Prison officer killed in suspect dissident ambush

RMD

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1101/breaking18.html

No group has claimed responsibility but it's looking like it was dissident activity. I'd say it was quite likely the coalition of dissident groups that formed in recent months. I really hope this isn't the start of a new campaign, these mindless idiots realise nothing is going to change without the will of the majority. Hope whoever has done this is brought to justice and locked away to rot.

Death and Taxes

An absolutley sickening atrocity, certainly looks like it was dissidents (organized crime masking themselves in a political cause), car used had a Dublin reg.

walshb

Sickening act. I wonder was he specifically targeted, or was it a case of just get any prison officer?

junder

walshb wrote: »

Sickening act. I wonder was he specifically targeted, or was it a case of just get any prison officer?

This prison officer was a Protestant and an orange man, have dissidents just escalated the conflict into a sectarian one? Time will tell. I hope the family's call for no retaliation is respected

woodoo

junder wrote: »

This prison officer was a Protestant and an orange man, have dissidents just escalated the conflict into a sectarian one? Time will tell. I hope the family's call for no retaliation is respected

His wife did call for no retaliation. She obviously sees no sense in killing an innocent catholic in response to a killing by a group that doesn't have much support anyway.

junder

As somebody who works for the MOD in both a civilian and miltary capacity I will be viewing cars with Irish registrations with suspicion. Which my journey to and from work will be that bit more stressful

Chuck Stone

junder wrote: »

As somebody who works for the MOD in both a civilian and miltary capacity I will be viewing cars with Irish registrations with suspicion. Which my journey to and from work will be that bit more stressful

Is there a risk of you being targeted? I'd imagine a ROI reg is not an uncommon sight up north these days so that would be a head wrecker for you.

The vast majority of people signed up to the PP and GFA. What part of 'no more killing' do these gobshites not get?

junder

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Is there a risk of you being targeted? I'd imagine a ROI reg is not an uncommon sight up north these days so that would be a head wrecker for you.

The vast majority of people signed up to the PP and GFA. What part of 'no more killing' do these gobshites not get?

As it happens There and yes they could just as easy have used a car with northern Irish plates but they didn't they used one with Irish plates so natural human nature is going to make me a wary

Terrontress

junder wrote: »

As it happens There and yes they could just as easy have used a car with northern Irish plates but they didn't they used one with Irish plates so natural human nature is going to make me a wary

There are dual carriageways right from Dublin to both Thiepval and Palace Barracks. People are already coming up to buy cheap booze and tvs. I'd hazard a guess that petrol could soon be worth going North for.

If you suspect all Southern reg cars then you'll be so busy looking at something which poses no threat that you'll miss any genuine threat.

Chuck Stone

junder wrote: »

so natural human nature is going to make me a wary

Understandable.

GRMA

junder wrote: »

This prison officer was a Protestant and an orange man, have dissidents just escalated the conflict into a sectarian one? Time will tell. I hope the family's call for no retaliation is respected

Firstly I say I think what happened is disgraceful and should be condemning by everyone, which it has been really including in very strong terms by SF.


But how is it sectarian? He was killed because he was a prison officer who worked in Roe House, the republican landing. He was killed for that, not because he was a protestant. That's obvious I would have thought.

He was killed probably for the same reasons loyalists had when they killed the last PO to die before this man.

Stheno

GRMA wrote: »

Firstly I say I think what happened is disgraceful and should be condemning by everyone, which it has been really including in very strong terms by SF.


But how is it sectarian? He was killed because he was a prison officer who worked in Roe House, the republican landing. He was killed for that, not because he was a protestant. That's obvious I would have thought.

He was killed probably for the same reasons loyalists had when they killed the last PO to die before this man.

How do you know exactly why he was killed?

Mr.Micro

junder wrote: »

As somebody who works for the MOD in both a civilian and miltary capacity I will be viewing cars with Irish registrations with suspicion. Which my journey to and from work will be that bit more stressful

Nice to see someone so objective and biased on the job. It could have been any car, it just happened to be one from Dublin. These people clearly wanted to stoke up tensions by using a car from the south, it seems to have worked in some people's case.

murphaph

GRMA wrote: »

That's obvious I would have thought.

Nothing is obvious with these losers. Who knows what nonsense is running through their feeble minds.

junder

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Nice to see someone so objective and biased on the job. It could have been any car, it just happened to be one from Dublin. These people clearly wanted to stoke up tensions by using a car from the south, it seems to have worked in some people's case.

I said i would be wary, did'nt say i was going to run any car i see with irish plates of the road. perhaps you should try some objectivity yourself

Dubhlinner

If some unfortunate Catholic (or Protestant mistaken for one) gets murdered in retaliation to this I wonder will the IRA and their supporters accept they are indirectly responsible for it.

I am very concerned about this because the previous murders were committed on British army and police officers who happened to be RC. Mr Black was not only a Protestant but a member of the OO. With the summer that's in it tensions are gonna be very high

Mr.Micro

Dubhlinner wrote: »

If some unfortunate Catholic (or Protestant mistaken for one) gets murdered in retaliation to this I wonder will the IRA and their supporters accept they are indirectly responsible for it.

I am very concerned about this because the previous murders were committed on British army and police officers who happened to be RC. Mr Black was not only a Protestant but a member of the OO. With the summer that's in it tensions are gonna be very high

Summer has long gone, and any responsibility for murders lay at the hands of the individual evil people who carry them out. I do not see the purpose of broadening out blame or culpability to groups or organizations at this stage, as hopefully there will be no escalation or reprisals.

GRMA

Stheno wrote: »

How do you know exactly why he was killed?

It seems to be the reason offered by numerous journalists. As well as that it is pretty obvious, why else would they have killed him?

junder

GRMA wrote: »

It seems to be the reason offered by numerous journalists. As well as that it is pretty obvious, why else would they have killed him?

Dissidents main objective is to bring the army back on to the streets, to undermine the concept of 'normality' in Northern Ireland, so far they have failed to achieve this, maybe thier aim is to escalate the conflict by killing a Protestant under the guise of killing a prison officer, in the hope of provoking a reaction from loyalist paramiltarys, in this way they can pretend they have the high moral ground because they will say they only killed him because he was a prison officer

GRMA

junder wrote: »

Dissidents main objective is to bring the army back on to the streets, to undermine the concept of 'normality' in Northern Ireland, so far they have failed to achieve this, maybe thier aim is to escalate the conflict by killing a Protestant under the guise of killing a prison officer, in the hope of provoking a reaction from loyalist paramiltarys, in this way they can pretend they have the high moral ground because they will say they only killed him because he was a prison officer

This would be the loyalist paramilitaries who brutally murdered prison officers themselves?

Although you give us a good example of the loyalist paranoia. Your theory is nonsense. He was a PO who worked in the republican wing. How many catholics or nationalists work on the republican wing? I'd say its very few.

poeticseraphim

GRMA wrote: »

This would be the loyalist paramilitaries who brutally murdered prison officers themselves?

Although you give us a good example of the loyalist paranoia. Your theory is nonsense. He was a PO who worked in the republican wing. How many catholics or nationalists work on the republican wing? I'd say its very few.

Are you with SF?


Killing a police officer or prison officer because they are a PO is worse. It shows they have no respect for the law or due process. They are 'COP KILLERS'. They are more dangerous than usual criminals.

As well as that it is pretty obvious, why else would they have killed him?

Sickos like killing people. That is the reason. Even if he had done something terrible (which he did not according to most journalists he was a lovely man and fair in his job) but even if he had....the Killing was in vengeance ....outside of law ....they did it to enjoy it. That is all.


It is the darkest side of human nature. People use politics to justify many things from murder to systematic child rape in different countries. People who act outside the law spread lies and incite people to hatred.

If one has an issue with treatment by the authorities or a policy one has to go down the civilian route.

Only psychopaths take the law into their own hands.


It does not matter if he was killed for being a PO....that makes me fear them more....what if they try to kill Irish authority figures here again? Like Garda Gerry McCabe???


He was killed because he was a police officer doing his job too.

junder

GRMA wrote: »

This would be the loyalist paramilitaries who brutally murdered prison officers themselves?

Although you give us a good example of the loyalist paranoia. Your theory is nonsense. He was a PO who worked in the republican wing. How many catholics or nationalists work on the republican wing? I'd say its very few.

Hardly paranoia when a member of the loyalist / unionist community has been murdered moreover why turn this thread into a pissing contest about who was worse republican paramilitary or loyalist paramiltarys? Maybe I should use more simplistic language for you. Some bad men killed somebody yesterday day in the hope that it might provoke other bad men into retaliation. Happy now?

.jacksparrow.

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Are you with SF?


Killing a police officer or prison officer because they are a PO is worse. It shows they have no respect for the law or due process. They are 'COP KILLERS'. They are more dangerous than usual criminals.



Sickos like killing people. That is the reason. Even if he had done something terrible (which he did not according to most journalists he was a lovely man and fair in his job) but even if he had....the Killing was in vengeance ....outside of law ....they did it to enjoy it. That is all.


It is the darkest side of human nature. People use politics to justify many things from murder to systematic child rape in different countries. People who act outside the law spread lies and incite people to hatred.

If one has an issue with treatment by the authorities or a policy one has to go down the civilian route.

Only psychopaths take the law into their own hands.


It does not matter if he was killed for being a PO....that makes me fear them more....what if they try to kill Irish authority figures here again? Like Garda Gerry McCabe???


He was killed because he was a police officer doing his job too.

Oh come on,so someone who murders a police officer is more dangerous than someone who just murders a normal person?

Am I reading this right seriously,talk about sensationalism.

Murder is murder,there is no worst or better form.

.jacksparrow.

junder wrote: »

Hardly paranoia when a member of the loyalist / unionist community has been murdered moreover why turn this thread into a pissing contest about who was worse republican paramilitary or loyalist paramiltarys? Maybe I should use more simplistic language for you. Some bad men killed somebody yesterday day in the hope that it might provoke other bad men into retaliation. Happy now?

Why would the loyalists automatically jump to this conclusion?

Are they really sitting by waiting for a chance to hit back or something?

junder

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why would the loyalists automatically jump to this conclusion?

Are they really sitting by waiting for a chance to hit back or something?

Why wouldn't they jump to this conclusion? It's certinly a conclusion many others in the unionist / loyalist community have come to

The_Mask

This was a sectarian killing, he was killed not because of where he lived, where he worked, who he socialised with or what hobbies he had... he died because of his RELIGION. Northern Ireland is making a return to the days of the 80s & 90s :-/

.jacksparrow.

The loyalists didnt need murders by the nationlists to respond to. the narrative that loyalist only existed as a reaction to the IRA campiagn, or protectors of the loyalist community was always lies.
The loyalists were shooting catholics long before the IRA came on the scene in 69

The loyalist also attacked and burned out catholics in reaction to the peaceful and democratic expression of the civil rights movements. The loyalist have always acted in thier usual manner when they considered their position in the 6co to be under threat.

.jacksparrow.

The_Mask wrote: »

This was a sectarian killing, he was killed not because of where he lived, where he worked, who he socialised with or what hobbies he had... he died because of his RELIGION. Northern Ireland is making a return to the days of the 80s & 90s :-/

And you know this how exactly?seriously opinions like this doesn't help the situation.why are you turning it into a sectarian issue?

It's pretty known now he was murdered because of the situation in maghaberry,stop trying to start a sectarian spat here.

Oh wait Keith is that you surely not?

Son Of A Vidic

junder wrote: »

As somebody who works for the MOD in both a civilian and miltary capacity.

Which probably means that you don't.

junder wrote: »

I will be viewing cars with Irish registrations with suspicion.

Such naivety suggests to me that you definitely don't then. I'd be less worried about Southern registered cars and more concerned about the small, but hardcore group of fruitcakes, that seem to be entrenched in parts of Lurgan.

junder

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Which probably means that you don't.



Such naivety suggests to me that you definitely don't then. I'd be less worried about Southern registered cars and more concerned about the small, but hardcore group of fruitcakes, that seem to be entrenched in parts of Lurgan.

You think? Perhaps I should prove it to you, tell you where I work etc? Dead on. you think lurgan is the only dissident hotspot, and you call me naive? There is one quite close to where i work, As I already pointed in a previous post I said wary, ie cautious which does not mean panicking when I see a Irish registration plate.

pablomakaveli

junder wrote: »

Why wouldn't they jump to this conclusion? It's certinly a conclusion many others in the unionist / loyalist community have come to

It certainly seems like you want it to be about religion but if it was they could have found a much easier target. Logic dictates that he was targeted because he is a prison officer.