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Saorview PVR Box has arrived.
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The same happened for me too. I went into the timers menu and I can see the box intends recording the repeat of the Tuesday night's show which is at 6:10am on the Wednesday. Some boxes have the ability to record the show at a different time in case of recording conflicts, but I think in this case the information being sent over Saorview is linking the Monday show and the Wednesday am show together instead of the Monday and Tuesday nights, or so it seems.
Holidaysong can you confirm in the timers, and probably by now, that it did indeed record the am Wednesday repeat instead?
I would assume this would happen no matter which make of box was used.
I have sent an email to RedBeeMedia and Saorview explaining the issue, so I am holding my breadth for you. It's funny the contact email on Saorview's own site is wrong! http://www.saorview.ie/contact/ there should be no www just info@
I haven't been active on this section of boards for some time, but I received a PM about this particular issue on Series Linking on Vincent Browne on TV3.
Had a look at the EIT data just now and it seems that TV3/RedBee have reversed the Series and Programme CRIDs. Every episode entry (that I looked at) of Vincent Browne has the same Programme CRID /18178217 and the Series CRID is different on each entry. The programme makers or RedBee need to assign the Series CRID correctly. Programme CRIDs and the corresponding repeats overnight should be the same, but the next night's Programme CRID should be unique in order for the PVR to work properly. Garbage In / Garbage Out
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Red bee reported back to me:
They reckon their is no problem from their end. They enter the TV3 data into the database.
So can everyone with a box please check to see if Vincent Browne records series link correctly. If not I can contact Saorview/RTENL.
fat-tony can you check again the info for next weeks shows and see if it still is sending the wrong data?
@zg - I don't know what you reported to RedBee, but their reply, which you quoted, makes no sense. What "site" are they talking about? What specifications are incorrect?
It may well be the case that the data TV3 have given RedBee for the EIT data carried in the schedule stream is incorrect, but it is obvious that the series CRID and programme CRID were reversed on last week's data. For the coming week a subtle change has happened. The Vincent Browne Series CRID is now consistent, but the Programme CRID is unchanged from night to night, so the PVR may not record episodes it thinks it has recorded already (as @holidaysong is reporting). Here are snippets from the EIT data for Coronation Street Monday 11th at 19.30 and 20.30 (CRID info is correct):<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <DVB-T_Europe_722> <EventID Value="41771" Name="Coronation Street"> <StartTime String="11/03/2013 19:30:00"/> <Duration String="00:30:00"/> <RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/> <FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/> <Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="25"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventName String="Coronation Street"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventDescription String=""/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content"> <DescriptorLength Value="2"/> <ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/> <UserByte HValue="0x00"/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x76" Name="Content Identifier"> <DescriptorLength Value="21"/> <CRIDType HValue="0x31" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/50092089"/> ***Prog CRID *** </CRIDType> <CRIDType HValue="0x32" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/18298.2"/> ***Series CRID *** </CRIDType> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="241"/> <DescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <Text String="Katy ruins Ryan's date with Steph. Jason decides it's payback time for Karl. An emotional Sunita confides in Sophie. Director: Duncan Foster Starring: Georgia May Foote, Sol Heras, Tisha Merry, Ryan Thomas, John Michie, Shobna Gulati "/> </Descriptor><?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <DVB-T_Europe_722> <EventID Value="41773" Name="Coronation Street"> <StartTime String="11/03/2013 20:30:00"/> <Duration String="00:30:00"/> <RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/> <FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/> <Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="25"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventName String="Coronation Street"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventDescription String=""/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content"> <DescriptorLength Value="2"/> <ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/> <UserByte HValue="0x00"/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x76" Name="Content Identifier"> <DescriptorLength Value="21"/> <CRIDType HValue="0x31" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/50092093"/> *** different Prog CRID *** </CRIDType> <CRIDType HValue="0x32" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/18298.2"/> *** same Series CRID *** </CRIDType> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="254"/> <DescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <LastDescriptorNumber Value="1"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <Text String="An unsuspecting Chesney plans a romantic surprise for Katy. Stella gives Jason a telling off. Sally lies to avoid a night in with Gail. Director: Duncan Foster Starring: Sam Aston, Georgia May Foote, Michelle Collins, Ryan Thomas, Sally Dynevor, H"/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="18"/> <DescriptorNumber Value="1"/> <LastDescriptorNumber Value="1"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <Text String="elen Worth "/> </Descriptor> </EventID> </DVB-T_Europe_722>Now the EIT data for Vinnie Browne on 11th and 12th at 23:00 (Series CRID and Programme CRID don't change):<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <DVB-T_Europe_722> <EventID Value="41776" Name="Tonight with Vincent Browne"> <StartTime String="11/03/2013 23:00:00"/> <Duration String="01:05:00"/> <RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/> <FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/> <Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="35"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventName String="Tonight with Vincent Browne"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventDescription String=""/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content"> <DescriptorLength Value="2"/> <ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/> <UserByte HValue="0x00"/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x76" Name="Content Identifier"> <DescriptorLength Value="22"/> <CRIDType HValue="0x31" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/18178217"/> *** Programme CRID same as every episode last week !!! *** </CRIDType> <CRIDType HValue="0x32" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/48794299"/> *** Series CRID ** </CRIDType> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="149"/> <DescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <Text String="Vincent Browne tackles the toughest questions facing modern Ireland, debating both the main issues of the day and contemporary moral dilemmas."/> </Descriptor> </EventID> </DVB-T_Europe_722><?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <DVB-T_Europe_722> <EventID Value="41802" Name="Tonight with Vincent Browne"> <StartTime String="12/03/2013 23:00:00"/> <Duration String="01:05:00"/> <RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/> <FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/> <Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="35"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventName String="Tonight with Vincent Browne"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <EventDescription String=""/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content"> <DescriptorLength Value="2"/> <ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/> <UserByte HValue="0x00"/> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x76" Name="Content Identifier"> <DescriptorLength Value="22"/> <CRIDType HValue="0x31" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/18178217"/> *** Different Day but same Programme CRID *** </CRIDType> <CRIDType HValue="0x32" Name=" User Private"> <CRIDLocation Value="0" Name="Carried explicitly within descriptor"/> <CRID String="/48794299"/> *** Series CRID same as yesterday - correct! *** </CRIDType> </Descriptor> <Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event"> <DescriptorLength Value="149"/> <DescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/> <Language String="eng"/> <CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/> <Text String="Vincent Browne tackles the toughest questions facing modern Ireland, debating both the main issues of the day and contemporary moral dilemmas."/> </Descriptor> </EventID> </DVB-T_Europe_722>
The fact that RedBee don't see an issue with the inconsistent data TV3 were giving them last week and possibly earlier and that the Programme CRID data is unchanged from night to night is somewhat concerning. Normal sanity checks on the data should be being done by someone in the chain!
Now, who do I send the invoice for EIT analysis to? 0 -
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Finally got one of these two weeks ago, at the reduced price.
Get a dialogue box with 'Service list has been updated' every time it starts up which is slightly annoying.
UI isn't as good as a Humax but is way better than the Triax Saorview box I have.
No problems so far with recordings or playback.
Connected up the ethernet port earlier today - RTE Player trial works on the box! Press green, red, green to start it. It's not obvious how to exit, but pressing TV/Radio or channel up or down worked for me.
Picture on RTE Player is letterboxed (at least on Scart, haven't tested HDMI) but not as badly as on some smart TVs which have RTE Player. Hopefully this is something that will soon be sorted out, they're clearly still working on this and it's not the finished article.
One slight 'gotcha' with the box is that in low power standby it won't pass the UHF signal through the antenna out socket. That just meant I had to feed it from the Sky box instead of vice versa, as the Sky box is also feeding UHF (and a satellite channel) to another Saorview TV. If I had a Saorview TV as my main TV this would be pretty annoying as it would mean I couldn't watch TV unless the Walker box is turned on.
Edit: also it runs a bit hot after being left on for a few hours, but at the moment it's resting on top of a Freesat box
I'm going to have to put in another shelf in the TV unit so it can run cooler.
I thought the red LEDs would be annoying, but the box is a lot smaller than it looks in photographs so the LEDs are smaller too - not really obtrusive and they go off in standby, rather than showing the time or something.
The 'info' display is unnecessarily large, especially on a big TV. It takes up the lower third of the screen and is 100% opaque, I'd prefer if it was smaller, partially transparent and if I could set a shorter timeout for it to disappear. Again the Humax has got this right.
Some parts of the UI show a bit of interlace flicker on a CRT TV.
Slightly oddly (and unlike the Triax box and our other Saorview TV) it prefers Three Rock over Kippure even though Kippure is the stronger signal here. Doesn't really matter as you could get Saorview on the proverbial piece of wet string here.Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.
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