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RGI Gas Installer not happy with him...

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    #32
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    €800 to change two pcbs, €380+ fitting for a expansion vessel on a Heatline, €800+ on another Heatline after changing numerous parts It was found the thermostat knob stem was to short.

    All above we're Bord Gais and if you can't trust them who can you trust.


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    #33
    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    €800 to change two pcbs, €380+ fitting for a expansion vessel on a Heatline, €800+ on another Heatline after changing numerous parts It was found the thermostat knob stem was to short.

    All above we're Bord Gais and if you can't trust them who can you trust.

    gary as I said im 4th generation. I could tell you stories about RGI and BG. Going back even to when BG before RGI was around. BG putting gas lines in. just to get customers transferred over. the pipes and burner change overs ect getting installed (you want to talk about dangerous) . & these lads that got the contracts (are RGI founders)

    I even remember letters sent out to customers stating the oil burner change overs to gas. where dangerous. who fitted them.no wording in the letter about that.

    that's no fcukin joke. probably got customer service skills from them


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    #34
    corkgsxr
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    theres alot of good fellas subbing off bg but theres even more that are atrocious. i donno how they get away with it.

    whats worse iv heard technicians get 50 or 100 for every boiler change that goes ahead that they recommended.
    i got called out to one house that the boiler apparently couldnt be fixed. i topped up the pressure and by what must be a miracle its still working 6 months later.

    the mother in law. boiler dropping gas pressure. about 1 mbar in the 2 mins. told boiler was unsafe. she rang me wondering how much a boiler was thinking her house could explode. turns out it was just a gas valve. changed the valve and all is good, gas back on.

    i wont go on


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    #35
    Billy Bunting
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    gary71 wrote: »
    Don't go mixing Gas up with plumbing where there is a apprenticeship, trade qualifications and a environment where customer relations/service can be passed from tradesman to apprentice.

    .

    Don't forget Gary! some of us did do the time and the apprentaship, and I for one loath being labeled a RGI because of the stigma that now goes along with it.


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    #36
    scudo2
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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Don't forget Gary! some of us did do the time and the apprentaship, and I for one loath being labeled a RGI because of the stigma that now goes along with it.

    Its as bad as " Guild Of Master Craftsmen"


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    #37
    corkplumber
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    Its not really. we have had these problems a long time. I can even remember when we had a strong PLUMBERS union. It was ran by a socialist welder. (a welder running a plumbers union)

    RGI distinguishes a safety aspect in training (nothing else, min requirement is GID, min requirement for GID is GIS, minimum requirement for GIS is a 4 week course). What is needed is something to distinguish qualified plumbers / gas fitters ect from tech not time served.

    GIS should be abolished and only part of the apprenticeship. Min requirement to sit GID still be GIS. Cuts the **** out. OFTEC min requirement should be trade paper.


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    #38
    corkplumber
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    I heard a saying along time back stuck in me head.

    IF YOU CAN GET THE JOB DONE CHEAPER. WAIT TILL YOU END UP WITH THE FINAL BILL AFTER THE AMETUR IS FINISHED.


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    #39
    corkplumber
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    just to add. (I left out) electricans are the only trade that should be able outside qualified plumbers to obtain GID and OFTEC.

    if that became the system. (which it should be). we be like the taxis before regulation. You wouldn't see many on the road.


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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    Don't forget Gary! some of us did do the time and the apprentaship, and I for one loath being labeled a RGI because of the stigma that now goes along with it.

    I mean no disrespect Mr Bunting, most of my pontificating comes from the frustration of seeing the work that's being done by some card carrying RGI and the impact it's having on our trade/customers, I spend so much time shaking my head while tutting I'm going to end up with a bad neck and horse:eek:


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    #41
    corkplumber
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    gary and billy. am I missing something or misreading. is gary qualified plumber and billy not. or something


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    #42
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    Neither of us our qualified plumbers;)


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    #43
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    Qualified gas service engineers:cool:






    Don't do toilets:)


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    #44
    scudo2
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    corkplumber wrote: »
    just to add. (I left out) electricans are the only trade that should be able outside qualified plumbers to obtain GID and OFTEC.

    WHY ?
    The only people who should be let near boilers is somebody that has served a proper apprenticeship with plenty of boiler experience.
    You shouldn't be able to walk from one trade and into another without the proper experence.
    If they have good grass roots boiler experience then I've no problem with that, no matter what trade.

    But not an open door policy.


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    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    Qualified gas service engineers:cool:






    Don't do toilets:)

    so excuse my ignorance. you are both tech then. (plumbers mates). I have gid, oftec , fetac level 6 certs in you name it. but my trade cert is but the bible. are you telling me you don't have trade certs for the relevant industry and buy the way gary eng is a misused word. they do 4/5 years in a college. plumbers serve their time in on site and partly in it/college. eng is a name provided by no instituition in Ireland for plumbers that fit gas or anything else

    I think you mean TECH that got in the back door


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    #46
    Billy Bunting
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    corkplumber wrote: »
    gary and billy. am I missing something or misreading. is gary qualified plumber and billy not. or something

    Gary has indeed many qualifications (some that we can’t talk about here :P ), I am also well endowed, but I spent 30 years of my life being a Gas Service Engineer when the label actually meant something, now as a RGI I am questionable.


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    #47
    corkplumber
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    scudo2 wrote: »
    corkplumber wrote: »
    just to add. (I left out) electricans are the only trade that should be able outside qualified plumbers to obtain GID and OFTEC.

    WHY ?
    The only people who should be let near boilers is somebody that has served a proper apprenticeship with plenty of boiler experience.
    You shouldn't be able to walk from one trade and into another without the proper experence.
    If they have good grass roots boiler experience then I've no problem with that, no matter what trade.

    But not an open door policy.


    scudo I agree completely. but electricans make good fault finders for servicing.


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    #48
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    corkplumber wrote: »


    scudo I agree completely. but electricans make good fault finders for servicing.

    Wouldn't it be nice if they started with the ones they leave.



    Meow......


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    #49
    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be nice if they start with the ones they leave.

    good for electrical fault finding. A word TECH distinguished on them with their qualified electrican cert. ever say to an electrican the load is nit there. he picks it up a totally different way?


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    corkplumber wrote: »
    good for electrical fault finding. A word TECH distinguished on them with their qualified electrican cert. ever say to an electrican the load is nit there. he picks it up a totally different way?

    I did once ask one why he wired a roomstat over a toaster.


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    #51
    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    I did once ask one why he wired a roomstat over a toaster.

    that's fine gary. but will you answer my question. as I said no such thing as an eng in this industry. unless your mechanical eng , electrical eng ect. no such thing as a gas eng. your a qualified plumber with gid or your a tech (plumbers mate of old)


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    #52
    shane0007
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    I've seen them wire in this new Climote remote access timeclock in the hot press with the hot water cylinder beside it.
    It has a built in room stat!


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    #53
    Billy Bunting
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    corkplumber wrote: »
    are you telling me you don't have trade certs for the relevant industry and buy the way gary eng is a misused word. they do 4/5 years in a college. plumbers serve their time in on site and partly in it/college. eng is a name provided by no instituition in Ireland for plumbers that fit gas or anything else

    I think you mean TECH that got in the back door

    You obviously have no idea what a Gas Service Engineer is all about because there has never been such in Ireland, i'm afraid GID just doesnt do it.


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    #54
    scudo2
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    corkplumber wrote: »
    scudo2 wrote: »


    scudo I agree completely. but electricans make good fault finders for servicing.

    But they they need the experence in instulations also. If there now "qualfied" to install. Books can't make up for that.


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    #55
    corkplumber
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    Billy Bunting wrote: »
    You obviously have no idea what a Gas Service Engineer is all about because there has never been such in Ireland, i'm afraid GID just doesnt do it.

    you obviously have a reason to defend not having a trade cert. you show me evidence of any qualification calling you an eng outside a degree in college. ill agree with you, don't think I will be. or should I say I know I wont


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    #56
    corkplumber
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    scudo2 wrote: »
    corkplumber wrote: »

    But they they need the experence in instulations also. If there now "qualfied" to install. Books can't make up for that.

    that's not my point. my point been. they form part of the service. tech cert to be qualified in gas electrical safety, not the plumbing.


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    My favourite one for this year was a site with no perminant lives to the boilers.

    After explaining to the sparks (nicely) why it's important to wire the boilers correctly for frost protection etc... He decided to do his own thing and not rewire the boilers on site like i asked but he fitted loft light heaters beside the boilers instead. Now as he fitted plugs to the heaters all the heaters were left unplugged rendering the heaters pointless:pac: and no warranty on the boilers as well unfortunatly.


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    #58
    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    My favourite one for this year was a site with no perminant lives to the boilers.

    After explaining to the sparks (nicely) why it's important to wire the boilers correctly for frost protection etc... He decided to do his own thing and not rewire the boilers on site like i asked but he fitted loft light heaters beside the boilers instead. Now as he fitted plugs to the heaters all the heaters were left unplugged rendering the heaters pointless:pac: and no warranty on the boilers as well unfortunatly.


    that fine. still doesn't answer my question.


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    corkplumber wrote: »

    that's not my point. my point been. they form part of the service. tech cert to be qualified in gas electrical safety, not the plumbing.

    you're either a gas engineer or your not, giving a person a couple of weeks training isn't going to make them a real RGI just another fake.

    I would expect a RGI to have a understanding of gas to be safe, having a technical background is pointless with out proper gas training, electrics or plumbing are only a small part of a gas engineers role.


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    #60
    corkplumber
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    gary71 wrote: »
    you're either a gas Enginner tech or your not, giving a person a couple of weeks training isn't going to make them a real RGI just another fake.

    I would expect a RGI to have a understanding of gas to be safe, having a technical background is pointless with out proper gas training, electrics or plumbing are only a small part of a gas engineers role.

    I would expect an organisation to be able to tell their members they are not engs, they are qualified plumbers gas trained. OR. technichians. where in Ireland is the word eng used?

    i sorry if this hurts. but years back you be called plumbers mates. if you don't do your degree your a tech in eng terms.


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    corkplumber wrote: »
    that's fine gary. but will you answer my question. as I said no such thing as an eng in this industry. unless your mechanical eng , electrical eng ect. no such thing as a gas eng. your a qualified plumber with gid or your a tech (plumbers mate of old)

    Your wrong.

    Have a look at the contents of a GID/GIS, anybody who sits these papers are saying they are competent to work on gas in the same manor as me a gas service engineer.


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