Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

foxtrot101

monstermag wrote: »

The PPI awards are a bit like school sports day, every kid gets a meddle. Everyone who's anyone in broadcasting has a PPI award.

I agree, they're just industry awards, they don't even get much press coverage when they are announced.

dominatinMC

foxtrot101 wrote:

Despite the tone of this thread the shows JNLRs are doing just fine, still getting over twice the number of listeners as any other show on at that time. A Dave McIntyre presented show would tank.

I thought OTB didn't release their JNLR numbers. And it's not just the "tone of this thread", a lot of my friends have abandoned the show, and work colleagues frequently have a moan about OTB these days too. Maybe the JNLRs are still holding up (not sure how they're even measured) but there's no escaping the fact that the show isn't what it used to be.

PeterTheNinth

foxtrot101 wrote: »

Really? And who won the sports broadcaster of the year 2016?....Joe Molloy. And won it two years before that?...Joe Molloy.

There's very few full time sports broadcasters. Who is the competition? Game On on 2FM, a half baked attempt at a sports show..

Ol' Donie

dominatinMC wrote: »

Agree 100%. Nathan is the best of the bunch for me. Richie is okay, but I get the impression that he is very politically-correct and conforms with whatever populist views are out there. He is just better at concealing this trait than Ger or Joe.

On that point, what the hell has happened to Joe?? He used be really good, but has disintegrated into a parody at this stage. Someone needs to remind him that he is a sports broadcaster and not a current affairs one.

Very glad to read this so i know it's not just me. I used to think Joe was really strong as a presenter, but for whatever reason I'm finding himself and Ger quite hard to listen to now. It's a much more enjoyable show with Nathan or one of the others hosting.

foxtrot101

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

There's very few full time sports broadcasters. Who is the competition? Game On on 2FM, a half baked attempt at a sports show..

I wasn't making any great claims for the PPI awards or Joe. I was pointing out that OTB not winning the sports show award isn't really evidence of a decline, since it has happened often enough in the past and one of the presenters did win last year. In the only indicator that really does matter, the JNLRs, there is no evidence of a decline either.

Ol' Donie

It seems to me that every time I listen to OTB it's someone other than Ger or Joe presenting it.

Which, as I said, I'm okay with.

PeterTheNinth

Ol' Donie wrote: »

It seems to me that every time I listen to OTB it's someone other than Ger or Joe presenting it. Which, as I said, I'm okay with.

I thought that they were just taking their holidays, but I certainly agree that they both have been away quite a bit.

PeterTheNinth

I thought what they said in the paper review was significant. They said that for the other counties in Ireland the average investment per player was 20 euro, but for Dublin it was 220 euro. They also mentioned that Dublin have bought specialised software (that premiership clubs use) for tracking the performance of their players. I mean, how is that fair?

CatFromHue

One of the Mayo lads threw his GPS tracker at the ball when Rock was about to kick the winning point yesterday so it's not just Dublin who have tracking devices.

BPKS

CatFromHue wrote: »

One of the Mayo lads threw his GPS tracker at the ball when Rock was about to kick the winning point yesterday so it's not just Dublin who have tracking devices.

Every single county and even some clubs use the GPS trackers.

Beechwoodspark

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I thought what they said in the paper review was significant. They said that for the other counties in Ireland the average investment per player was 20 euro, but for Dublin it was 220 euro. They also mentioned that Dublin have bought specialised software (that premiership clubs use) for tracking the performance of their players. I mean, how is that fair?

Dublin have so much advantages over the rest of the counties that they have no excuses for not winning easily every year. I'm not trolling by the way-genuinely believe that.

Huge playing population.

Huge money ploughed in.

Great resources all located in a small geographical area. Best of everything provided.

Back room team looking after every possible area of the preparation and all headed up by the great Jim Gavin...it's no wonder he's so modest.

He knows well that the dubs should have no excuses.

OldMrBrennan83

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yosser hughes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Dublin have so much advantages over the rest of the counties that they have no excuses for not winning easily every year. I'm not trolling by the way-genuinely believe that.

Huge playing population.

Huge money ploughed in.

Great resources all located in a small geographical area. Best of everything provided.

Back room team looking after every possible area of the preparation and all headed up by the great Jim Gavin...it's no wonder he's so modest.

He knows well that the dubs should have no excuses.

How many rugby schools are there in Mayo?
How many soccer clubs?
How many tennis clubs?
Ther are vast swathes of Dublin that have no interest in GAA and don't have anything to do with it. People from other counties just do not get this.
I'm not from Dublin but have lived here for many years and I know loads of Dublin people who couldn't care less about GAA

jam17032010

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Dublin have so much advantages over the rest of the counties that they have no excuses for not winning easily every year. I'm not trolling by the way-genuinely believe that.

Huge playing population.

Huge money ploughed in.

Great resources all located in a small geographical area. Best of everything provided.

Back room team looking after every possible area of the preparation and all headed up by the great Jim Gavin...it's no wonder he's so modest.

He knows well that the dubs should have no excuses.

Home advantage for every meaningful game in the championship.

monstermag

The dog's on the street know managers are getting paid, l taught it was illegal?why don't OTB tackle this issue? It comes up now and again, but only in a jokey way. Can they not come straight out and ask the the like of Jim Gavin, Brian Cody, Stephen Rochford etc. Who's paying them? How much?

elefant

monstermag wrote: »

The dog's on the street know managers are getting paid, l taught it was illegal?why don't OTB tackle this issue? It comes up now and again, but only in a jokey way. Can they not come straight out and ask the the like of Jim Gavin, Brian Cody, Stephen Rochford etc. Who's paying them? How much?

This would be a very interesting investigation.

I don't think many GAA people have any problem with it, but the whole 'open secret' element to it is a joke. I would say a large percentage of senior clubs in Ireland have paid managers at this stage.

A similar issue is players getting straight-up paid to play in the US during the summer.

Raoul

elefant wrote: »

This would be a very interesting investigation.

I don't think many GAA people have any problem with it, but the whole 'open secret' element to it is a joke. I would say a large percentage of senior clubs in Ireland have paid managers at this stage.

A similar issue is players getting straight-up paid to play in the US during the summer.

Who pays them?

elefant

Raoul wrote: »

Who pays them?

Rich businessmen connected with American clubs.

dr.kenneth noisewater

monstermag wrote: »

The dog's on the street know managers are getting paid, l taught it was illegal?why don't OTB tackle this issue? It comes up now and again, but only in a jokey way.  Can they not come straight out and ask the the like of Jim Gavin, Brian Cody, Stephen Rochford etc. Who's paying them? How much?

Would love to see someone do it but I think after they asked 1 or 2 in an interview then others would refuse to appear on the show even if they arent getting paid(not all do imo) because its too much hassle and makes an interview very awkward

BPKS

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Would love to see someone do it but I think after they asked 1 or 2 in an interview then others would refuse to appear on the show even if they arent getting paid(not all do imo) because its too much hassle and makes an interview very awkward

It was like the comment a few years ago when they were looking for proof that these under the table payments were being made.

Not alone could they not find evidence of the payments, they couldnt find evidence of the tables.

Raoul

elefant wrote: »

Rich businessmen connected with American clubs.

I don't really see that as a problem.

elefant

Raoul wrote: »

I don't really see that as a problem.

I don't either, and I don't think most GAA fans do. But it is against the 'amateur ethos of the organisation' idea that gets thrown around so often.

Managers are paid, physios are paid, statisticians are paid, psychologists are paid, players are paid. We're not far from the point where it's becoming slightly disingenuous to say the GAA is an amateur sports organisation.

And yet, out of sight, out of mind.

Icemancometh

I was in the car earlier, and heard Joe Molloy being the most PC I think it is possible to be, when he referred to Cora Staunton as a taliswoman!

delaad

Icemancometh wrote: »

I was in the car earlier, and heard Joe Molloy being the most PC I think it is possible to be, when he referred to Cora Staunton as a taliswoman!

That's a gem,... but, to compound the idiocy, Joe obviously doesn't know that the "-man" bit does not refer to the male of the species. It simply arises from a botched Anglicisation of the original "talsam" and the later Greek "telesma".

A talsam/talisman is simply a magic charm or protection against harm, just like the old St Christopher medal!

Mind you, at least he didn't call her a tallieswoman, as Damien Lawlor might have.

Either way, I have to say great spot, an absolute classic piece of Molloy bumptiousness!

VW 1

delaad wrote:

A talsam/talisman is simply a magic charm or protection against harm, just like the old St Christopher medal!

And what philistine doesn't know the botched anglicisation of a derivative of a Greek work.

A miss by Joe indeed!

Arghus

Icemancometh wrote: »

I was in the car earlier, and heard Joe Molloy being the most PC I think it is possible to be, when he referred to Cora Staunton as a taliswoman!

Surely that's just a play on words by Joe. Let's not get over sensitive over Joe being over sensitive.

Icemancometh

Arghus wrote: »

Surely that's just a play on words by Joe. Let's not get over sensitive over Joe being over sensitive.

Ah I'm not offended, just amused:D

Jayesdiem

Joe is such a bag of douche. It was clearly deliberate PCness because otherwise he could have called her a 'great', an 'icon' etc etc

Tangentially the misunderstanding reminds me of Kathryn Thomas asking the "Great Irish Public" to vote (on some show), merely parroting the term "Great British Public" which we often hear on Great Britain TV. Nobody thought to tell Kathryn that our country is not known as 'Great Ireland' and in Britain the term is not a descriptor, but a name.

Blanco100

yosser hughes wrote: »

How many rugby schools are there in Mayo?
How many soccer clubs?
How many tennis clubs?
Ther are vast swathes of Dublin that have no interest in GAA and don't have anything to do with it. People from other counties just do not get this.
I'm not from Dublin but have lived here for many years and I know loads of Dublin people who couldn't care less about GAA

How many jobs are there in Mayo?

Investment, playing population, every game at croker are points people always use to point to a dubs advantage.

The massive advantage to me is that they have everything in close proximity to them. Those that work can be at training in the evenings probably 20 minutes from home. And comfortably in their own bed at night.

The amount of lads travelling 200km round trips and more 3 nights a week to train with club/county is the real divider. The fact that alot of county players from all provinces work in Dublin makes it harder for them to have a balanced life.

Ol' Donie

Wednesday Night Rugby.

Three words I f*ckin hate.*

*obviously I don't hate them but rugby talk on the radio just bores me to tears.