J4/J5 Season 2012/13

Gracelessly Tom

Thought I'd start a new one up for the coming season. Sections were announced today, fixtures should hopefully follow tomorrow........

J4 League – Make-up of Various Sections

The entries for the J4 League have been confirmed, other than one club we are waiting on. There are 33 or 34 teams participating and they have been divided in three Sections with eight teams in Sections “A” and “C” (seven in “C” if the team we are waiting on doesn’t take part) while the remaining 18 teams are in Section “B”. The Sections have been divided largely on finishing positions from last season. Fixtures should be issued tomorrow.

Section “A” and “C” will be played on a home and away basis between each of the teams in their respective Sections.

Section “B” will be played over two phases with the teams initially split into three 6-team Pools in Phase 1. The top two teams in each Pool will then qualify for Division 1 in Phase 2, the middle two teams in each Pool will go into Division 2 and the bottom two teams in each Pool will be placed in Division 3.

SECTION “A”

Section “A” will comprise eight teams that will play each other team home and away.

Terenure College “A”

Wanderers

St Marys College “A”

NUIM Barnhall “A”

Lansdowne

Old Belvedere

Clontarf
Blackrock

SECTION “B”

Section “B” will be made up of the three 6-team Pools in the table below. The teams in each Pool will play each other once in Phase 1. In Phase 2 the top two teams from each Pool will play in Division 1, the next two finishers in each Pool will play in Division 3 and the bottom two teams from each Pool will play in Division 3. These Divisions will be played on a home and away basis.

POOL 1
Coolmine
UCD
Guinness
De La Salle Palmerston
CYM
Terenure College “B”

POOL 2
Clondalkin
Seapoint
NUIM Barnhall “B”
Dublin University
Swords
Greystones


POOL 3
Stillorgan
AIB
Navan
Newbridge
Bective Rangers
Parkmore

SECTION “C”

Section “C” will comprise eight teams (or seven) that will play each other team home and away.

Tallaght
Millmount House
Unidare
Malahide
St Mary’s College “B”
Railway Union
RCSI
AN Other – if they confirm participation

Gracelessly Tom

Just realised I forgot the J5 section! Apologies......

J5 League – Participating Teams

The entries for the J5 League have been confirmed. There are ten teams and the League will be played on a home and away basis. The ten participants are:

· Normans (from Kilkenny)
· Bective Rangers
· Clondalkin
· Clontarf
· De la Salle Palmerston
· Stillorgan
· Emerald Warriors
· St Marys College
· Terenure College (new team, the team that won the J5 League last season is now Terenure College “B” in the J4 League)
· Monkstown

The fixtures will be issued tomorrow.

Please remember that the J5 League is primarily a development League. Scrummaging is not compulsory in the J5 League.

norrie rugger

How are the Terenure B team in section B?

dregin

norrie rugger wrote: »

How are the Terenure B team in section B?

Seems strange that they just leap frogged section C. Would have thought they'd be replacing Normans.

Pudsy33

As far as I am aware Tallaght are playing j5 this year?

Theta

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As far as I am aware Tallaght are playing j5 this year?

I thought so too, Clontarf have a j5 friendly against them this weekend

Pudsy33

Theta wrote: »

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As far as I am aware Tallaght are playing j5 this year?

I thought so too, Clontarf have a j5 friendly against them this weekend

My club don't know what division we're in, great

Millem

Big number of teams in the J5 this year. Should make things quite competitive - 18 matches over the season. Will really test the depth of squads. Can't wait to get started !!

Heroditas

36 teams in J4. Holy God!
There was barely a third of that number in that division less than 10 years ago. Certainly shows that there's been a bit of a revival in the Junior ranks.
I wonder how much longer it'll be before they just recategorise the various divisions as J6, J7 etc.

cmdrpaddy

Heroditas wrote: »

36 teams in J4. Holy God!
There was barely a third of that number in that division less than 10 years ago. Certainly shows that there's been a bit of a revival in the Junior ranks.
I wonder how much longer it'll be before they just recategorise the various divisions as J6, J7 etc.

J2 at the minute is being dominated by 3 or 4 massively overpowered clubs with most of the others barely getting close and with J3 games on Sundays I'd imagine a good few players have opted for Saturday matches at J4 where they have a chance of winning.

There's not much difference between some of the top end J4 teams and some of the J2 teams I saw playing last year.

Millem

I was wrong about the J5 setup. It's like this for the season:

The J5 League will be comprised of 12 teams and a “Super Six” structure will apply here. The teams in each Pool will play each other once in Phase 1. In Phase 2 the top three teams from each Pool will play in Section “A” and the bottom three teams from each Pool will play in Section “B”. These Divisions will be played on a home and away basis.
 

POOL 1

POOL 2

Normans

Bective Rangers

Clondalkin

Clontarf

Terenure College

Railway Union

Tallaght

Monkstown

St Marys College

Stillorgan

Emerald Warriors

De La Salle Palmerston

Luckycharm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As far as I am aware Tallaght are playing j5 this year?

Surely that is not their first team? They were decent J4 team a couple of years ago have they moved to LL/J3?

Pudsy33

Luckycharm wrote: »

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As far as I am aware Tallaght are playing j5 this year?

Surely that is not their first team? They were decent J4 team a couple of years ago have they moved to LL/J3?

That's correct, it's a second team playing j5

Eoin

I've just heard from someone in the club that the format has changed again for J4! Apparently we have 8 teams in our pool.

keano007

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Just realised I forgot the J5 section! Apologies......

J5 League – Participating Teams

The entries for the J5 League have been confirmed. There are ten teams and the League will be played on a home and away basis. The ten participants are:

· Normans (from Kilkenny)
· Bective Rangers
· Clondalkin
· Clontarf
· De la Salle Palmerston
· Stillorgan
· Emerald Warriors
· St Marys College
· Terenure College (new team, the team that won the J5 League last season is now Terenure College “B” in the J4 League)
· Monkstown

The fixtures will be issued tomorrow.

Please remember that the J5 League is primarily a development League. Scrummaging is not compulsory in the J5 League.

I'm looking at getting playing J5. Can anyone tell me is stillorgan or bective the better club to join. Both are close enough to me I live in ballsbridge. And also would it be to late to get involved in say 3-4 weeks time. I have an injury at the minute.

ormond lad

keano007 wrote: »

I'm looking at getting playing J5. Can anyone tell me is stillorgan or bective the better club to join. Both are close enough to me I live in ballsbridge. And also would it be to late to get involved in say 3-4 weeks time. I have an injury at the minute.

either club will be good to join. Fairly sure there is a member or two here who are involved with stillorglin if you need further info. both will welcome you with open arms
Season will have started and a few games will have been played but it wouldnt be too late at all. there will be plenty of games afterwards

Millem

I'm started with Stillorgan 2 years ago, and it's absolutely brilliant. Really sound, welcoming bunch of lads, no BS. Have played against bective on a number of occasions and they're good lads too.

Come down and give Stillorgan a try on Tuesday - training starts at 7.15pm at bird avenue.

J4 score today was Seapoint 10 - 26 Stillorgan (friendly)

AG2R

anyone have the fixture list....

Pudsy33

AG2R wrote: »

anyone have the fixture list....

Don't think it's out yet

stephen_n

keano007 wrote: »

I'm looking at getting playing J5. Can anyone tell me is stillorgan or bective the better club to join. Both are close enough to me I live in ballsbridge. And also would it be to late to get involved in say 3-4 weeks time. I have an injury at the minute.

Ballsbridge gives you a fair choice of clubs close by of which stillorgan is probably the furthest away. However for someone starting out, I have only ever heard good things about stillorgan and how friendly and welcoming it is as a club. Not saying the others aren't but my recommendation would be stillorgan if you drive!

Eoin

Just got a call from someone in the club - it looks like there's no phase 1 and 2; it's a straightforward home and away league for the entire season. Fixtures should be up shortly.

Gracelessly Tom

Fixtures have been released but not up on the Leinster site as of yet. Not going to post them here, there's far too many and I don't fancy holding the record for longest post ever!

cmdrpaddy

The pools also seem to have been changed.

To be honest I can't see either Seapoint or UCD being happy with being in section C, even if it is just a name.

Eoin

They're up now on the Leinster Branch site:

J4 Section A:
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/56891/section_a

J4 Section B:
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/56893/section_b

J4 Section C:
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/56899/section_c

J4 Section
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/56901/section_d

J5 Super Six (Pool 1):
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/56989/pool1

J5 Super Six (Pool 2):
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Heroditas

Quite a few local derbies in J4 Section D!

stephen_n

J5 League - Super Six (Phase 1) - Pool 1

Clondalkin
Emerald Warriors
Normans
St Marys College
Tallaght
Terenure College

Saturday 6th October 2012
Clondalkin v St Marys College Gordon Park Kingswood 15:00
Tallaght v Normans Tymon Park 15:00
Terenure College v Emerald Warriors Lakelands Park 15:00

Saturday 20th October 2012
Emerald Warriors v Clondalkin Suttonians RFC 15:00
Normans v Terenure College Sprtsground Knocktopher Kilkenny 15:00
St Marys College v Tallaght Templeville Rd 15:00

Saturday 3rd November 2012
Clondalkin v Normans Gordon Park Kingswood 14:30
St Marys College v Emerald Warriors Templeville Rd 14:30
Tallaght v Terenure College Tymon Park 14:30

Saturday 10th November 2012
Clondalkin v Tallaght Gordon Park Kingswood 13:30
Emerald Warriors v Normans Suttonians RFC 13:30
Terenure College v St Marys College Lakelands Park 13:30

Saturday 17th November 2012
Normans v St Marys College Sprtsground Knocktopher Kilkenny 14:30
Tallaght v Emerald Warriors Tymon Park 14:30
Terenure College v Clondalkin Lakelands Park 14:30


J5 League - Super Six (Phase 1) - Pool 2

Bective Rangers
Clontarf
De La Salle Palmerston
Monkstown
Railway Union
Stillorgan

Saturday 6th October 2012
Bective Rangers v Clontarf Ballycorus Rd 15:00
De La Salle Palmerston v Monkstown Kirwan Park 15:00
Stillorgan v Railway Union CUS Sportsground Clonskeagh 15:00

Saturday 20th October 2012
Clontarf v Stillorgan Castle Avenue 15:00
Monkstown v Bective Rangers Sydney Parade 15:00
Railway Union v De La Salle Palmerston Park Avenue 15:00

Saturday 3rd November 2012
Bective Rangers v Railway Union Ballycorus Rd 14:30
Clontarf v Monkstown Castle Avenue 14:30
Stillorgan v De La Salle Palmerston CUS Sportsground Clonskeagh 14:30

Saturday 10th November 2012
Bective Rangers v Stillorgan Ballycorus Rd 13:30
De La Salle Palmerston v Clontarf Kirwan Park 13:30
Monkstown v Railway Union Sydney Parade 13:30

Saturday 17th November 2012
De La Salle Palmerston v Bective Rangers Kirwan Park 14:30
Railway Union v Clontarf Park Avenue 14:30
Stillorgan v Monkstown CUS Sportsground Clonskeagh 14:30

AG2R

Normans to kick off the season so

Guy:Incognito

Presumably the games on the 6th will be brought forward to about 1 kick off? Leinster game is at half 5 isnt it?

EDIT 6:30. Not so bad .

AG2R

Half 6 ko I think but yeah I say it'll be changed to 1

ColmH81

cmdrpaddy wrote: »

The pools also seem to have been changed.

To be honest I can't see either Seapoint or UCD being happy with being in section C, even if it is just a name.

I don't think the section name has too much of a bearing on the level of rugby.. Looking at Section C, it's the closest league I've seen in years.. There's no games you could look at and say "we'll win that one"...

Pudsy33

AG2R wrote: »

Normans to kick off the season so

Tough aul group for Tallaght. Gonna need to beat one of the big teams to have a chance.

AG2R

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Tough aul group for Tallaght. Gonna need to beat one of the big teams to have a chance.

Sure we thrive under the pressure

Theta

AG2R wrote: »

Sure we thrive under the pressure

Good game on Saturday, apart from the heat!

Gracelessly Tom

St Marys preseason results....

J4 - Won v Tallaght 38-7 and lost v Terenure 19-15 (both games away)
J5 - Won v Tallaght 35-14 and lost v Terenure 29-0 (both games away)

Any other pre-season results?

Theta

Clontarf J5 V Tallaght J5 Won 30 - 0
Clontarf J4 V Tallaght J4 Lost (Not sure of the score)

Pudsy33

Theta wrote: »

Clontarf J5 V Tallaght J5 Won 30 - 0
Clontarf J4 V Tallaght J4 Lost (Not sure of the score)

It was 5 tries to 3 in the j4 game, but have no idea of the actual score.

AG2R

Pudsy33 wrote: »

It was 5 tries to 3 in the j4 game, but have no idea of the actual score.

31-12 according to our website

omb0wyn5ehpij9

J4: Stillorgan 25 - 10 Seapoint

chris85

Well drilled Tallaght j4 team there was against Clontarf. Their j5 weren't great though. Clontarf j5 have Stillorgan this weekend.

dregin

Unidare J4
Unidare V Parkmore 17-10
Clondalkin V Unidare 25-3
AIB V Unidare 10-10

Pudsy33

Juat to clarify, there are two Tallaght teams. One playing j5 and one playing j3 leinster league. We have no j4 team

keano007

chris85 wrote: »

Well drilled Tallaght j4 team there was against Clontarf. Their j5 weren't great though. Clontarf j5 have Stillorgan this weekend.

Anyone know where and when this one is on?

stek1980

Millmount has a warm up charity game on Fri, 1st of the season and then RCSI on Sat 6th, looking forward to it!

chris85

keano007 wrote: »

Anyone know where and when this one is on?

Castle Avenue, 3pm.

cmdrpaddy

ColmH81 wrote: »

I don't think the section name has too much of a bearing on the level of rugby.. Looking at Section C, it's the closest league I've seen in years.. There's no games you could look at and say "we'll win that one"...

The name mightn't indicate quality but it's a bit annoying that UCD and Seapoint, two teams who dominated section B last year, are now in section C.

Bort Ort

cmdrpaddy wrote: »

The name mightn't indicate quality but it's a bit annoying that UCD and Seapoint, two teams who dominated section B last year, are now in section C.

Just looking at finishing positions from last year and would make sense to just swap the names of divisions B & C. Has anyone asked the branch about this as maybe it's a genuine mistake?

Whats happens if you win Section C this year? Are you relegated again to section D!!

Millem

keano007 wrote: »

chris85 wrote: »

Well drilled Tallaght j4 team there was against Clontarf. Their j5 weren't great though. Clontarf j5 have Stillorgan this weekend.

Anyone know where and when this one is on?

J5: Clontarf v Stillorgan called off

Peadar06

Terenure J4 vs Parkmore today at 12.30p.m.

MATCH CANCELLED. Parkmore couldn't field a team

Peter

chris85

Millem wrote: »

J5: Clontarf v Stillorgan called off

Really? Do you know the reason?

Millem

J4: Stillorgan edged out Guinness yesterday in a fiercely competitive encounter at Bird Avenue. The Stillorgan 10 knocked over a penalty (last kick of the game) to claim victory for the home side. Final score was 23-21 (I think)

ColmH81

Bort Ort wrote: »

Just looking at finishing positions from last year and would make sense to just swap the names of divisions B & C. Has anyone asked the branch about this as maybe it's a genuine mistake?

Whats happens if you win Section C this year? Are you relegated again to section D!!

I know as an ex Seapoint player, from speaking to some of the more senior players, there's a lot of confusion as to how these leagues were put together...