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One thing worth mentioning is that I'm talking about specific place.Never seen a fox/rabbit/dog suddenly appear from the side of a country road? Id love to see you deal with that at 100mph...
Fox / rabbit - yes - occasionally.
Dog - never unless there is a sheep farmer around gathering his sheep.
No deer around.Deal with a deer or similar and let us know how you get on.
Chance of meeting rabbit, for or deer during rally SS is the same as in normal traffic.The suggestion that its safe to do in excess of 100km/h on some of the back roads in Ireland because there is the occasional hill for a look out is utter lunacy. And thats coming from someone where WRC rallying is in the immediate family. You should always proceed at a speed where you have a chance of reaction and course correction given the distance in front you can see. The difference in a close road scenario is you have pace notes in one ear and the knowledge that in 99% of the cases the road ahead is clear, then you can push as hard as you like.
Stage is closed, but animals don't really know about it - do they?
As you said - I wouldn't make much difference if rabbit runs in front of you at 80km/h or 160km/h. You wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.Zubeneschamali wrote: »In the specific case discussed here where an animal runs out into the road, this is simply impossible. An animal can literally run under your wheels.
No horses around in my place.I know of a case where a horse jumped a hedge and came through the windscreen. That could happen when you are not moving at all.
Agree."Course correction" is very often the wrong thing to do in this case anyway. Running over a rabbit is much safer than swerving to avoid it.
Why?Running over a rabbit at 100mph is likely to cause you big problems whether you swerve to avoid it or not.
I can't see a difference between running a rabbit at 160km/h or 80km/h.
Rabbit in front of your car can appear anytime and at any speed.And are you really trying to say that there is no difference between trying to deal with a situation like that at 50mph than there is at 100mph?
Over last 5 years here, I run over 2 rabbits, and both situation happened at speeds lower than 60km/h.The bravado from some people both in this thread and others is laughable. Sebastian Loeb wouldnt drive most country roads I know at 100mph; if anyone on here thinks that they can then they need to either stop talking nonsense or take a good hard long look at themselves.
Of course Loeb wouldn't drive most country roads at 100mph unless they were closed special stage.
I wouldn't drive country roads either at those speeds.
But I know one particular road which I know perfectly, I know what to expect on this road, and therefore I know it's safe to do speeds like that.Iwannahurl wrote: »Care to define "perfectly safe"?
Perfectly safe for me means driving without doing harm to any other human being.0 -
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Fox / rabbit - yes - occasionally.
Dog - never unless there is a sheep farmer around gathering his sheep.
No deer around.
The majority of my 12 years of driving has been done on country roads, and in that time I have seen most things jump out of hedges, ranging from rabbits, foxes, dogs, cats, horses, sheep and cattle. If you dont expect all of those things and then some then you have no business being on the road quite frankly.As you said - I wouldn't make much difference if rabbit runs in front of you at 80km/h or 160km/h. You wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.
You dont think that you would have a better chance of dealing with a situation at 50mph than you would at 100mph?Why?
I can't see a difference between running a rabbit at 160km/h or 80km/h.
Rabbit in front of your car can appear anytime and at any speed.
Over last 5 years here, I run over 2 rabbits, and both situation happened at speeds lower than 60km/h.
Hitting something at lower speeds is likely to have less effect on your forward momentum than hitting something at high speeds. Ive seen drivers lose control after hitting animals and other obsticles; it stands to reason that the faster you are travelling the more chance you have of losing control, and the bigger the potential mess...But I know one particular road which I know perfectly, I know what to expect on this road, and therefore I know it's safe to do speeds like that.
You never know what to expect when driving on a country road, ever. If you think you do then you need to seriously cop on to yourself and reevaluate how you drive a car.0 -
All right, but the thing here is, that there is no hedges so nothing can suddenly jump out of it.The majority of my 12 years of driving has been done on country roads, and in that time I have seen most things jump out of hedges, ranging from rabbits, foxes, dogs, cats, horses, sheep and cattle. If you dont expect all of those things and then some then you have no business being on the road quite frankly.
I admit - I wouldn't spot a rabbit running towards the road while doing 160km/h, but horse or cow - yes. Anyway - there's none of these. Only animals around are rabbits, foxes (very occasionally - i've seen one over last 5 years), and sheep (which are easy to spot)
If rabbit runs straight in front of me, there is no dealing with a situation really. You just drive ahead as you did without doing anything, no matter what your speed is.You dont think that you would have a better chance of dealing with a situation at 50mph than you would at 100mph?
Hitting a rabbit at 160km/h is still no dangerous and it's not going to cause a mess.Hitting something at lower speeds is likely to have less effect on your forward momentum than hitting something at high speeds. Ive seen drivers lose control after hitting animals and other obsticles; it stands to reason that the faster you are travelling the more chance you have of losing control, and the bigger the potential mess...
Maybe I described it wrongly.You never know what to expect when driving on a country road, ever. If you think you do then you need to seriously cop on to yourself and reevaluate how you drive a car.
It's not a country road.
It's a road in the middle of nowhere without anything around.0 -
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Not as flat as Curragh (I don't know what is it, I only checked pictures on google), but there are some stretches where you can see same good as there. No obstacles, no hedges, just road and grass. Also it's in a hilly area, so on top of the hill you can see even further.If you are talking about somewhere like the Curragh where its completely flat with grass leading into road and no hedges blind spots then fair enough; thats not a country road and as you say you will most likely spot most things a distance away (dont be sure of spotting everything; things like foxes are not as easy to spot in the distance as you might think).
This by any chance isnt a road that you posted a picture of before, is it? I seem to remember you talking about your speedway once before and posting a picture of road that had fences running alongside it. It didnt seem to be quite as safe as you are making it out to be, but maybe Im thinking of the wrong road/poster.
General consensus is not to swerve to avoid animal, unless its something really big, or you are sure you will be able to control car after swerving.If something literally jumps under your wheels then yes, there is nothing that you can do about it (its a simple fact of driving on country roads). However more often that not it will be the case that you have some time to react, which is obviously where your speed comes into play. Any amount of speed is a calculated risk, but I would say that most road users could cope with the majority of situations at speeds up to 40-50mph. Id say its only the very tiny minority of drivers who would not end up in a serious accident if faced with the same situation at speeds of 90-100mph...
My experience with rabbits is that they appear and run totally randomly, and there's not much you can do any any speed above 20 to 30MPH.You absolutely confident of that? Are you certain that at 100mph you would not lose control if you hit an unforeseen obstacle? I doubt even professional race drivers would say that with any real certainty...
About 12 years ago, I remember I was driving behind my friend. He was driving this:
We were doing about 140km/h. I was keeping about 2s distance behind him.
Suddenly rabbit run straight under my friends wheels. He didn't even notice the rabbit until he run him over. Even though the car was tiny, he trajectory wasn't changed, and his passnegers barely felt anything except from noise.
Only drawback was that this rabbit somehow was thrown from under his rear wheels, and eventually it landed on my front grill/bonnet making a fair bit of damage.
Anyway - I'm pretty confident that even at high speeds rabbit is not going to cause a danger unless the driver undertakes some inappropriate manouvers to avoid it.0 -
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