FF bounce back - WTF???

recylingbin

How are they any worse than FG?
At least with FF everyone was on the take. Now all jobs are farmed out to FGers.

ilovesleep

fishy fishy wrote: »

yes I'd say she knew what a recession was, and I'd say she is still waiting for it to arrive

The only thing she is waiting for to arrive is the fuel allowance.

Micky Dolenz

A national government is the way to go. Get the best people into areas that they know something about, irrespective of parties. When/if the country gets back on track, they can get back to party politics.

This will never happen. FF will no doubt be in power shortly, as there isn't an alturnative.

Overflow

I think its time for a complete reform, a Socialist Government perhaps...

Both Socialist Youth and the Socialist Party itself have as key policies the taking of economic power out of the hands of the bankers, speculators and wealthy industrialists and instead transfer that power to working-class people. The Socialist Party stands for public ownership and democratic economic planning of the key areas of economic activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Ireland)

They campaign against all the things people seem to complain about most:

Household tax, water & bin charges

I seriously think these people deserve more support.

Ghandee

CucaFace wrote: »

Ghandee you can answer also if you want?

I'll answer in my own opinion so.

CucaFace wrote: »

How is it interesting?

A thread about the rise in support for FFstarts , people complain about this , some meantion what other options are really out there?, Sine fein are obviously brought into the conversation as they are really the only large enough party never to have to come into power here, then their massive flaws are meantioned (thankfully) and the Sinners come on trying to defend murderers and scum bags by trying to deflect questions and proper accustaions away.

I'm not trying to defend any murderer or scumbags, as I do not currently know of any in the party, and I can say that honestly.

If, however you do, or suspect you do, I think you should take yourself to the nearest Garda or PSNI station and report what it is you know, or think you know regarding murders.

CucaFace wrote: »

Whats your take by the way on the way Sein Fein and their members won't condemn the killers of Garda McCabe?

An honest normal Irish man who one day got up to go to work and tried to do his duty when 2 IRA scum bags decided to rob a bank and shoot this man in cold blood???

What do you make of the way Gerry,Martin and Co still won't condemn this vile act?

I will admit than I am not fully up to speed with the muder of McCabe (I was in my late teens when this happened) but, afaik it was denounced/condemned by Sinn Fein at the time (open to correction)?

Regardless of Gerry Adams, or Martin McGuinness (The former, I do not believe is a good leader as it happens) condeming or not condeming (I believe SF as a party did however) I fully condem the killing of a member of An Garda Síochána, their can be no justification in the killing of a member of the Irish security forces IMO.

None.

ilovesleep

If ever any of ye want prove that FG are the same as FF (right, they had/have different agendas but they're all still greedy):

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1018/breaking1.html

Do you remember the fiscal referendum back in May/June of this year where a yes vote would get us a deal on the banking debt/crisis and we would get some sort of debt forgiveness, well, Enda lied.
Germany says no! A nice big fat fcuk you to Ireland.
Enda is a fcuking puppet for Germany. When will he realise he is supposed to work for us and not for Germany.

We saw the mess that FF did and the greed and corruption in their party and that they were rotten to the core and we kicked them out, hoping for change. Hoping that FG could deliver on a change. FF were in bed with bankers and developers. FG are in bed with Europe. They should be working for us.

fishy fishy

dont trust any of them. Believe me they are not going to change.

anyone who trusts a politician deserves everything they get.

geetar

Overflow wrote: »

I think its time for a complete reform, a Socialist Government perhaps...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Ireland)

They campaign against all the things people seem to complain about most:

Household tax, water & bin charges

I seriously think these people deserve more support.

the socialist party uses stupid buzz words like bondholders, household tax, and the IMF to gain support from the people most hurt by this recession.

they do not have any credible plans for economic recovery whatsoever. sinn fein and the socialist party would like you to believe you dont need the IMF, but they're completely wrong. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.

tha days of the blame game are over, we need to suck it up, shut up, and take our medicine

geetar

Ghandee wrote: »

their can be no justification in the killing of a member of the Irish security forces IMO.

None.

does that underlining emphasise that you think killing brittish security forces is acceptable behaviour? if so, sinn feins for you

dvpower

ilovesleep wrote: »

FG are in bed with Europe. They should be working for us.

Enda Kenny is in Europe as we speak attempting to negotiate a deal on the debt on our behalf.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1018/enda-kenny-eu-summit.html

fishy fishy

dvpower wrote: »

Enda Kenny is in Europe as we speak attempting to negotiate a deal on the debt on our behalf.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1018/enda-kenny-eu-summit.html

are you sure he's not over there getting tickled. :P

dvpower

geetar wrote: »

does that underlining emphasise that you think killing brittish security forces is acceptable behaviour? if so, sinn feins for you

British security forces and British children are apparently fair game.

Pompey Magnus

geetar wrote: »

does that underlining emphasise that you think killing brittish security forces is acceptable behaviour? if so, sinn feins for you

I'm pretty sure Sinn Fein don't support killing British security forces now that there is a stable peace and a working democracy up North, just as how the main parties in the Republic no longer supported the killing of members of the British (and Irish) security forces once a stable peace emerged after the War of Independence and the Civil War.

poeticseraphim

FF voters ha gone temporarily to SF rather than FG now they will vote for FF again rather than FG or Labour. The rise of FF coincides with a drop for SF. That is where these voters are coming from.

That is who they are ......goes to show you the type they are and that many SFers were probably FFers who got us into this.

I wonder what age demographic they are.


Yes this country is full of ill educated morons who can't even seem to sort their own personal finances out, elect people who fleece them and allow an institution guilty of hiding child rapists exist.

It is a dark ages folklore mentality. They are idiots.

Ghandee

geetar wrote: »

does that underlining emphasise that you think killing brittish security forces is acceptable behaviour? if so, sinn feins for you

Was/Is it acceptable for members of the British security forces to kill innocent civillians in the six counties, or indeed members of the IRA armed/unarmed?


Next, let me ask you where in Ireland you are from, and have you seen members of the RUC/British Army shoot unarmed people, who have had no connections any Political parties whatsoever?

Some of us came/come from a part of this Island where giving your name to a 'poloiceman' or a loyalist bully boy masquarading as a UDR soldier, while stopped at a 'security' checkpoint might very well mean your name, adress, car make, colour and registration was swiftly handed over to a member of a loyalist terrorist organisation in some back street seedy bar.

Unfortunately for some of us, being born of a certain religion automatically added us to a hitlist made up by drunken loyalists, to be shot for no other reason than your faith.

A war raged in the north for the guts of 50 years, killing were done on both sides. Kindly try to remind yourself that is all I ask.

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

Enda Kenny is in Europe as we speak attempting to negotiate a deal on the debt on our behalf.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1018/enda-kenny-eu-summit.html

I'd say that clown 'attempts' to tie his own shoe laces every morning.

Whats the odds he actually succeeds this time? :rolleyes:

CucaFace

Ghandee wrote: »

I'll answer in my own opinion so.





I'm not trying to defend any murderer or scumbags, as I do not currently know of any in the party, and I can say that honestly.

If, however you do, or suspect you do, I think you should take yourself to the nearest Garda or PSNI station and report what it is you know, or think you know regarding murders.



I will admit than I am not fully up to speed with the muder of McCabe (I was in my late teens when this happened) but, afaik it was denounced/condemned by Sinn Fein at the time (open to correction)?

Regardless of Gerry Adams, or Martin McGuinness (The former, I do not believe is a good leader as it happens) condeming or not condeming (I believe SF as a party did however) I fully condem the killing of a member of An Garda Síochána, their can be no justification in the killing of a member of the Irish security forces IMO.

None.

Sine Fein have never condemned this killing.

Martin Ferris has often had this put to him as he is actually from the same
Electorate where Garda McCabe was born and raised, ie Kerry North.

You should maybe watch the documentary that his widow did a few years ago about all this and the way Sein Fein have acted and got those 2 scum bags released under the good friday agreement.

It might open your eyes up to who Sein Fein really are.

Its funny when i see so many Sein Fein supporters crying out that all the bankers and politicians should be in jail, but yet have no problem with cold blooded murderers being left out of jail after serving very little time for killing a Garda.

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

British security forces and British children are apparently fair game.

I think you might find their was a lot more children killed from the 'other' side DV.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/rubberplasticbullet.htm

Will you acknowledge the deaths of kids from the British forces at all, or will you conveniently gloss over them?

Dont let the facts of a bad episode of our history get in the way of your good old anti-SF rants, must be a worrying time for an FG fanboy to see the whole little empire implode on yourselves barely 18 months into govt?

Ghandee

CucaFace wrote: »

Sine Fein have never condemned this killing.

Martin Ferris has often had this put to him as he is actually from the same
Electorate where Garda McCabe was born and raised, ie Kerry North.

You should maybe watch the documentary that his widow did a few years ago about all this and the way Sein Fein have acted and got those 2 scum bags released under the good friday agreement.

It might open your eyes up to who Sein Fein really are.

Its funny when i see so many Sein Fein supporters crying out that all the bankers and politicians should be in jail, but yet have no problem with cold blooded murderers being left out of jail after serving very little time for killing a Garda.

I dont feel the need for the completely over the top fonts, but I will give you a source that completely contradicts you.

SINN FÉIN presidential candidate and former republican paramilitary Martin McGuinness has “unreservedly” condemned the IRA killing of Det Garda Jerry McCabe in an attempted robbery at Adare, Co Limerick, in June, 1996.

“I unreservedly condemned the murder of Jerry McCabe,” he said in Dublin yesterday. “It was a terrible injustice on himself, on his wife, and on his family. It was a terrible, terrible tragedy and brought no credit whatsoever to Irish republicanism.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0921/1224304483527.html

A quick google brings up another source.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcguinness-does-uturn-to-condemn-mccabe-killers-2880476.html

Many more are there to see, but sure I'll let you go off in your own fantasy world.

Now. Where does that leave us?

Pherekydes

Ghandee wrote: »

I dont feel the need for the completely over the top fonts, but I will give you a source that completely contradicts you.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0921/1224304483527.html

A quick google brings up another source.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcguinness-does-uturn-to-condemn-mccabe-killers-2880476.html

Many more are there to see, but sure I'll let you go off in your own fantasy world.

Now. Where does that leave us?

In 2011. I wonder what prompted that?

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

I think you might find their was a lot more children killed from the 'other' side DV.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/rubberplasticbullet.htm

Will you acknowledge the deaths of kids from the British forces at all, or will you conveniently gloss over them?

Dont let the facts of a bad episode of our history get in the way of your good old anti-SF rants, must be a worrying time for an FG fanboy to see the whole little empire implode on yourselves barely 18 months into govt?

Ugh! Playing whataboutery over the dead bodies of murdered children.
Disgusting.

Pompey Magnus

dvpower wrote: »

Ugh! Playing whataboutery over the dead bodies of murdered children.
Disgusting.

Any more disgusting than you using those children to score cheap points on an internet forum against Sinn Fein? How many of those children could you name before making that point or did your concern only go as far as recognising that you could make use of them?

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

Ugh! Playing whataboutery over the dead bodies of murdered children.
Disgusting.

Are you taking the piss or what?

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British security forces and British children are apparently fair game.

You seem to be the person that originally brought children into the debate?

You're one seriously deluded person.

Ghandee

Pherekydes wrote: »

In 2011. I wonder what prompted that?

What prompted it is neither here nor there, he clearly condemned it, it completely contradicts what cucaface claimed.

No doubt he'll promptly rush on here to put that claim right, but I doubt it.

dvpower

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Any more disgusting than you using those children to score cheap points on an internet forum against Sinn Fein? How many of those children could you name before making that point or did your concern only go as far as recognising that you could make use of them?

I remember being on a peace rally in Dublin following the Warrington bombings. There were a group of people listening to some speakers call for peace.
Some SF members carrying hunger striker placards went to the front of the rally and faced - not the speakers - but the protesters, and stood staring directly at us in an intimidatory fashion.

So, yes - I remember them and I remember the contemporary SF reaction to their deaths. Things haven't changed much.

Ush1

It's because the electorate doesn't see the big picture at all....but they don't want to, they just want a traffic lights outside their estate.

Who gives a f*ck about NAMA when we have our traffic lights FF got us?

giles lynchwood

seven_eleven wrote: »

Irish people are morons thats why.

Opinion's are like Assholes.
Everybody has one.

Drakares

People seem very quick to bury the "idiot Irish".. Especially the Irish.

I, nor anyone I know or know well, would vote for FF again.

Solair

The problem is that Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are just too similar. I really don't feel that voting in FG as an alternative to FF is radical change. They're like chalk and more chalk as opposed to chalk and cheese.

It's more like butter and I can't believe it's not butter!

Meanwhile, the Greens imploded due to supporting things that they would normally have been in direct opposition to and Labour seems to be repeating that stunt in coalition.

I'm really not all that impressed with Labour in office so far. They're lacking backbone.

Sinn Fein's just too scary for a lot of people. I realise that they have moved on and that they are massively reformed and their new front bench is impressive. However, the old links to armed violence still linger around the party like a bad smell. Perhaps, if SF had relaunched entirely after the peace process and drawn a line under all those links and booted out those with links then they'd have been a real force in politics in the Republic. However, I think while that hangs over them, they're sort of stuck with that issue.

Meanwhile, the Socialist Party's too left for the majority of the population which is pretty centrist so it's not really an alternative for most voters.

and then you've got the ULA which is just too vague and lacking definition.

Then, the other problem is that the strings are being pulled by the Troika and the EU rather than by the Government parties, so it's rather hard to know what you're voting for to be perfectly honest.

It seems most of our policies are more about pleasing German tabloids than about doing anything meaningful for Ireland or the EU.

None of our politicians in Europe really impress me much. It's just one short-term decision followed by a disaster followed by another short-term decision followed by yet another disaster.

Something has to change!

The 21% are totally deluded if they think that voting for FF is that change though!
They must be gluttons for punishment or something.

Pottler

What people need to do is cop on a bit. It's not that anyone "Loves" FF or FG, it's that they are allied to them. How's that Pottler??, I hear you cry(ok, I don't, but you're getting it anyway).

Simply put, if your a FF business/family, and FF is in power, be it locally/Nationally, let the good times roll - on a personal and business level. That means to do with money, jobs, housing and contracts btw.


Then, crap and bejasus, FG get in, and all the FG "allied" people and businesses get the goodies/jobs/contracts/houses. So, when FF are in power, the FF families are aok. FG ones are struggling. Then it swaps.

And for the dim lad down the back, who is screeching about "that's just not how it is Pottler, you fool", sorry me old flower, but that's how it is. So, FF will ALWAYS have loads of support, as will to a lesser extent FG. When it turns pear shaped and they really feck the thing up and the other shower get in, they just wait in the long grass till the record changes. And so the dance goes on.:) Not so??? Really???;)