Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

Tell me how

dominatinMC wrote:

Of course, I agree it is a completely subjective matter. I actually used to really enjoy Joe but, as I posted earlier on this thread, I've found him a bit arrogant and pompous lately, and sometimes there is a sneering tone to his voice - particularly when he is challenged on something. Coupled to this is the fact that he is undoubtedly thin-skinned, and doesn't take criticism well at all (others have posted anecdotes providing evidence of this). These are not exactly enduring traits for a presenter.

It is very subjective. Agreed. I prefer Joe to EMcD too but that's not to say I think Eoin is bad.

I would argue with the undoubtedly thin-skinned part as I think he doesn't mind being challenged. I think he is willing to back up his opinion some see as being overly defensive, I see it as creating entertaining radio.

Everyone is sick of bland interviews of cliched statements and opinions with everyone saying the same thing.

CatFromHue

elefant wrote: »

Joe Molloy gets an awful hard time on here. Have I missed something about why people don't like him?

Seemed like a reasonable exchange to me, they both made good points.

I thought so too.

ballsymchugh

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Brian Kerr has forgotten more about football and football management than Molloy is ever going to know.

Joe did ask him about the israel match in dublin, about taking off a striker for a midfielder when 2-0 up, and brian disagreed. i'm pretty sure he brought on graham kavanagh for robbie keane. brian has forgotten that bit.

as for the criticism that joe is getting, i think it goes back to martin o'neill's comments before the euros about going to the superbowl with roy keane, and the absolute and complete overkill there was on it for days afterwards, and then analysing the apology and whether it was good enough. it was done to death, before being resurrected and and done to death again.

people were texting in asking them to move on, but they kept going on about how important it was to keep the story going. there's only so much that can be said on it, and it was all done within 30 minutes of the first day.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Was disappointed they didnt ask Kerr about the Mark Kennedy interview

enzo roco

elefant wrote: »

Joe Molloy gets an awful hard time on here. Have I missed something about why people don't like him? .

I think Joe is a very good presenter.
My only complaint is that sometimes he talks so quietly, nearly whispering.

Conservative

I've been usually pretty positive about Joe Molloy but the Martin O'Neill/Trump stuff makes Chris Donoghue look like a member of the alt right.

I happen to completely disagree with him on these things so probably clouds my judgement. I can't knock his preparation or interviewing skills though.

yosser hughes

Conservative wrote: »

I've been usually pretty positive about Joe Molloy but the Martin O'Neill/Trump stuff makes Chris Donoghue look like a member of the alt right.

I happen to completely disagree with him on these things so probably clouds my judgement. I can't knock his preparation or interviewing skills though.

Let's not forget his pathetic rant about Darren Clarke .
:rolleyes:

OldMrBrennan83

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redbuck

Joe getting wound up again tonight ha!

CatFromHue

What happened tonight?

redbuck

CatFromHue wrote: »

What happened tonight?

Carried on the Ranieri debate with Kilbane and Barry against him. He was getting hot under the collar.

rufuseric82

Patww79 wrote: »

Finally got listening to the Newspaper review. Couldn't see a big pile wrong with the way Joe came across, explained his points clearly. Kerr didn't make it easy by talking over him constantly.

In fairness, Kerr is the guest- he's the one we want to listen to. Joe is entitled to offer his opinion but sometimes forgets that he is not the expert.

PeterTheNinth

I'll give another vote for Joe (over McDevitt). I've always liked Joe, but I find him increasingly painful at times when he brings his populist politics in to things. Like the time he started giving out to footballers for not wearing coloured laces in support of some cause. He is certainly good but, like McDevitt, risks becoming too big for his boots.

lawred2

Anyone out there find Gavin Cummiskey's fan boy wet patch for Irish rugby players just a little too much?

snotboogie

lawred2 wrote: »

Anyone out there find Gavin Cummiskey's fan boy wet patch for Irish rugby players just a little too much?

learning from the best Irish Times

lawred2

snotboogie wrote: »

learning from the best Irish Times

funnily enough I don't mind Gerry too much.. sure he is guilty of waxing lyrical sometimes but Cummiskey sounds too much like a teenager with pictures on his bedroom wall..

Conservative

Very homo-erotic sound to Gerry Thornley's analysis for sure.

Loafing Oaf

Really annoys when they spend 5 minutes regurgitating an entire newspaper article. I can read the paper meself lads:(

gordongekko

Jesus Gilroy on his soap box is just annoying

Utopia Parkway

gordongekko wrote: »

Jesus Gilroy on his soap box is just annoying

What's at him now?

Some amount of pontificating being done these days between himself and Joe.

gordongekko

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

What's at him now?

Some amount of pontificating being done these days between himself and Joe.

About 10 minutes waffling on about Trump. Then spend 5 minutes with a waffly introduction about how great the next guest was but never said what he was on to talk about

IUA14

gordongekko wrote: »

Jesus Gilroy on his soap box is just annoying

I heard it on the drive home and knew someone would be on moaning about it...they are allowed given an opinion lads...fair game to comment on a story Rory brought back into the news today, by talking about it again and trying to explain his logic, and give their views on it...just like you are allowed to give an opinion here...enough bloody broadcasters out there to sit on the fence over everything...

gordongekko

IUA14 wrote: »

I heard it on the drive home and knew someone would be on moaning about it...they are allowed given an opinion lads...fair game to comment on a story Rory brought back into the news today, by talking about it again and trying to explain his logic, and give their views on it...just like you are allowed to give an opinion here...enough bloody broadcasters out there to sit on the fence over everything...

Its a sports show not a political ranting show. I listen to seasoned political analysts for my trump rants and I listen to Off The Ball for sports. If he wants to do the political waffle let him off to some other show.

IUA14

gordongekko wrote: »

Its a sports show not a political ranting show. I listen to seasoned political analysts for my trump rants and I listen to Off The Ball for sports. If he wants to do the political waffle let him off to some other show.

Crazily enough the two worlds can intersect...Rory and Trump golfing and it being a story worldwide on sports shows and in print...the drugs scandal in athletics and cycling currently being examined by UK government...they are not always mutually exclusive and if they cover something they are going to give an opinion...just like they do when talking about the game at the weekend...don't get the moaning about it...

Tell me how

gordongekko wrote:

Its a sports show not a political ranting show. I listen to seasoned political analysts for my trump rants and I listen to Off The Ball for sports. If he wants to do the political waffle let him off to some other show.

It was a discussion relating to a sports stars behaviour in a political environment. Entirely acceptable in a magazine show such as OTB in my view.

If you just want the core sports news, you only need 2 minutes after the news and before the weather.

yosser hughes

IUA14 wrote: »

Crazily enough the two worlds can intersect...Rory and Trump golfing and it being a story worldwide on sports shows and in print...the drugs scandal in athletics and cycling currently being examined by UK government...they are not always mutually exclusive and if they cover something they are going to give an opinion...just like they do when talking about the game at the weekend...don't get the moaning about it...

Nah. Both Off The Ball and Second captains are classic examples of the products of a liberal arts education in Ireland. Almost all, if not every single one of them have a left leaning,liberal outlook.There is nothing wrong in that in itself; but it does get boring when it is the ONLY view presented. They and most of their media colleague's hysteria of anything Trump related is tiresome at this point.
Do OTB think they have something extra to add? Does Ken Early either for that matter? I don't think they do. I have very little time or respect for their opinions on politics. Mainly because I don't think they are well informed or come from a place of objective journalism.That goes for most of the journalists in this country, both news and sports. There are very few dissenting voices in this ocean of conformity.Compare to the U.K.
They are sports journalists, and that's what they are good at, well most of them anyway. They really should stick to that.Their tired and weary listeners will appreciate them all the more for it.

gordongekko

IUA14 wrote: »

Crazily enough the two worlds can intersect...Rory and Trump golfing and it being a story worldwide on sports shows and in print...the drugs scandal in athletics and cycling currently being examined by UK government...they are not always mutually exclusive and if they cover something they are going to give an opinion...just like they do when talking about the game at the weekend...don't get the moaning about it...

Tell me how wrote: »

It was a discussion relating to a sports stars behaviour in a political environment. Entirely acceptable in a magazine show such as OTB in my view.

If you just want the core sports news, you only need 2 minutes after the news and before the weather.

But he wasnt talking about the sports aspect of it. He was having a rant for the sake of having a rant. Its not like its a show that takes a moral stand on issues itself. If it did it wouldnt accept sponsorship from Drink companies or Gambling companies but they dont see them ranting about the issues caused by drink or gambling.

IUA14

yosser hughes wrote: »

Nah. Both Off The Ball and Second captains are classic examples of the products of a liberal arts education in Ireland. Almost all, if not every single one of them have a left leaning,liberal outlook.There is nothing wrong in that in itself; but it does get boring when it is the ONLY view presented. They and most of their media colleague's hysteria of anything Trump related is tiresome at this point.
Do OTB think they have something extra to add? Does Ken Early either for that matter? I don't think they do. I have very little time or respect for their opinions on politics. Mainly because I don't think they are well informed or come from a place of objective journalism.That goes for most of the journalists in this country, both news and sports. There are very few dissenting voices in this ocean of conformity.Compare to the U.K.
They are sports journalists, and that's what they are good at, well most of them anyway. They really should stick to that.Their tired and weary listeners will appreciate them all the more for it.

I'll reiterate my point above...they are not always separate, there is cross-over and to ignore it would be idiotic. I'd rather not bring this thread into a discussion about right wingers/UKIP etc. If you want a non-liberal view there are plenty of places to find it with our technologically evolved world today. Its a show thread and all they did was discuss a story that came up today in a sporting contest, Rory's interview where he discussed his round of GOLF with Trump and they commented on it. Was 5 mins of a 3 hours show.

IUA14

gordongekko wrote: »

But he wasnt talking about the sports aspect of it. He was having a rant for the sake of having a rant. Its not like its a show that takes a moral stand on issues itself. If it did it wouldnt accept sponsorship from Drink companies or Gambling companies but they dont see them ranting about the issues caused by drink or gambling.

They discussed Rory's interview...one of Irleland's biggest, if not the biggest, sports stars...and discussed what he said and their opinions on what he said, I really don't see the problem on it. They have often discussed the issues surrounding drink and gambling in sport....in fact both in the last week...last night they discussed the George Best documentary and referenced how alcohol cut short his phenomenal talent...gambling came up last week discussing the Sutton United keeper.

yosser hughes

IUA14 wrote: »

I'll reiterate my point above...they are not always separate, there is cross-over and to ignore it would be idiotic. I'd rather not bring this thread into a discussion about right wingers/UKIP etc. If you want a non-liberal view there are plenty of places to find it with our technologically evolved world today. Its a show thread and all they did was discuss a story that came up today in a sporting contest, Rory's interview where he discussed his round of GOLF with Trump and they commented on it. Was 5 mins of a 3 hours show.

But it's not 5 minutes though is it? They have already gone in to this previously. Joe went in to a meltdown about it.
Yes sport and politics collide but this is overkill on a nothing story. They are making it a story.It is only because he played a round with Trump.
It's ridiculous. I don't expect you to admit I have a point, nobody ever does that on the internet. You've taken your position and that's that.
Spare me from people who cannot think critically or independently.
The ironic thing is, most of these guys would consider themselves as 'edgy' which is laughable considering how conformist they really are.
Filter bubbles like this will kill independent thought.