw that out there.

Dayum · 05-12-2014 1:22pm

indough wrote: »

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

What ****e old Bond formula? That ****e old Bond formula is Ian Flemmings Bond.

What they've done equates getting Michael Bay to direct an episode of Downton Abbey.

indough · 05-12-2014 1:24pm

Dayum wrote: »

What ****e old Bond formula? That ****e old Bond formula is Ian Flemmings Bond.

What they've done equates getting Michael Bay to direct an episode of Downton Abbey.

And if Michael Bay's version of Downton Abbey is better then you stick with it. Staying loyal to the source material means **** all, all that matters is making the better film

Skylinehead · 05-12-2014 1:29pm

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

Actually, Dalton's Bond would be the one I'd say was most like Fleming's original.

Dayum · 05-12-2014 1:30pm

indough wrote: »

And if Michael Bay's version of Downton Abbey is better then you stick with it. Staying loyal to the source material means **** all, all that matters is making the better film

Just because a movie is set in the 60's doesn't automatically mean it has to be ridiculously bad by default. You're comparing the old Bond films to the new one's when the oldies were shot in a different era of film. All movies from those days were shot similarly as are todays. Look at Django - a movie set during the early 1800's and it's not only beautiful to look at in terms of cinematography, but also the writing. Let's not get confused - when the Flemming group shouts for a return to the original James Bond it doesn't mean they want to shoot the movie on a toaster or completely throw out modern technology and cinematography techniques.

HankScorpio1985 · 05-12-2014 1:32pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

No I think he means the list posted above, with the usual tropes rolled out - the henchmen, the lair, the gadgets etc.

Fleming's Bond was one thing but does Bond have to stick to that formula? Can't he move on? Otherwise it would be set in the 60s and have Bond smoking his specially-made cigarettes and getting his suits in Savile Row.

Nothing wrong with getting a suit from Saville Row. No, I do agree that he has to move on but this is a reboot of the franchise with Casino Royale being the first film. While it has to be in a modern setting I do think it should stick to to a lot of Fleming's ideas of Bond. Just set in 2014. As for your examples...
Henchmen: what rich person doesn't have a bodyguard these days?
Lair: A big house in a secluded location away from prying eyes. Usually what most rich private people want
Gadgets: My smartphone can remind me what to pick up from the shop when it recognises I'm close by. Gadgets are surely a staple for any decent spy.

indough · 05-12-2014 1:33pm

Dayum wrote: »

Just because a movie is set in the 60's doesn't automatically mean it has to be ridiculously bad by default. You're comparing the old Bond films to the new one's when the oldies were shot in a different era of film. All movies from those days were shot similarly as are todays. Look at Django - a movie set during the early 1800's and it's not only beautiful to look at in terms of cinematography, but also the writing. Let's not get confused - when the Flemming group shouts for a return to the original James Bond it doesn't mean they want to shoot the movie on a toaster or completely throw out modern technology and cinematography techniques.

I'm not sure what you are saying here.

also, Django shot in the 1800s?
edit: oh sorry set

yes I don't care about the setting of the 60's, it was the rubbish storylines that make them bad films

HankScorpio1985 · 05-12-2014 1:37pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Actually, Dalton's Bond would be the one I'd say was most like Fleming's original.

True. And if you're being picky you'd say DC was next in line in terms of similarity followed by Connery. I was including the films style and setting as well in my statement.

HankScorpio1985 · 05-12-2014 1:39pm

indough wrote: »

yes I don't care about the setting of the 60's, it was the rubbish storylines that make them bad films

Do you include From Russia With Love and Goldfinger in that?

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 3:34pm

The only thing a bit silly about the premise for the new movie is that he'll be driving a new Aston Martin DB10. If the new Bond is set in a more realistic world, would an Mi6 agent go around in such an expensive car? Unless they work it into the plot.

Regarding the use of the DB5 in Skyfall, I took it to be that it had belonged to his father, and he partly used because they were "going back in time".

bigar · 05-12-2014 3:47pm

indough wrote: »

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

Why? Because that is what a Bond movie is to me. The same as a Star Trek movie needs starships and transporter beams, the Pink Panther needs Inspecter Closeau, the Lord of the Rings needs wizards and orcs. That is what that type of movie is about.

The last "Bonds" were movies yes, with some action (or a snorefest as is the case for the last two), but no Bond movie. I don't mind that they keep on making the movies as they do now but give us a proper Bond movie as well.

eviltimeban · 05-12-2014 3:57pm

bigar wrote: »

Why? Because that is what a Bond movie is to me. The same as a Star Trek movie needs starships and transporter beams, the Pink Panther needs Inspecter Closeau, the Lord of the Rings needs wizards and orcs. That is what that type of movie is about.

The last "Bonds" were movies yes, with some action (or a snorefest as is the case for the last two), but no Bond movie. I don't mind that they keep on making the movies as they do now but give us a proper Bond movie as well.

Describe a "proper" Bond movie.

bigar · 05-12-2014 4:46pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Describe a "proper" Bond movie.

As already mentioned in my previous post:

- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

Spectre (Bond 24)

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