Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

weldoninhio

CSF wrote: »

Can't help but notice you've been a lot quieter about the numerous allegations surrounding your own players

I don't deal in allegation I deal in facts.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

weldoninhio wrote: »

Trouble in the away end, and the sectarian songbook out again. Wonder if the authorities will do anything about it.

Certainly won't make any excuses for scum that sing sectarian or terrorist related songs. And I also think along with the above any troublemakers should be dealt with severely.

There was five arrests in the Rangers end yesterday one guy for being drunk and incapable and four connected to the singing two whom were 14 years of age.

Intifada

It's weird that anyone would bring up Leigh Griffiths as some way of scoring points over Celtic fans considering he's a Hibs ned who none of us wanted him in the first place. I know there are certain other clubs, some nearby, that welcome racism with open arms but you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to pretend Celtic are one of them.

CSF

Dempsey wrote: »

Couldnt help but notice that you couldnt find your way out of the woodwork until now.

Yeah, I never post unless theres a racism allegation against Celtic me. That is definitely how I operate.

Intifada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbqGR6lMBNY

The club have done well to distract from this by raging loudly about Livi referring to them as a new club in their match programme, and the media are only happy to comply. Nothing to see here folks.

TheCitizen

CSF wrote: »

Can't help but notice you've been a lot quieter about the numerous allegations surrounding your own players

Wow talk about whataboutery.

What's your angle anyhoo?

Jelle1880

Intifada wrote: »

It's weird that anyone would bring up Leigh Griffiths as some way of scoring points over Celtic fans considering he's a Hibs ned who none of us wanted him in the first place. I know there are certain other clubs, some nearby, that welcome racism with open arms but you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to pretend Celtic are one of them.

It matters not a thing that you didn't want him to begin with.
As for your claim that Rangers welcomes racism with open arms, behave.
It's clear that Celtic value him (or at least the money paid for him) more than the claims that any Celtic player found guilty of racism would be immediately sacked.

As for the video, shocking scenes that, throwback to the 70's.
Or perhaps it's stupid kids who don't want their pal thrown out/arrested ?

Blowing stuff out of proportion seems to be popular with you.

TheCitizen

Intifada wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbqGR6lMBNY

The club have done well to distract from this by raging loudly about Livi referring to them as a new club in their match programme, and the media are only happy to comply. Nothing to see here folks.

Intae them Fenian coppers:pac:

CSF

TheCitizen wrote: »

Wow talk about whataboutery.

What's your angle anyhoo?

No angle as such, just pointing out that it is not good etiquette to foam at the mouth over one instance where allegations exist where nobody has yet been found guilty, but not to do so in other instances based purely on club alliegances.

A bit of balance goes a long way.

TheCitizen

CSF wrote: »

No angle as such, just pointing out that it is not good etiquette to foam at the mouth over one instance where allegations exist where nobody has yet been found guilty, but not to do so in other instances based purely on club alliegances.

A bit of balance goes a long way.

A chip on both shoulders type of balance you mean.

Intifada

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It matters not a thing that you didn't want him to begin with.

Actually I think it is quite relevant when discussing the values and beliefs of supporters that so many of us were against his signing despite him being one of the best SPL strikers going. Unlike, for example, Rangers fans who immediately back-peddled on all the abuse they gave Diouf after the Jamie Mackie incident to celebrate him as a hero because he died his hair blue and got mugged off by Brown. See also: Ian Black.

It's clear that Celtic value him (or at least the money paid for him) more than the claims that any Celtic player found guilty of racism would be immediately sacked.

It's also clear that the Celtic board are scumbags who couldn't be further removed from the support. Which is why it's bizarre to use it to 1-up the fans. I remember after the Tonev allegation loads of fans, presumably from a lower-league club, were straight in there with digs about Celtic fans sweeping it under the rug and denying it - which again was bizarre because so many Celtic fans were very vocal in their disapproval of Griffiths both before and after his incident.

Blowing stuff out of proportion seems to be popular with you.

In a country where broken seats and harmless smoke bombs are deserving of continued vilification by the national media and harassment from the authorities, I'm not sure if you can blow our of proportion fans singing overtly sectarian and racist songs, and brawling with police.

Jelle1880

Care to point out what racist or sectarian songs were sung ?

I mean, accusations are all fine but you may occasionally be asked to back those up.
I know, pesky.

Funny you should bring up Diouf by the way, let's see if I can find that picture of the Celtic fan doing monkey gestures towards him...

Anyway, I don't know if it's a coincidence but Celtic wouldn't happened to have lost last weekend ?
These things seem to have a habit of popping up in the Rangers thread when something bad happened at the other side of the city

edit: I also don't think I ever mentioned the values of Celtic fans with regards to Griffiths ?
My post about it was more about the fact that his case has time and time again been moved up for no particular reason.

Intifada

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Funny you should bring up Diouf by the way, let's see if I can find that picture of the Celtic fan doing monkey gestures towards him...

Again, widely derided and labelled an embarrassment by the support. Obviously in any group of individuals there will be people like that, I think the difference is in how diluted that minority are. The same way a culture of tolerance seems to be the minority view at your club.

Anyway, I don't know if it's a coincidence but Celtic wouldn't happened to have lost last weekend ?
These things seem to have a habit of popping up in the Rangers thread when something bad happened at the other side of the city

I'd say it is a coincidence seeing as I wouldn't have thought Celtic's results agaisnt Hamilton have any influence on the behaviour of Rangers fans. However there is some irony in you saying this while feeling the need to talk about Celtic in response to a video of your fans acting like animals.

Jelle1880

I think you need to re-evaluate what 'acting like animals' is.

It's a bunch of kids acting the tough man against police, hardly the widespread violence you wanna make it out to be.

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It matters not a thing that you didn't want him to begin with.
As for your claim that Rangers welcomes racism with open arms, behave.
It's clear that Celtic value him (or at least the money paid for him) more than the claims that any Celtic player found guilty of racism would be immediately sacked.

As for the video, shocking scenes that, throwback to the 70's.
Or perhaps it's stupid kids who don't want their pal thrown out/arrested ?

Blowing stuff out of proportion seems to be popular with you.

I must have missed the part when he was found guilty. Got a link??

Intifada

Griffiths is guilty and on the balance of probabilities Tonev probably is too. Whether they are found guilty or get off on a technicality is a legal matter and has no bearing on whether they made racist remarks.

In the interest of balance, the SFA would tell you Rangers never cheated on a football pitch. Does that mean they didn't?

Soups123

I really don't know why the Gers fans post in here tbh, the amount on tripe is relentless. Some posters are just obsessed with finding issue with the club.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Soups123 wrote: »

I really don't know why the Gers fans post in here tbh, the amount on tripe is relentless. Some posters are just obsessed with finding issue with the club.

You may not have noticed but none of us post on a regular basis anymore for that very reason mate

weldoninhio

Intifada wrote: »

Griffiths is guilty and on the balance of probabilities Tonev probably is too. Whether they are found guilty or get off on a technicality is a legal matter and has no bearing on whether they made racist remarks.

In the interest of balance, the SFA would tell you Rangers never cheated on a football pitch. Does that mean they didn't?

As I've said, I must have missed the guilty verdict. Could you give me a link? Even a quote or 2 would do.

Also would love to know how Tonev is guilty in the balance of probabilities? The player in question refused to press charges. Tonev has no previous for that type of thing.

bobbysands81

CSF wrote: »

No angle as such, just pointing out that it is not good etiquette to foam at the mouth over one instance where allegations exist where nobody has yet been found guilty, but not to do so in other instances based purely on club alliegances.

A bit of balance goes a long way.

Balance is one thing you've never shown.

bobbysands81

Soups123 wrote: »

I really don't know why the Gers fans post in here tbh, the amount on tripe is relentless. Some posters are just obsessed with finding issue with the club.

Yeah, why would any Irish people possibly have an issue with a club whose fans (only the other day) sang about being up to their knees in Fenian blood.

But hey, let's whinge about those pointing it out rather than those singing it.

Intifada

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

You may not have noticed but none of us post on a regular basis anymore for that very reason mate

Doesn't post here; replies within 15 mins.

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Yeah, why would any Irish people possibly have an issue with a club whose fans (only the other day) sang about being up to their knees in Fenian blood.

But hey, let's whinge about those pointing it out rather than those singing it.

Again: Any proof that that was sung ?

CSF

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Balance is one thing you've never shown.

You're entitled to that opinion, I'm inclined to disagree.

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Again: Any proof that that was sung ?

Seeing as you asked so nicely.

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Seeing as you asked so nicely.

I stand corrected then, but it's also pretty clear that it was partly done as a response towards the police, probably thought they scored a massive victory :rolleyes:

Nothing else untoward was sung all game.

Intifada

Why would you sing a song about murdering Catholics in response to the Scottish police force arresting your fans for fighting with them?

Jelle1880

Intifada wrote: »

Why would you sing a song about murdering Catholics in response to the Scottish police force arresting your fans for fighting with them?

Fenians =/= Catholics, something that actual Fenians seem very adamant about

And the police didn't go in because fans were fighting with them, it was because they wanted to pull one of the kids out because he used 'foul language' apparently.
After which the other ones tried to keep him away from them.

I have no idea why they chose to sing that, probably to show the police (who then simply picked up a few kids after the game) that even though it's banned they can't stop them ?
All part of some sort of acting tough in front of their pals no doubt.

I have no idea why this upsets certain Celtic fans so much though. These kind of things happen all the time, heavy handed policing combined with young fans trying to act the hard man is not new.

Intifada

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Fenians =/= Catholics, something that actual Fenians seem very adamant about

And yet, something Rangers fans i.e. the very people in question here are very adamant about in the complete opposite.

Don't be such a coward as to suggest Rangers fans do not mean Catholics when they say Fenian, or at the very least, Irish Catholics.

And the police didn't go in because fans were fighting with them, it was because they wanted to pull one of the kids out because he used 'foul language' apparently.
After which the other ones tried to keep him away from them.

If that's the case then fair play to the fans, but I don't think anyone really has an issue with that part anyway.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Intifada wrote: »

And yet, something Rangers fans i.e. the very people in question here are very adamant about in the complete opposite.

Don't be such a coward as to suggest Rangers fans do not mean Catholics when they say Fenian, or at the very least, Irish Catholics.


If that's the case then fair play to the fans, but I don't think anyone really has an issue with that part anyway.

Oh there is a section who no doubt mean Irish Catholics but a great many are knowledgeable enough to know the difference.

Much like Celtic fans singing about Orange bastards a section class it as all Protestants but a great many are knowledgeable enough to know the difference.

I myself find it funny when they call me an Orange Bastard and I am neither in the order or a Protestant

You really should not generalise that we are all the same it does you know credit