Voter suppression and fraud thread

Overheal

http://gizmodo.com/5958105/this-voting-machine-wont-let-you-vote-for-obama

seen as well.

FootShooter

Thread from reddit.com where the fella that shot the "2012 voting machines altering votes" video comments: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_machine_altering_votes/

Also, the tech behind the Ohio election lawsuit made a thread on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12prub/im_the_tech_behind_the_election_lawsuit_filed_in/

Manic Moran

Looks like it could simply be a calibration error on the touchscreen. Certainly the responsibility of the local elections division, not necessarily malicious. As Caesar points out, they'd do a slightly more subtle thing if they wanted to get away with it.

Elsewhere... Battencourt-Cabana:
Two precincts merged to form one polling station, voters are told in their registration cards to go to an address which is in a gated community, they are also told to go to a specific gate. To get onto the community's grounds, pull up to the guard shack, explain to the guard where you're going, and they raise the barrier, and drive for the next mile. Drive right past the polling station as there is no sign visible from the road saying that that little parking lot is where the polling station is.

Amerika

southsiderosie wrote: »

I think you are missing my point. My concern is not the math, my concern is that it is a bigger problem when people use the power of the state to engage in voter suppression than when they act the maggot. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Yeah, and local! One has to question why the Democrats in Philadelphia are working so hard to stop appointed officials from monitoring this election!　
http://www.pagop.org/2012/11/pa-gop-obama-supporters-muscle-out-election-inspectors-but-gop-wins-first-and-second-challenge-to-seat-election-workers/

Ozymandius2011

The PA vote-flipping machine I showed you the video of has been removed from the polling-station. Story confirmed. It wasn't a hoax it was real.

joseph brand

Oregon election worker fired for altering ballots to Republican straight ticket

Contacted by Willamette Week, Swenson tearfully insisted that it was “only the two” ballots that had been altered.

The GOP were right. Voter fraud IS an issue. How did they know? Cos it was/is them. 'Only two' me boll*x.

joseph brand

Manic Moran wrote: »

Looks like it could simply be a calibration error on the touchscreen. Certainly the responsibility of the local elections division, not necessarily malicious. As Caesar points out, they'd do a slightly more subtle thing if they wanted to get away with it.

Funny how it chose Mitt and not Jill or Gary.

In case you're wondering, I have a tin foil Stetson.

Higher

Deleted User wrote: »

So it's poor, illiterate, iPad-owning minorities the GOP are targetting?

Poor and young, yes.

The republicans are really fighting dirty. They need this election more than ever for 2 reasons:
(1) If they don't win the party is on its last knees because America is changing. America is becoming more diverse and more disillusioned with one sided ruling
and
(2) No matter who wins, 12 million jobs are forecasted to be created in the next 4 years. If the Democrats win, and this happens under Obama, then the Republicans will be buried for years. However if the repubs win then the party will be considered the saviour and all will be forgotten about the Bush years and financial crash.

Fr Tod Umptious

joseph brand wrote: »

Funny how it chose Mitt and not Jill or Gary.

In case you're wondering, I have a tin foil Stetson.

Its a screen calibration problem as someone said.
If the voter selected a fraction of an inch further down they would probably select Obama, but that important part had been edited out cost it does not foot the narrative

Amerika

Some pics for your viewing pleasure from today's voting...

A Philadelphia, PA Polling station.



One from a Tallahassee, FL voting station.



An election judge in Chicago with his Obama garb.

Ozymandius2011

"True the Vote" rightwing group forging poll-watcher application forms.

Amerika

Fancy that… UN election monitoring officials are amazed that the US doesn’t require ID to vote!

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

Ozymandius2011

Howard Dean says Obama can only lose Ohio through voter suppression.

Robocalls reminding people to vote - on Wednesday.

Higher

jesus, africans and hispanics communities in key swing states getting called and told that voting is on until Wednesday

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/florida-voter-robocalls-174406076--election.html

Duck Soup

Higher wrote: »

jesus, africans and hispanics communities in key swing states getting called and told that voting is on until Wednesday

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/florida-voter-robocalls-174406076--election.html

From a link in the article you linked to:

Poll challenges, phony instructions could mar vote

WASHINGTON (AP) — Persistent reports of robocalls incorrectly telling voters they can cast ballots over the phone and fears of aggressive challenges by monitors at polling places threaten to mar Election Day in many key states, voting rights advocates said Monday.

The fake phone calls, some of which involve live callers, continued to crop up in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida, primarily among African-American voters, said Barbara Arnwine of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. The group has mounted a counteroffensive of tens of thousands of calls reminding voters they can't cast ballots over the phone.

"That is really dirty," said Arnwine, who added that the callers' identities remain a mystery. "It's a very sophisticated operation and it's very widespread, and it's very troubling to us."

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-challenges-phony-instructions-could-mar-vote-213620094--election.html

Manic Moran

Higher wrote: »

jesus, africans and hispanics communities in key swing states getting called and told that voting is on until Wednesday

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/florida-voter-robocalls-174406076--election.html

Got to love the assumption you make here.

That county is 82% white. At least 74% white, non-hispanic. The explanation makes sense as well, and the article also states that when the glitch was found, another round of calls was made correcting it. This is far from an example of nefarious minority-vote-suppressing.

Amerika

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Howard Dean says Obama can only lose Ohio through voter suppression.

Hmmm... If Obama had Ohio sewn up, why then did he spend sooooo much time there campaigning recently?

CiaranMT

Just watching CNN here and they reported on a couple of voting machines (can't remember where in the country) that would highlight Mitt Romney when you selected Barack Obama on the interface. Amateur footage was shown during it.

They reported that the machines were fixed but jaysus, the conspiracy theorists would love that one.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Some pics for your viewing pleasure from today's voting...

A Philadelphia, PA Polling station.



One from a Tallahassee, FL voting station.



An election judge in Chicago with his Obama garb.

And I was miffed walking out of my polling station when I saw campaign signs across the street (within 100ft), that there is just taking the biscuit.

nagilum2

Overheal wrote: »

And I was miffed walking out of my polling station when I saw campaign signs across the street (within 100ft), that there is just taking the biscuit.

Once again, more evidence that anyone who thinks that only the Republicans try to gain votes through nefarious means is crazy, or just a homer.

Manic Moran

Apparently a PA judge ruled down pretty quickly on the one of them. This was the result.

Face gone, logo and quotes still visible. Oh well.

Carcharodon

Its absolutely mind blowing how the Republicans have turned "voter fraud" into an issue for this current election, the lies and misinformation spread to the general public is quite disturbing from people we are suppose to trust to run our country. The amount of effort to prevent people to vote in order to gain power makes me sick, its just not democratic and goes againt everything this country wants to stand for.
This is an excellent interview about the history of these policies, well worth a read http://www.npr.org/2016/07/22/487033262/block-the-vote-a-journalist-discusses-voting-rights-and-restrictions
Here is the end of the interview
GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Let's get back to my interview with Ari Berman, author of "Give Us The Ballot: The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America.
So what do you think is behind the wave of new voting restrictions that we've seen in the past few years?
BERMAN: I think it's an attempt by elements in the Republican Party to make the electorate older, whiter and more conservative, as opposed to how the electorate was in 2008 when Barack Obama was elected. If you look at the methods that Republicans are using to try to make it harder to vote, they disproportionately affect minority voters, younger voters who were the core of Obama's coalition. But they also disproportionately target the methods that the Obama administration used so successfully to win election and then re-election.
The Obama campaign brought a lot of new voters into the political process by doing things like intensive voter registration drives, expanded early voting hours and days, things like same-day registration, where you can show up, register and vote at the same time. These reforms boosted political participation broadly and particularly helped Democratic candidates because the Democratic base is less likely to turn out than the Republican base in the usual course of things.
And so I think the country saw the huge turnout of new voters as a good thing in 2008. The 2008 electorate was the most diverse in American history. But some elements of the Republican base were very concerned by this new American electorate, which was dubbed the coalition of the ascendant. And instead of deciding to reach out to the changing demographics in the country, they started to think of new ways to make it harder for these people to participate in the political process.
GROSS: What are the kinds of restrictions that we're seeing now that are being contested?
BERMAN: So there's a whole range of voting restrictions. According to the Brennan Center for Justice, 468 new voting restrictions have been introduced in 49 states from 2011 to 2015. And half the states in the country have passed new laws making it harder to vote. So we're seeing this all over the country. The things that we're seeing, for example, are making it harder to register to vote, shutting down voter registration drives, eliminating same-day voter registration, cutting early voting, cutting back the hours and days for early voting, purging the voting rolls, requiring government-issued ID to cast a ballot.
This was not something that was needed - strict forms of government-issued ID - until very recently. And it was something that was not proliferating all around the country - preventing ex-felons from being able to vote. These are all the type of new voting changes we're seeing. And they're different from the literacy tests or poll taxes of years past. They're not so explicit. They're more sophisticated. But I think it's a similar effort to try to shape an electoral system in one party's favor and to decide or try to determine who can and cannot participate in the political process.
GROSS: Having written this new book about voting rights, what are your concerns about the 2016 presidential election?
BERMAN: I'm very concerned about it because the 2016 presidential election's going to be the first presidential election in 50 years without the full protections of the Voting Rights Act. I think, in many ways, we've come to take the VRA and what it did for granted. But the fact that states can pass new voting restrictions - those states with the worst histories of voting discrimination no longer have to clear their election changes with the federal government - means that, number one, those states can pass new restrictions very close to the election that are very hard to challenge.
And it also means, number two, that other states are going to feel emboldened to try to pass these efforts. So we're already facing a situation where, in key swing states like North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, new voting restrictions are in effect and could have a very big impact on the outcome of the 2016 election if they're not blocked in court.
GROSS: So the story that you are telling in your book, "Give Us The Ballot: The Modern Struggle For Voting Rights In America" - this is a story that is not nearly over yet.
BERMAN: It's not over. And we always want, as authors, to be able to tell a story that has a neat and tidy ending. But one of the reasons why I wanted to write this book is because I knew the fight for voting rights was not over. I knew that the history of the Voting Rights Act was unsettled. And I knew that we're going to be entering a period when the right to vote is contested, probably for many years going forward.
And so I wanted to talk about the history and emphasize the importance of the history at a time when there is a new debate over voting rights. And so I don't predict to know how that debate is going to end. But I know that it's an important debate and one that I wanted my book to be part of.
GROSS: Ari Berman, thank you so much for talking with us.
BERMAN: Thank you so much, Terry.
GROSS: Ari Berman is the author of "Give Us The Ballot." It will be published in paperback August 2.

RDM_83 again

I don't really get the issue with requiring some sort of ID or proof of identity to vote?I'm not familiar with the US but wouldn't everybody have something? Like how can an adult function with no proof of identity at all?Don't you need it for accessing social services etc

Overheal

Seems bumpworthy given the 3rd POTUS debate thread became a voter fraud thread.

Here's the real kind of election fraud happening,

https://www.quora.com/Who-benefits-more-from-gerrymandering-in-America-at-the-US-Congressional-level-Republicans-or-Democrats

Voter fraud at the polls has been consistently found to be statistically insignificant and in many cases non-existent, with accusations of it coming down to non-malicious errors in voting.

oscarBravo

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I don't really get the issue with requiring some sort of ID or proof of identity to vote?I'm not familiar with the US but wouldn't everybody have something? Like how can an adult function with no proof of identity at all?Don't you need it for accessing social services etc

We're not talking about Ireland, where you can produce a library card. When we talk about restrictive voter ID laws in the US, we're talking about situations where Republican administrations have consciously figured out which forms of ID Democratic-voting people are least likely to have (and find it hardest to get), and passing laws to require those specific forms of ID.

Requiring ID to vote isn't an outrageous idea, per se. The problem is that, in the land of the free, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and is pretty much exclusively used for voter suppression.

CMOTDibbler

oscarBravo wrote: »

We're not talking about Ireland, where you can produce a library card. When we talk about restrictive voter ID laws in the US, we're talking about situations where Republican administrations have consciously figured out which forms of ID Democratic-voting people are least likely to have (and find it hardest to get), and passing laws to require those specific forms of ID.

Requiring ID to vote isn't an outrageous idea, per se. The problem is that, in the land of the free, it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and is pretty much exclusively used for voter suppression.

The other issue is that the 24th amendment specifies that voting should be available and free to all. Requiring an ID that you have to pay for would contravene that.

Pennsylvania brought in a free ID card, but that was also overturned in court because it could only be obtained in DMV offices which many voters couldn't access because there weren't nearly enough of them and many were only open one or two days a week.

It's like a game of snakes and ladders. The object of which seems to be to disenfranchise rather than prevent fraud.

Overheal

In Governor Pence's own Indiana, police raided a voter drive which registered 45,000 new (mostly black) voters.

https://thinkprogress.org/indiana-registration-raid-51a6a7a83f37#.ru5fh1ho3

Patriot Majority alleges the investigation and raid were political moves, and that Lawson worked closely with Gov. Mike Pence (R), who has pushed the “voter fraud” conspiracy on the campaign trail alongside Donald Trump.
“We’ve seen nothing but partisan activity from the secretary of state, and even from the police,” Buck said. “They saw that there was a very successful voter registration drive happening, and this was an attempt to shut it down.”
“It’s clear that the governor or the governor’s staff are very aware and involved in what’s happening,” he continued. “It fits into the Trump/Pence narrative that in certain neighborhoods, you have to watch how many times people show up to vote and how things happen.”

Before raiding IVRP’s offices, police were already using aggressive tactics during their investigation of the group.
According to the New Republic, “police detectives arrived unannounced at the homes of get-out-the-vote activists to interrogate them about their voter registration work.”
Lydia Garrett, a 57-year-old voter registration worker, told the New Republic that police came to her home and repeatedly asked her if the group illegally sets quotas for canvassers.
“That’s what they kept on asking me: ‘How many did they tell you to get? How many did they tell you to get?’” she told a reporter. “And I said: ‘Sir, you can come back with two or three [registrations] and you’re still paid. I don’t understand what you’re saying.’”
Garrett claims that investigators kept questioning her, trying to get her to “say something negative.” She said police even asked her if she would be willing to submit to a polygraph test about her registration work.
Neither the police nor the secretary of state’s office would not comment on their tactics.

State elections officials have also enlisted the help of the Indiana State Police to push the “voter fraud” myth. Superintendent Doug Carter, who was chosen for the position by Pence, has been on television and was interviewed on right-wing radio Tuesday morning about the ongoing investigation.
On conservative talk radio, Carter said that “the notion that there is voter registration fraud is very real,” but denied that the investigation is “driven by politics.”
He accused the IVRP of forging signatures and making up people’s names. “To what purpose? We don’t know,” he told radio host Tony Katz. “That’s the purpose of the investigation. Were these acts of gross negligence? Were they acts of intent? That’s what we don’t know, and we don’t want to speculate.”
He added that police are going through thousands of registrations to make sure that nothing nefarious occurred.
“While I’ve been blamed by some of intentionally disenfranchising voters, nothing could be further from the truth,” he said.

On TV, Carter also called it “unconscionable” that anyone would imply that Pence ordered the raid, while also indicating his close relationship with the governor.
“I wish people could know Mike Pence like I do,” he said. “He has never ever tried to influence me with a decision that I had to make within the state police as we protect the citizens of this state.”

Look who's rigging the election now...

"The only kind of voter fraud that (Indiana's voter ID law) addresses is in-person voter impersonation at polling places," Stevens wrote. "The record contains no evidence of any such fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/24/indiana-voter-fraud/92675190/

Carter explained that voters' names, addresses and other information have been changed. In some cases, registration forms were filled in with fake information.

How widespread is the problem?

"Pure speculation at this point," Carter explained.

http://www.wthr.com/article/indiana-state-police-provide-update-on-voter-fraud-investigation

Abhorrent stuff.

Amerika

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-28/some-cities-want-their-immigrants-to-vote
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/
http://6abc.com/politics/action-news-investigation-voting-from-the-grave/1575596/
http://www.infowars.com/maryland-trump-supporter-they-switched-my-vote-to-hillary/
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article111029767.html
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Man-Accused-With-Filing-Fake-Voter-Registration-Applications-399027631.html

There’s no voter fraud…. Right?

K-9

Post moved to the relevant thread.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-28/some-cities-want-their-immigrants-to-vote
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/
http://6abc.com/politics/action-news-investigation-voting-from-the-grave/1575596/
http://www.infowars.com/maryland-trump-supporter-they-switched-my-vote-to-hillary/
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article111029767.html
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Man-Accused-With-Filing-Fake-Voter-Registration-Applications-399027631.html

There’s no voter fraud…. Right?

Let's go through that:

- A state wanting to legally change its state election rules. Not fraud.

- Jim Allen, a city election board spokesman, says a majority of those dead voters were most likely clerical errors, involving family members with the same names and addresses.

“This is not the bad old days,” Allen says. “There are just a few instances here where a father came in for a son, or a neighbor was given the wrong ballot application and signed it.”

The few cases reported here, over a quarter century, do not paint a vast national conspiracy that can tip an election.

- Commissioner Schmidt's office also checked some of the names Action News provided them. Schmidt said in the small sample-check he did, his office found no clear evidence of fraud.

"We do have one guy that is questionable, definitely," he added.

Schmidt also said that most of the issues he found would be considered human error. He cited things like poll workers scanning the wrong name, a person who would have signed in the wrong spot, or a son with the same name who may have voted in his dead father's place instead of his own.

- Previously covered case of human error, and not a problem with the machine. Not evidence of conspiracy to commit electoral fraud. Similar reports always crop up during election cycles where votes are switched interchangeably: if there was a conspiracy to tamper with voting booths, both parties are in on it, then..

- Case of election worker fraud that shows how steep the penalties are. No new law requiring voter suppression at the polls would have fixed that, both cases caught under the current configuration.

- No votes cast. 40 years in jail. Seems like justice served to me.

Phoebas

Amerika wrote: »

There’s no voter fraud…. Right?

I don't think anyone is saying that there is no voter fraud at all, but it doesn't appear to be of much consequence.

From your own links:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-28/some-cities-want-their-immigrants-to-vote
Not about voter fraud at all, but moves by some cities to extend the right to vote in some elections to non citizens.
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/
229 cases over 10 years and mostly not fraud at all.

Jim Allen, a city election board spokesman, says a majority of those dead voters were most likely clerical errors, involving family members with the same names and addresses.

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http://6abc.com/politics/action-news-investigation-voting-from-the-grave/1575596/
Again, a small number of cases, and again, mostly not voter fraud.

Commissioner Schmidt's office also checked some of the names Action News provided them. Schmidt said in the small sample-check he did, his office found no clear evidence of fraud.

"We do have one guy that is questionable, definitely," he added.

Schmidt also said that most of the issues he found would be considered human error. He cited things like poll workers scanning the wrong name, a person who would have signed in the wrong spot, or a son with the same name who may have voted in his dead father's place instead of his own.

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http://www.infowars.com/maryland-trump-supporter-they-switched-my-vote-to-hillary/
An unsubstantiated allegation on InfoWars, put down to voter error.

One election official responded by claiming the problems were caused by voters not understanding how to use the machines properly.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article111029767.html
Another isolated case where two arrests have been made, but no conviction. No illegal votes cast.
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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Man-Accused-With-Filing-Fake-Voter-Registration-Applications-399027631.html
Again, a charge, but no conviction and no illegal votes cast.
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If this is the kind of thing Trump is on about, I don't think we need to be too worried.

Amerika

I've always loved the 'just a little bit pregnant' defense regarding voter fraud.

How about this one... Where's there's smoke, there's fire?

Showing valid ID would help to end the problems.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

I've always loved the 'just a little bit pregnant' defense regarding voter fraud.

How about this one... Where's there's smoke, there's fire?

So back to the gun show loophole with that logic...

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

So back to the gun show loophole with that logic...

We keep going round and round on this one... The gun show loophole is a myth! You showed videos to try and prove it exists, but all it did was show someone broke the law, not that there is a loophole.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

We keep going round and round on this one... The gun show loophole is a myth! You showed videos to try and prove it exists, but all it did was show someone broke the law, not that there is a loophole.

But Amerika... we have documented cases where the gun show loophole has worked in action. There's the smoke. Therefore there is fire. Right?

FISMA.

Overheal wrote: »

So back to the gun show loophole with that logic...

Nice talking point, however, there is no loophole in federal law that specifically exempts gun show transactions from any other laws normally applied to gun sales.

Overheal

Smoke: Donald Trump supporter arrested on voter fraud charges at polls

http://huff.to/2f16tGM

Gatling

Is it true that some states you don't even need ID to vote

Fr Tod Umptious

Gatling wrote: »

Is it true that some states you don't even need ID to vote

Yes and Democrats believe that making it a requirement disenfranchises minorities

FISMA.

Gatling wrote: »

Is it true that some states you don't even need ID to vote

Yes. I have never been asked for any form of ID: passport, license, library card, credit card, phone bill...

Overheal

Oh apparently more smoke from Trump voters

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN12S213?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5813854004d30106e02830a2&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

oscarBravo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yes and Democrats believe that making it a requirement disenfranchises minorities

Actually, Democrats believe (with good reason) that voter ID laws are a transparent strategy to deliberately make it difficult for minorities to vote, with the figleaf excuse that it's necessary to prevent in-person voter fraud, which - to a useful approximation - is non-existent.

Hotblack Desiato

Gatling wrote: »

Is it true that some states you don't even need ID to vote

In Ireland you don't need ID to vote.

My name is URL

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

In Ireland you don't need ID to vote.

You do if you're asked for it

Hotblack Desiato

Few of the acceptable items count as "ID" and most of them don't have a photo.

Overheal

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Few of the acceptable items count as "ID" and most of them don't have a photo.

In one situation or two, conservative administrations wanted to allow their states to allow gun permits as ID, but not student IDs. Which given the two party politics of the era, is a bit on the nose..

Overheal

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politics/naacp-north-carolina-voting-registration-purge/index.html

The NAACP filed suit in federal court on Monday against the North Carolina State Board of Elections, arguing that state officials in at least three counties have canceled "thousands" of voter registrations.

Lawyers for the civil rights group say that boards of elections in Beaufort, Moore and Cumberland counties have canceled thousands of voter registrations after a small number of individuals challenged the registration of approximately 4,500 voters based "exclusively on mass mailings that were returned as undeliverable."
They argue the "en masse" cancellation was done in violation of the National Voter Registration Act that prohibits systemic voter removal programs within 90 days of a federal election and that it disproportionately targeted African-American voters.

The state claims it held individual hearings for each of the cancellations, which I find a bit incredible: that's a lot of hearings that the "citizen plaintiff" would have to be present for and the defendant not. Unless they used some kind of mass method of doing so, which would raise a legal challenge.

"A challenge validly entered will trigger a preliminary hearing, written notice to the affected voter and a full hearing on the merits before the appointed members of the county board of elections."

It will be interesting to see them rassle up proof they held 4,500 preliminary hearings and 4,500 full board hearings.

Amerika

oscarBravo wrote: »

Actually, Democrats believe (with good reason) that voter ID laws are a transparent strategy to deliberately make it difficult for minorities to vote, with the figleaf excuse that it's necessary to prevent in-person voter fraud, which - to a useful approximation - is non-existent.

Yet democrats believe in requiring valid ID in order to get any of their vaulted programs like Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps (which minorities also get), and more. Curiouser and Curiouser. Don’t you see the irony here? I think it’s apparent that voter fraud primarily helps democrats, and that’s the reason why they fight against anything that would help to stop it.

Funny, for something that doesn’t happen according to democrats, it sure seems to happen enough.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/01/stolen-forged-ballots-discovered-florida/

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Yet democrats believe in requiring valid ID in order to get any of their vaulted programs like social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and more. Curiouser and Curiouser.

Just about any time of the year you can go down to the SS office, etc. etc. and resolve issues of identity. Voting, which happens for one day every 2 years with hours-long lines and highly contentious political stakes is not the same kind of fruit.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Just about any time of the year you can go down to the SS office, etc. etc. and resolve issues of identity. Voting, which happens for one day every 2 years with hours-long lines and highly contentious political stakes is not the same kind of fruit.

I see. The problem is people don't know an election is ever coming up?