Dummys guide to DIY Calving Camera

kevthegaff

vanderbadger wrote: »

hmm prob not, what vodafone thing is it

its a vodafone R205, i have 5mb download speed in the house, the calving pen is 30 metres away

vanderbadger

kevthegaff wrote: »

its a vodafone R205, i have 5mb download speed in the house, the calving pen is 30 metres away

you would need to change that vodafone device for a router that takes 3g and has a few ether net ports, not sure of vodafone supply them or what they cost, you could go and buy your own on amazon etc
https://community.vodafone.ie/t5/Mobile-Broadband/Configuring-3G-router/td-p/51826

kevthegaff

ok ill look out for one thanks:)

GoodMan55985

Been looking at various IP cameras. The Foscam FI8918W is top rated on this website as best IP Camera overall considering price etc.

http://ip-camera-review.toptenreviews.com

just do it

just one thing about the foscam, I nearly bought the stand separately as it was in the "customers who bought this also bought" section. then I had a look again and noted it comes included. haven't received it yet so can't say how easy it is to mount. Ink post details when I'm up and running....

vanderbadger

can you get domes for them, cattle sheds are very dirty and dusty and you may find over time that the camera wont like all that gunge building up.

GoodMan55985

vanderbadger wrote: »

can you get domes for them, cattle sheds are very dirty and dusty and you may find over time that the camera wont like all that gunge building up.

I reserched this on the net. You can get a dome (to keep it clean) for the foscam fi8918w that lads talking about here but it will only work in daylight. If you have the dome on this at night it won't work as the material in dome relfects back on the camera and not work properly. Then the outdoor foscam is not meant to be as good. Though a lad earlier in this thread has foscam fi8918w mounted in a hayshed for 2 years and no probs.

vanderbadger

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

I reserched this on the net. You can get a dome (to keep it clean) for the foscam fi8918w that lads talking about here but it will only work in daylight. If you have the dome on this at night it won't work as the material in dome relfects back on the camera and not work properly. Then the outdoor foscam is not meant to be as good. Though a lad earlier in this thread has foscam fi8918w mounted in a hayshed for 2 years and no probs.

suppose they are as cheap as chips anyway, easy buy another one

GoodMan55985

Can you run/is it safe to run ethernet outdoor cable between a house and cow shed over ground say for 20m to 40m. That is the distance between house and shed. I was going to run the cable between the two like a telephone wire or electrical cable. I see on internet forums that guys say you have to have it buried underground for safety as danger if a lightening strike. Diggging trenches is not feasible as have to dig concrete footpaths and the like. Would wireless just be best in light of this

just do it

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

Can you run/is it safe to run ethernet outdoor cable between a house and cow shed over ground say for 20m to 40m. That is the distance between house and shed. I was going to run the cable between the two like a telephone wire or electrical cable. I see on internet forums that guys say you have to have it buried underground for safety as danger if a lightening strike. Diggging trenches is not feasible as have to dig concrete footpaths and the like. Would wireless just be best in light of this

Possibly run out thru 1/2 inch HG hydodare?

agricamera

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

Can you run/is it safe to run ethernet outdoor cable between a house and cow shed over ground say for 20m to 40m. That is the distance between house and shed. I was going to run the cable between the two like a telephone wire or electrical cable. I see on internet forums that guys say you have to have it buried underground for safety as danger if a lightening strike. Diggging trenches is not feasible as have to dig concrete footpaths and the like. Would wireless just be best in light of this

Its not a problem to run a cable but the camera will need to be powered from the house end via POE.

Otherwise you are playing a dangerous game with different equipotential zones which could result in mains voltages going down your cat5 cable :eek:

If someone wants to run more than 1 camera in the shed and cannot use wireless for one reason or another we supply them with a fibre optic cable kit which solves the earthing problems (fibre is non conductive).

GoodMan55985

agricamera wrote: »

Its not a problem to run a cable but the camera will need to be powered from the house end via POE.

Otherwise you are playing a dangerous game with different equipotential zones which could result in mains voltages going down your cat5 cable :eek:

If someone wants to run more than 1 camera in the shed and cannot use wireless for one reason or another we supply them with a fibre optic cable kit which solves the earthing problems (fibre is non conductive).

Thanks for this. What type/name of outdoor cable would you reccomend for running overground. Also what I am not expert on this so wondering what is POE and how to do it? thanks

mcflowers

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

I am looking into setup a system to monior calvings also.

I found this diagram on the internet. It may be helpful to guys to give an idea of what they need to do the setup when doing it DIY.

http://agricamera.co.uk/installation-and-setup

Also has anyone bought off this crowd. Private mail me if any experience dealing with them.

Hi Goodman.

I recently bought off of agricamera. Very easy to deal with have to say,really quick to reply to emails and even rang me see everything was working ok. I had previously setup the wireless link myself and was using a cheap Chinese camera and wanted to upgrade to better camera so bought the PTZ camera that they sell. Bit on expensive side but i wouldn't go back, no comparison to the cheap camera, Its a great job, can view the entire shed and zoom in on tag number of the cow. I suppose its you pay for what you get really...

They setup up the remote access for me too, so i can view it from any computer anywhere, i just gave them a ring when i had the camera put up in the shed and he set everything up in no length, bobs your uncle.

In regards the wireless link, if i were back again i'd probably get that off this crowd too, although i got it setup myself, i took alot of time and searching the web finding out how to do it and making cables and stuff. When talking to them setting up the remote access, they told me they send out the wireless links all set up already so you have nothing to do only plug them in and away you go, also they will make up whatever cables you want too.

agricamera

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

Thanks for this. What type/name of outdoor cable would you reccomend for running overground. Also what I am not expert on this so wondering what is POE and how to do it? thanks

If you're going between the house and shed I'd recommend an outdoor rated CAT5 cable - it's like normal CAT5 except it has a second much tougher black PVC sheath around the inner one that makes it much more durable. It should probably go in conduit but I'd hazard a guess that it would last 10 years+ in the ground before deteriorating...

POE is power over ethernet - essentially sending the power and the network connection down the same piece of CAT5. Otherwise you have to run 230v direct to the camera - pain in the ass and dangerous if you have connected two buildings together with CAT5.

The problem is it can be a bit of a minefield - not all POE injectors are compatible and I have had POE injectors that have quite literally exploded as soon as they were plugged in because of a short circuit in the camera circuitry! I'd buy the POE injector from somewhere reputable

GoodMan55985

agricamera wrote: »

If you're going between the house and shed I'd recommend an outdoor rated CAT5 cable - it's like normal CAT5 except it has a second much tougher black PVC sheath around the inner one that makes it much more durable. It should probably go in conduit but I'd hazard a guess that it would last 10 years+ in the ground before deteriorating...

POE is power over ethernet - essentially sending the power and the network connection down the same piece of CAT5. Otherwise you have to run 230v direct to the camera - pain in the ass and dangerous if you have connected two buildings together with CAT5.

The problem is it can be a bit of a minefield - not all POE injectors are compatible and I have had POE injectors that have quite literally exploded as soon as they were plugged in because of a short circuit in the camera circuitry! I'd buy the POE injector from somewhere reputable

All in all it seems a lot of hassle with the cable and more things to worry about. Having the buy more piping to act as a conduit for the eternet cable. The wireless seems a lot neater and handier. Would that be the case?

vanderbadger

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

All in all it seems a lot of hassle with the cable and more things to worry about. Having the buy more piping to act as a conduit for the eternet cable. The wireless seems a lot neater and handier. Would that be the case?

definitely, its a good idea going forward when doing any concrete work in the yard to leave piping under new concrete that can act as ducting thru which cables can be pulled

49801

chating to a cctv installer today...
said that 1 cat5 cable can support 4 camera's
but only one ip camera per cable.

agricamera

49801 wrote: »

chating to a cctv installer today...
said that 1 cat5 cable can support 4 camera's
but only one ip camera per cable.

If the installer knew what he was talking about he would know you could hang 20 or more ip cameras off the end of one cable with the aid of a switch (hub)

And if he hangs 4 analogue cameras off one cat5 he will have to run a second cable to power them!

just do it

vanderbadger wrote: »

definitely, its a good idea going forward when doing any concrete work in the yard to leave piping under new concrete that can act as ducting thru which cables can be pulled

That's an excellent cheap tip. Sorry I didn't do it 4 years ago. Are you thinking 4in sewer pipe or something else?

just do it

agricamera wrote: »

If the installer knew what he was talking about he would know you could hang 20 or more ip cameras off the end of one cable with the aid of a switch (hub)

And if he hangs 4 analogue cameras off one cat5 he will have to run a second cable to power them!

I was going to ask you how did the ad in the Irish Farmers Journal work out, but then I noticed your based in the UK and not North Donegal!

vanderbadger

just do it wrote: »

That's an excellent cheap tip. Sorry I didn't do it 4 years ago. Are you thinking 4in sewer pipe or something else?

ya anything really
we put up a new machinery shed last year at edge of yard, where we put in new concrete we ran a few lengths of 4" corri pipe and left rope in it..later on it was very handy to pull power cable thru..not too long before that i had to run a new power cable from house up yard and i just buried it, i was annoyed after that i hadnt taken the time to do it right :rolleyes:

Juniorhurler

Right, I will own up straight away, I am a technological retard.

However, I need a calving camera asap and moneys too tight to mention. I live 700m from the calving shed as the crow flies but have line of sight as the house is on higher ground facing downhill to the yard. From reading this thread what I need is a ptz camera with an ip address, 2 nano stations and a camera control app for my smart phone and I am away via using the broadband in my house. Is this correct?

2nd question. The auld fella lives 40m from the calving shed but has no broadband in the house. Can I get signal to a television in his bedroom wirelessly without him having broadband? If so, how? Please use small words to keep it simple for the retard:D.

vanderbadger

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Right, I will own up straight away, I am a technological retard.

However, I need a calving camera asap and moneys too tight to mention. I live 700m from the calving shed as the crow flies but have line of sight as the house is on higher ground facing downhill to the yard. From reading this thread what I need is a ptz camera with an ip address, 2 nano stations and a camera control app for my smart phone and I am away via using the broadband in my house. Is this correct?

2nd question. The auld fella lives 40m from the calving shed but has no broadband in the house. Can I get signal to a television in his bedroom wirelessly without him having broadband? If so, how? Please use small words to keep it simple for the retard:D.

has he a line of sight as well, you could buy a third nano and effectively network the 2 houses and shed, in my case the shed is the central point which can see my house and thr brothers so he could use camera if he wanted, he also pulls internet from my house, you could throw an old computer into auld fella and leave web browser with camera open, would be hard to get it to tv i feel as you would need some type of IP to coax conversion

Lofty0990

vanderbadger wrote: »

ya you would need to make up ethernet cable, you could buy 1 on ebay but they are easy make yourself..50ft would be no prob, 100 meters is the limit

Nokia Lumia can pick up WAP in upstairs of dwelling standing at base of wall where nano would be going so is there only a need for one nano on ethernet cable going to camera?

Ta

vanderbadger

Lofty0990 wrote: »

Nokia Lumia can pick up WAP in upstairs of dwelling standing at base of wall where nano would be going so is there only a need for one nano on ethernet cable going to camera?

Ta

hmm you would have to associate your access point to nanostation, not sure if it would work, no harm in trying it i guess but i suspect you may need 2 nanos

agricamera

vanderbadger wrote: »

hmm you would have to associate your access point to nanostation, not sure if it would work, no harm in trying it i guess but i suspect you may need 2 nanos

Technically it will work fine...

But I wouldn't recommend it, I doubt it will be very reliable considering how crappy the wifi modules are in most cheap wireless routers.

Better to buy two nanos as you say.

GoodMan55985

I think I will go with wireless but I have a question. My broadband/phone connection line coming into the house is not buried underground. It is coming in from phone pole across the road overhead to the house.

Just wondering why it not advised for me to run an outdoor ethernet cable overhead between house and shed when eircom can do this. And what about all the phone wires on poles throughout the country.

Just wondering does anyone have an explanation? Thanks

agricamera

GoodMan55985 wrote: »

I think I will go with wireless but I have a question. My broadband/phone connection line coming into the house is not buried underground. It is coming in from phone pole across the road overhead to the house.

Just wondering why it not advised for me to run an outdoor ethernet cable overhead between house and shed when eircom can do this. And what about all the phone wires on poles throughout the country.

Just wondering does anyone have an explanation? Thanks

The phone system has its own closed loop power system which will not ground out making it a safe setup.

It is perfectly possible to have copper between the buildings but it is asking for trouble if the buildings do not have a common earth. Ethernet cable can already have a potential difference of around 40V with a standard setup if you have copper links between two separatley grounded building these can get much higher. This runs the risk of in the short term tripping out the switches making them unstable or long term burning out the ports/cable if there is enough discharge through them.

In the event of an electrical fault in one of the buildings you could potentially end up with mains voltages on the cat5.


Is it likely to be a problem? No. If you're going to be using a cheapo foscam camera that has a life expectancy of about 9 months.. the camera will probably pack up before the cable causes a problem

On the other hand... would I risk it? No.

GoodMan55985

agricamera wrote: »

The phone system has its own closed loop power system which will not ground out making it a safe setup.

It is perfectly possible to have copper between the buildings but it is asking for trouble if the buildings do not have a common earth. Ethernet cable can already have a potential difference of around 40V with a standard setup if you have copper links between two separatley grounded building these can get much higher. This runs the risk of in the short term tripping out the switches making them unstable or long term burning out the ports/cable if there is enough discharge through them.

In the event of an electrical fault in one of the buildings you could potentially end up with mains voltages on the cat5.


Is it likely to be a problem? No. If you're going to be using a cheapo foscam camera that has a life expectancy of about 9 months.. the camera will probably pack up before the cable causes a problem

On the other hand... would I risk it? No.

Thanks for explanation, just wanted to understand this. Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Lofty0990

agricamera wrote: »

Are you buying a spool or a preterminated length?

Comms express is the best place to go for preterminated, if you want outdoor rated cable on a roll Solwise are generally cheaper but their preterminated patch cables are junk.

Avoid anything that is called CCA - copper clad aluminium, it will cause you no end of grief.

is the shielded cable better for hostile enviornment of dust ,condensation etc that you would get in cubicle house?

http://www.comms-express.com/products/shielded-cat5e-rj45-patch-leads/