Heineken & Amlin Cup 2012/13 General Discussion

molloyjh · 12-10-2012 1:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

can't wait for the away game tbh.

What a team!

totallegend · 12-10-2012 2:07pm

Clermont Auvergne

Just FYI; the team line-ups are available here:
http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/heinekencup/fixtures/team_line_up.php

Irish interest:

Steenson, Whitten and Hayes for Exeter
Vas Artemyev for Northampton (OK, not actually Irish)
Tony Buckley for Sale, plus Cillian Willis on the bench.
Robin Copeland on the bench for Cardiff
Niall Morris starts on the wing for Leicester

bamboozle · 12-10-2012 2:58pm

Castre

totallegend wrote: »

Just FYI; the team line-ups are available here:
http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/heinekencup/fixtures/team_line_up.php

Irish interest:
Steenson, Whitten and Hayes for Exeter

Vas Artemyev for Northampton (OK, not actually Irish)

Tony Buckley for Sale, plus Cillian Willis on the bench.

Robin Copeland on the bench for Cardiff

Niall Morris starts on the wing for Leicester

Wannerburg starting for Castres against Ulster, Berquist starting for Biarritz, Tommy Seymour starting for Glasgow

strange seeing a Biarritz team without Yachvilli or Iardonarqauy starting

12-10-2012 4:20pm

The legal system rather than the rugby authorities should be dealing with that.

13-10-2012 8:57am

Castre

First incident isn't clear. Second is pretty clear towards the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZYpljlcVHk

Whatever about accusing him of gouging in the first incident, I can't see any indication of gouging in the second, which is what causes him to "flip out".

Tox56 · 13-10-2012 9:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

First incident isn't clear. Second is pretty clear towards the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZYpljlcVHk

Whatever about accusing him of gouging in the first incident, I can't see any indication of gouging in the second, which is what causes him to "flip out".

The coach said afterwards his eye was completely bloodshot, so there must have been some pretty severe gouging in there somewhere.

totallegend · 13-10-2012 9:21am

Clermont Auvergne

There's no indication of gouging in that incident anyway. A cheap shot off the ball but I don't see gouging. Throw the book at him

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2012 9:22am

Munster

Deleted User wrote: »

First incident isn't clear. Second is pretty clear towards the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZYpljlcVHk

Whatever about accusing him of gouging in the first incident, I can't see any indication of gouging in the second, which is what causes him to "flip out".

Who said the gouging happened during either of those incidents? Pretty sure they would've happened seperate to the bust ups.

13-10-2012 9:25am

Castre

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Who said the gouging happened during either of those incidents? Pretty sure they would've happened seperate to the bust ups.

The idea that he flipped out / reacted after being gouged is a little more understandable than what the video shows.

Heat of the moment, reactionary to severe pain and or helplessness causing him to strike out.

If he bullocked around the pitch for 3 minutes thinking that he was going to "get" the guy next chance he got, then that's pre-meditation and is far far more serious.

(example - sentences for ; cold blooded vs heat of the moment murder)

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2012 9:39am

Munster

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea that he flipped out / reacted after being gouged is a little more understandable than what the video shows.

Heat of the moment, reactionary to severe pain and or helplessness causing him to strike out.

If he bullocked around the pitch for 3 minutes thinking that he was going to "get" the guy next chance he got, then that's pre-meditation and is far far more serious.

(example - sentences for ; cold blooded vs heat of the moment murder)

It doesn't have to be either of those things.

If you spent the entirety of a game having your eyes poked you would get very wound up. Doesn't mean you are pre-meditating an attack on anyone. Then when you get clocked in the back of the head you flip out. Not because you've been planning to flip out, but because you're furious at what's been going on. The dig was the straw that broke the camel's mental state. Should he have kept his cool? Absolutely, but being able to accept a gouging is not a trait any rugby player should have to develop. You could see from just looking at his eye that something had gone on.

Chucky the tree · 13-10-2012 12:35pm

Was the ref told about gouging at all? I'd find it impossible to take Hazells excuse seriously if he claimed he was gouged repeatedly but never mentioned it to the ref or his captain.

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2012 12:43pm

Munster

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Was the ref told about gouging at all? I'd find it impossible to take Hazells excuse seriously if he claimed he was gouged repeatedly but never mentioned it to the ref or his captain.

Pretty sure Tindall said it to the ref a few times.

errlloyd · 13-10-2012 12:57pm

Munster

Do the three stars on the Toulon jersey indicate top 14 wins?

danthefan · 13-10-2012 1:23pm

Clermont Auvergne

totallegend wrote: »

There's no indication of gouging in that incident anyway. A cheap shot off the ball but I don't see gouging. Throw the book at him

Oh right, that's that so.

errlloyd · 13-10-2012 1:54pm

Munster

Tomkins scores for Sarries in Edinburgh.

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2012 4:13pm

Munster

Scarlets 13 - 6 Clermont

ray jay · 13-10-2012 4:17pm

Clermont Auvergne

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Scarlets 13 - 6 Clermont

It'll be some upset if Clermont lose. Between that and the current score in the Leinster match, it just shows the difficulty of this group.

P_1 · 13-10-2012 4:23pm

Castre

ray jay wrote: »

It'll be some upset if Clermont lose. Between that and the current score in the Leinster match, it just shows the difficulty of this group.

16-13 now and Scarlets down to 14 for the rest of the match

duckysauce · 13-10-2012 4:26pm

Connacht

pithater1 wrote: »

16-13 now and Scarlets down to 14 for the rest of the match

who got red ?

lologram · 13-10-2012 4:27pm

pithater1 wrote: »

16-13 now and Scarlets down to 14 for the rest of the match

Do you know what Stoddart did to earn those 2 yellows in the same half? Seems like he's let the team down massively

P_1 · 13-10-2012 4:27pm

Castre

duckysauce wrote: »

who got red ?

don't know, following it on b365,

ray jay · 13-10-2012 4:30pm

Clermont Auvergne

lologram wrote: »

Do you know what Stoddart did to earn those 2 yellows in the same half? Seems like he's let the team down massively

Absolutely, hard to see Scarlets getting anything from the match now.

lologram · 13-10-2012 4:44pm

ray jay wrote: »

Absolutely, hard to see Scarlets getting anything from the match now.

ERC website says CA penalty try. That's surely curtains for the scarlets just 1 minute into the 2nd half

P_1 · 13-10-2012 4:51pm

Castre

30 now, bp should be in the bag for clermont now

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2012 6:34pm

Munster

Biarritz missing loads but still look good. Very physical and organised

thomond2006 · 13-10-2012 6:58pm

Clermont Auvergne

I can't get over the Sarries result!

cgpg5 · 13-10-2012 7:19pm

Clermont Auvergne

Quins like a team possessed so far in second half!

Biarritz battling hard though

cgpg5 · 13-10-2012 7:31pm

Clermont Auvergne

Monye injured. Hopefully not serious, would be huge blow

cgpg5 · 13-10-2012 7:37pm

Clermont Auvergne

Try JTH. Some break by Care, he's been so lively all afternoon. Quins have been immense in the second half

Botica converts. What a game he's had!

33-13

Scioch · 13-10-2012 7:52pm

Munster

Bonus point for Quins.

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