'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

leftism · 05-01-2013 3:28pm

No

Cienciano wrote: »

The start of operation damage limitation begins! Don't forgive Lance for him, do it for the millions of cancer sufferers out there!

If he does confess, i'd say it could be along those lines alright...

I'm imagining something like " i pumped myself full of chemicals for years so that future cancer sufferers won't have to. in the end who's the bigger villain here? me??? or the cancer!"

If he confesses and uses the C-word in any way to justify his actions, then its as despicable as that time Saddam Hussein packed his palace full of little rich white kids during the Gulf War.

resdubwhite · 05-01-2013 3:52pm

No

leftism wrote: »

If he confesses and uses the C-word in any way to justify his actions, .

I think thats a given.
One of the motivations to confess would be to get the Livestrong business going again.
That and if he can get a deal to avoid prosecution, but then he'd probably have to shop Hein/Pat and Bruyneel.

Of course, then Walsh/O'Reilly/Hamilton/Swart can drag him through the courts system.

I look forward to it with great anticipation.

Cienciano · 05-01-2013 6:42pm

No

Lol!

Fat Cyclist (@fatcyclist) tweeted at 5:04 PM on Sat, Jan 05, 2013:
BREAKING NEWS: I'm considering leaking to the press speculation that I'm considering acknowledging something that everyone already knows.
(https://twitter.com/fatcyclist/status/287605485841022977)

Hermy · 05-01-2013 6:48pm

No

It's like the kettle calling the kettle black!

Captain Havoc · 05-01-2013 7:14pm

He had this all planned since 1999, he knew he would have to become the greatest athlete of all time, winning the tour seven times. Even Lance knew he couldn't go on winning the tour into his forties so he devised a plan. He told other cyclists that they would have to leak to the press that he was doped, he knew that once he retired that to make people aware of cancer he would have to be back in the limelight but nobody wants to read about forty year olds, so much like Jesus died for our sins by allowing himself to be crucified by the Romans and getting himself into the bible, Lance is allowing his reputation to be crucified by the press for people ignorant of cancer everywhere, so we can be aware. But let it be told that Lance will rise again.

feck sake lads · 05-01-2013 7:58pm

Ah to be honest i loved watching him drugs or no drugs he's still a super bike rider.

Lusk Doyle · 05-01-2013 9:22pm

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

Ah to be honest i loved watching him drugs or no drugs he's still a super bike rider.

No he's not. He wears black socks. End of.

ballygowan1 · 05-01-2013 10:39pm

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

Ah to be honest i loved watching him drugs or no drugs he's still a super bike rider.

Without drugs you will find him an average bike rider. So you are so very wrong there fanboy

Seweryn · 05-01-2013 10:43pm

feck sake lads wrote: »

...he's still a super bike rider.

As good as me

. He won the same number of TdF stages as I have

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feck sake lads · 05-01-2013 10:48pm

ballygowan1 wrote: »

Without drugs you will find him an average bike rider. So you are so very wrong there fanboy

eh i don't think so

RobFowl · 05-01-2013 10:50pm

No

Seweryn wrote: »

As good as me . He won the same number of TdF stages as I have .

He has got 2 still on record afaik

feck sake lads · 05-01-2013 10:52pm

Seweryn wrote: »

As good as me . He won the same number of TdF stages as I have .

yeah course you are your just playing with words,
i'm not been a smart ass lads honest but give me a break he was a class act you can not take that from him.
yeah easy to kick a man when he's down but for me he was the fecking greatest rider the world has ever seen
well except for sean kelly.:)

Seweryn · 05-01-2013 10:58pm

RobFowl wrote: »

He has got 2 still on record afaik

Me too

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Surinam · 06-01-2013 12:08am

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

yeah course you are your just playing with words,
i'm not been a smart ass lads honest but give me a break he was a class act you can not take that from him.
yeah easy to kick a man when he's down but for me he was the fecking greatest rider the world has ever seen
well except for sean kelly.:)

Sean Kelly doped too............are all your idols like this?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 06-01-2013 12:09am

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

yeah course you are your just playing with words,
i'm not been a smart ass lads honest but give me a break he was a class act you can not take that from him.
yeah easy to kick a man when he's down but for me he was the fecking greatest rider the world has ever seen
well except for sean kelly.:)

So manipulative c***s are considered class acts now, well holy god Miley!!

feck sake lads · 06-01-2013 12:44am

Surinam wrote: »

Sean Kelly doped too............are all your idols like this?

will you stop he took a few polo mints thats all.
sean kelly doped yeah right my ass.:P

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 1:39pm

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

i'm not been a smart ass lads honest but give me a break he was a class act you can not take that from him.

Class act?

you don't read much do you?

Re him being a great rider without the drugs.
We'll never know. Drugs and their affects on people don't create a level playing field as different drugs give different benefits.

Raymzor · 06-01-2013 1:50pm

No

Prior to 1999 Armstrongs Grand Tour achievements were not hugely impressive. this gives an understanding of his ability as a Grand Tour Rider on "bread and water"?

resdubwhite wrote: »

Class act?

you don't read much do you?

Re him being a great rider without the drugs.
We'll never know. Drugs and their affects on people don't create a level playing field as different drugs give different benefits.

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 2:14pm

No

Raymzor wrote: »

Prior to 1999 Armstrongs Grand Tour achievements were not hugely impressive. this gives an understanding of his ability as a Grand Tour Rider on "bread and water"?

Lances best placed finish was 36th or something.
but that was the era of Banesto/Geweiss/Once/Festina.

The biggest problem from the EPO era is that we will never know who was good enough and who wasn't.
The claim that it was ok to dope because everyone else was doing it and the results should stand is naive at best.

But its ok now. Everyone stopped doping after 2006. Its ok people. Everything is fine now.
( Do I need to add a sarcastic smiley?)

LeftBlank · 06-01-2013 2:34pm

Hopefully, if he does decide to come clean, he will bring McQuaid down with him.

wonderfullife · 06-01-2013 2:45pm

No

I just find his lawyer funny. Trots out the "500-600 tests passed" line every 2 mins and now asked will lance confess, just shrugs his shoulders!! Meh maybe!

Anyway i have a fundamental problem with the idea a confession only comes if he can strike a deal with prosecutors to avoid the perjury charges. If jail was good enough for Marion Jones it's good enough for Lance.

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 2:49pm

No

wonderfullife wrote: »

I just find his lawyer funny. Trots out the "500-600 tests passed" line every 2 mins and now asked will lance confess, just shrugs his shoulders!! Meh maybe!

Anyway i have a fundamental problem with the idea a confession only comes if he can strike a deal with prosecutors to avoid the perjury charges. If jail was good enough for Marion Jones it's good enough for Lance.

If WADA come knocking on his door and he offers Verbruggen and the UCI, I think the feds and SCA will probably go away. Albeit with monies retrieved from US postal case and the SCA case.
He pays back 15 mill to Feds 10 to SCA, in return doesn't go to jail and WADA get the UCI he may have a deal.

As it stands he's in serious trouble. The perjury charges will come his way this year for certain.

wonderfullife · 06-01-2013 2:51pm

No

resdubwhite wrote: »

If WADA come knocking on his door and he offers Verbruggen and the UCI, I think the feds and SCA will probably go away. Albeit with monies retrieved from US postal case and the SCA case.
He pays back 15 mill to Feds 10 to SCA, in return doesn't go to jail and WADA get the UCI he may have a deal.

As it stands he's in serious trouble. The perjury charges will come his way this year for certain.

the US postal case is a lot more complicated than a straight $15 million, it'll be closer to $25 million on a deal i would imagine, as going through the courts could put it closer to $50 million.

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 3:00pm

No

wonderfullife wrote: »

the US postal case is a lot more complicated than a straight $15 million, it'll be closer to $25 million on a deal i would imagine, as going through the courts could put it closer to $50 million.

I've read somewhere that Lances net worth is somewhere close to 150 million.

If he settles this all up for say 50 in total he'll still have a comfortable retirement.
(SCA/Times/Feds. probably Betsy, Emma. Greg too)
And the Livestrong persona can be rebuilt.

Surinam · 06-01-2013 3:22pm

No

feck sake lads wrote: »

will you stop he took a few polo mints thats all.
sean kelly doped yeah right my ass.:P

Are you a troll or are you actually being serious?

Sean Kelly did test positive - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kelly_%28cyclist%29#Doping

T-K-O · 06-01-2013 3:24pm

Surinam wrote: »

Are you a troll or are you actually being serious?

Sean Kelly did test positive - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kelly_%28cyclist%29#Doping

Genuine question from casual fan, Does that exclude Kelly from being a great rider

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 3:27pm

No

T-K-O wrote: »

Genuine question from casual fan, Does that exclude Kelly from being a great rider

No.

But it certainly changes the perception somewhat. I have always wondered why Kelly is held is huge affection in this country whilst Roche is a relative outcast compared to Kellys legend.

T-K-O · 06-01-2013 3:30pm

resdubwhite wrote: »

No.

But it certainly changes the perception somewhat. I have always wondered why Kelly is held is huge affection in this country whilst Roche is a relative outcast compared to Kellys legend.

I struggle to reconcile Armstrong and his demotion to a nobody when we know for sure other guys cheated yet they remain legends of the sport.

It leaves a very sour taste and IMO calls into question the reputation of almost every successful rider in my lifetime

resdubwhite · 06-01-2013 3:36pm

No

T-K-O wrote: »

I struggle to reconcile Armstrong and his demotion to a nobody when we know for sure other guys cheated yet they remain legends of the sport.

It leaves a very sour taste and IMO calls into question the reputation of almost every successful rider in my lifetime

Armstrong destroyed the lifes of several people in his attempt to keep the sordid story under wraps.
The evidence also shows that Armstrong in his attempt to win coerced others into doping.
Personally I think everyone in the sport is tainted. Outside of Lemond, I don't think anyones reputation is in tact.

T-K-O · 06-01-2013 3:42pm

resdubwhite wrote: »

Armstrong destroyed the lifes of several people in his attempt to keep the sordid story under wraps.
The evidence also shows that Armstrong in his attempt to win coerced others into doping.
Personally I think everyone in the sport is tainted. Outside of Lemond, I don't think anyones reputation is in tact.

Guys could and have walked away, refusing to take drugs. Do I believe Lance was a major player, of course but he wasn't the first and he wont be the last.

He made me do it.... is something a child would say. Armstrong is such a huge story sometimes the debate lacks balance.

Totally agree with your last statement

'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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