Is It Illogical To Buy Saorview In the Border Regions?

reslfj

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Thanks Lars and Watty. Out of interest how much of the global T2 box market is in the UK right now?

http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/DVB-T_map.pdf

But I think the UK may in 2012 be a little over 50% of the total DVB-T2 marked, but this share will fall rapidly as the larger countries starts their DSO process.

Lars

mrdtv2010

Sam Russell wrote: »

If they join Nordig, they can drive it and the result will be a better standard. At the moment, they have a private standard, with its own idiocies.

It has produced a result and is scaling nicely which is what is needed for the economics.

watty

Unlike VHS vs Betamax,

The DVB-T2 is now part of Nordig.
Saorview approved DVB-T2 and DVB-T boxes work equally on Saorview.

It's not even clear that it was even open for Ireland to join D-Book, it's a private secret standard used only by the UK.

We are using an open standard. Hardware for DVB-T2 made to run D-Book software can meet Nordig easily. Having firmware complying with Nordig is simple if you have don D-Book firmware.

There are many known advantages in choosing Nordig. If it would even be possible to use the D-Book we would have no say, we might as well be Wales or Yorkshire. Nothing could be decided here, we would have no voice. We are an equal member in Nordig, a published open specification.

lawhec

reslfj wrote: »

The standard was published June 30, 2008 - only text changes and clarifications but no technical changes were added between the DVB.org version and the final ETSI standard EN-302755 v1.1.1 from September 9., 2009.

The problem is that until the DVB-T2 standards because finalised with the ETSI, there was no guarantee that no changes would be made in the standard up until that point which could render chipsets that had been produced have compatibility problems or even rendered useless. Once ETSI ratification was made, manufacturers could at least rely on a stable standard to start mass production. In saying that, the DVB-T2 process from drawing board to finalised standard has been fairly quick and painless compared to say DRM aka DRM30 which has taken so long for standards to be set that few manufacturers made DRM capable receivers and broadcasters are now cool on it after years of testing that DRM's promise has now fallen by the wayside.

It's a classic chicken & egg scenario - manufacturers won't create the components unless there is something for them to be sold for i.e. live transmissions, while broadcasters will be reluctant to use a standard that few viewers have the equipment to receive unless some intervention or promotion is given to entice such technology use.

Sponge Bob

reslfj wrote: »

But I think the UK may in 2012 be a little over 50% of the total DVB-T2 market, but this share will fall rapidly as the larger countries starts their DSO process.

The reason i asked was to ascertain the likely code base used to 'branch' off. If the UK is a large portion of the total market now then a lot of the T2 market in Europe will be UK based code 'branched' for the others for the next while.

This won't be the case for much longer now that India is going T2.

The Cush

watty wrote: »

In reality it was probably Autumn 2007 that MPEG4 only was decided on and first RTENL non-Dept transmission I think in Dec 2007 with the spec agreed with Dept PUBLISHED in March 2008

Comreg published the Irish DTT standard in early Nov 2007 followed by the Dept's min. receiver spec. in early Feb 2008.

Between the 2 events the BCI in developing it's commercial DTT licensing policy held a consultation forum chaired by John Bowman with various interested parties attending (TV3, TG4, Comreg, CEDA, Eircom, BT, Arqiva, Sky, Setanta, UPC, O2 and others) in late Nov 2007. The general consensus was that (DVB-T) MPEG-4 would be the best standard for Irish commercial DTT. DVB-T2 wasn't discussed.

Geuze

Based on info gleaned from this forum, I sent my parents into Currys in Navan, with the following request:

"We would like a TV with a Saorview tuner plus a DVB-T2 tuner to receive the Freeview HD signal from the north"

They hadn't a clue.

Nor had a shop in Kells.

So they bought a Toshiba, which I presume will receive the SD channels from the north.

STB

Geuze wrote: »

Based on info gleaned from this forum, I sent my parents into Currys in Navan, with the following request:

"We would like a TV with a Saorview tuner plus a DVB-T2 tuner to receive the Freeview HD signal from the north"

They hadn't a clue.

Nor had a shop in Kells.

So they bought a Toshiba, which I presume will receive the SD channels from the north.

If its a Toshiba **VL863 (**=Screen size) the it will do both Freeview HD and Saorview.

reboot

sesswhat wrote: »

If you are getting your channels from Freeview in NI, try again next week after 24th, when UTV and CH4 join the BBC channels on higher power.

Just to be clear,are we saying there will be an increase in power over the Tx,s that switched on 10th?or not.

formerly scottish paddy

reboot wrote: »

Just to be clear,are we saying there will be an increase in power over the Tx,s that switched on 10th?or not.

The BBC channels that switched on the 10th are at full power since then, the remaining Freeview PSB channels that switch on the 24th go to full power then (except the com muxes which will always be at lower power).

mrdtv2010

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

The BBC channels that switched on the 10th are at full power since then, the remaining Freeview PSB channels that switch on the 24th go to full power then (except the com muxes which will always be at lower power).

Wednesday 24th power levels for all NI transmitters:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/transmitternetwork/tools__and__resources/almanac/pdfs/DSOTx_Northern_Ireland_Jan12v2.0.pdf

reboot

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

The BBC channels that switched on the 10th are at full power since then, the remaining Freeview PSB channels that switch on the 24th go to full power then (except the com muxes which will always be at lower power).

Many thanks,that's what I thought.If I didn't see Divis on the 10th,I won't see it after the 24th from the Mournes.
However I will see CC in HD.So there Divis!Thanks again.

reboot

zg3409 wrote: »

So I suppose the next question is which TV works 100% with every feature in border areas on both Freeview HD and Saorview at least with the current broadcasts.

Think I have been posting for over a year now that my Sony Bravia has been working North and South .KDL-40EX403,and on another thread today again.PS I don't work for Sony,or sell anything.

mrdtv2010

reboot wrote: »

Many thanks,that's what I thought.If I didn't see Divis on the 10th,I won't see it after the 24th from the Mournes.
However I will see CC in HD.So there Divis!Thanks again.

Divis is pathological within the Mournes: that's why they have all those repeaters. BTW its now breaking that Freeview HD will carry BBC1NIHD, UTVHD from Wednesday but UTVHD won't be on satellite till Q1 2013 (via the new Astra 2F satellite.). But the NI repeaters all carry FreeviewHD from Wednesday.

reboot

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

Divis is pathological within the Mournes: that's why they have all those repeaters. BTW its now breaking that Freeview HD will carry BBC1NIHD, UTVHD from Wednesday but UTVHD won't be on satellite till Q1 2013 (via the new Astra 2F satellite.). But the NI repeaters all carry FreeviewHD from Wednesday.

Not to mix threads,but surely most boards folk just put ITV1 HD Freqs into "Other Channels" and don't watch UTV ads?

mrdtv2010

reboot wrote: »

Not to mix threads,but surely most boards folk just put ITV1 HD Freqs into "Other Channels" and don't watch UTV ads?

Exactly. But it depends on which box: Sky boxes can't tune a wide range of SR's whereas Freesat and FTA boxes can. The Sky boxes can't see the BBC1NI HD tests whereas the Freesat ones can. I am not convinced about the demarcation between platforms as I have multiple platforms: satellite, terrestrial and fibre for TV. And they interact as we now see... For now viewers will carry on watching ITV1HD via other channels in NI/ROI but that could change with Astra2F for Sky boxes....

reboot

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

Exactly. But it depends on which box: Sky boxes can't tune a wide range of SR's whereas Freesat and FTA boxes can. The Sky boxes can't see the BBC1NI HD tests whereas the Freesat ones can. I am not convinced about the demarcation between platforms as I have multiple platforms: satellite, terrestrial and fibre for TV. And they interact as we now see... For now viewers will carry on watching ITV1HD via other channels in NI/ROI but that could change with Astra2F for Sky boxes....

Think I would rather see Sky Atlantic, and Homeland (On RTE HD a week ahead of CH4 0n Sky,than BBC N.I God Bless them.

dellWlan

Geuze wrote: »

Based on info gleaned from this forum, I sent my parents into Currys in Navan, with the following request:

"We would like a TV with a Saorview tuner plus a DVB-T2 tuner to receive the Freeview HD signal from the north"

They hadn't a clue.

Nor had a shop in Kells.

So they bought a Toshiba, which I presume will receive the SD channels from the north.

So are your parents getting freeview? I guessing they're in kells.