Blazblue: Chrono Phantasma discussion thread

Naphiel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_O9VIUmmiQ

Arc System Works just announced a new version of Blazblue, and not another sequel to Continuum Shift. The first location test starts tomorrow (06/08) so it'll be a good while before this see's an arcade release, let alone a console release (which I personally feel is a good thing, rushing this out right after Persona would have been a terrible idea).

Sprites have completely redone.
3 new characters announced; Amane, Bullet and Azrael.
New HUD. No primers to be seen.
Every characters meter is split in 4 like Jin's, so every character could potentially have EX moves now.
Murakumo units (Lambda and Mu/Feetless abominations) notably missing so far.

Reckon they could have waited awhile before announcing this, but I guess they just wanted to let BB fans know that they weren't just ignoring the franchise since there's been no word about it since Blazblue Revolution.

Looking forward to playing Azrael personally.

Fergus_

Not sure if I'm liking Noel's new sprite, I miss the blue beret

Doctor DooM

Rachels in the game and so far everyone has feet.


I'll be watching this one.

UberPrinny_Baal

Fergus_ wrote: »

Not sure if I'm liking Noel's new sprite, I miss the blue beret

It's funny, but this is like the only thing I took away from the trailer

"Huh, Noel's hat is gone"

Also Hazama has a new super, and Tsubaki's default colour is black now.

Seriously though, if you were gonna cut a character, why wouldn't you cut Platinum?:mad:

Doctor DooM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

It's funny, but this is like the only thing I took away from the trailer

"Huh, Noel's hat is gone"

Also Hazama has a new super, and Tsubaki's default colour is black now.

Seriously though, if you were gonna cut a character, why wouldn't you cut Platinum?:mad:

Because she has feet. Priorities.

Voa

Welp, I wasn't super enthused about Extend, I didn't even buy it in the end.




BUT TAGER'S GOT A BELLY FLOP **** YEAH

K.O.Kiki

New Noel look is good.
Long hair. More sideboob.

No playable Jubei or Kokonoe? Sadface.

Bullet has bullet tits.

Amane is a man.
Calling it now.

J0hnick

I gave up on BB after CT, each new iteration seemed to have so little added compared to other games, and the over priced DLC characters were a big turn off (did anyone even buy Continuum Shift Extend ?).

Anyways, I think I might get this one, wasn't expecting this with Persona being the new hype but I guess BB isn't dead yet.

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Seriously though, if you were gonna cut a character, why wouldn't you cut Platinum?

Who got cut ?, but yea, If I was gonna drop a character it would be her.

SirAuronDX

My body is more than ready for this. No new valk things? Well early days yet maybe they'll fiddle with some wolf mech here and there
I'm liking the looks of azrael so i'm gonna see how he works. Bullet to me looks like she has a form of noels drive (watch those red shadows following her) and amane is being learnt because troll purposes.
All in all glad to see a new system is in place already and looking forward to hearing more about it.

Naphiel

I doubt they'll give Valk more tools, it's not like he needs it or anything. He has some of the best pressure and mix ups in the game, and crazy damage to top it off.

Wondering what they'll do with Hakumen. Hope they keep him pretty intact since without primers now he can embrace a defensive style with no major downside. I'll take a damage nerf if he gets it because I can see some reasoning behind it.

Hoping for a not **** Tsubaki and Jin.

SirAuronDX

Naphiel wrote: »

I doubt they'll give Valk more tools, it's not like he needs it or anything. He has some of the best pressure and mix ups in the game, and crazy damage to top it off.

But they gave ragna something

Naphiel

Slayer's blocking animation would be the best thing they could ever give Valk. Can't really see anything they could give him really, he has so many rushdown options as it is and he's not a defensive character so it wouldn't make sense to give him a reversal.

I imagine Ragna will lose combo potential or meter gain or damage, maybe a bit of all 3 to compensate.

I pity the person who has to try and balance Arakune.

D4RK ONION

If Tsubaki isn't ass, I'll play this

K.O.Kiki

D4RK ONION wrote: »

If Tsubaki isn't ass, I'll play this

But Onion-sama, Tsubaki is EVULZ (!!) in this one!

SirAuronDX

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/aug/05/new-moves-all-characters-and-system-changes-blazblue-chrono-phantasma-discovered/

Alot of new stuff. seems that valk has a move changed (highlighted in gray)

all new stuff is pink.

It appears that offensive bursts (gold bursts) have been replaced with an Overdrive system that gives every character who activates it a unique powerup like Ragna's Blood Kain. There's a new system that allows you to break through the opponent's guard like with guard meters in CvS2/SFA2/KOF13

No more gold bursts, replaced by new system called overdrive.
Defensive bursts still in though.
Crush trigger: during certain moves, press A+B to crush your opponents guard. Won’t work on barrier guard though, and costs 25% heat

It increases your native strength. It fills up over time, then when its full you can activate it.
At low health it lasts longer, and will freeze time when used.
Each chara has their own overdrive.

SirAuronDX

From what im reading everyones overdrive effects are different as ragnas is blood kain but jins is called Overdrive: Frost End and noels is called Overdrive: Chain Quasar

Naphiel

Hakumen has a new air special. It only costs a single magatama so I doubt it'll be anything insane. Air Kishuu or a j.B divekick, let's go.

Looks like Hazama can dash out of his stance. Or with what the input is that's what I'd imagine it is.

Jin seems to have a stance move or at least a move with 3 different follow ups.

Doctor DooM

There's a bit of a bang of X factor off that over drive idea...

D4RK ONION

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

But Onion-sama, Tsubaki is EVULZ (!!) in this one!

If it means I get to do DP loops again, she can be Hitler for all I care!

Voa

Although, unlike X-factor it uses up ... your ... bursts ...
Oh holy crap double x-factor.


Also, tager appears to have 2 new moves, a HCB A and a ...maybe 360 C? I'm unsure. His overdrive seems neat in any case, forced magnetism. And a dp input for spark bolt? AA Spark?
Belly flop still has all of my interest.

Nutrient

X factor you say?

Trying to make BB hype is what that is:/

Hazama, Remain a bastard and we'll have our reunion

Naphiel

I think it's a C follow up to 360 A or B. Potentially more damage sacrificing Gadget Finger oki?

By looking at the list, overlimit is by no means going to be as much of a comeback mechanic as X-factor. I'll have to hear about how long they last before saying that but at the moment it looks like situational combo extenders (just like blood kain or mugen) or slightly improving your neutral game. It seems like it's a way to capitalise on being ahead rather than making a comeback.

Also half of them were already in the game, just have new activation conditions.

Doctor DooM

Naphiel wrote: »

By looking at the list, overlimit is by no means going to be as much of a comeback mechanic as X-factor. I'll have to hear about how long they last before saying that but at the moment it looks like situational combo extenders (just like blood kain or mugen) or slightly improving your neutral game. It seems like it's a way to capitalise on being ahead rather than making a comeback.

Well, they're specifically pointing out it lasts longer the more beat up you are, that's a comeback mechanic if ever I heard one (although yeah I can see it's other uses too).

SirAuronDX

Overdrive sounds pretty cool as its a rather situational thing. rather than buff the opponent immensely like mahvels comeback mechanic everyone gets an improved buff for a time being. Like how my wolf meter for a short time will recharge really quickly if its anything like extends ultimate add-on for the abyss mode then after a few seconds of being out of wolf form it might pop to full in a tick. Hazma gets more damage off his drive and gains his lifesteal ring so i'm enjoying the idea. I'd like to see how long they last for though

Fergus_

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that a new move for Noel. 236C with a C followup, don't remember anything like that.

I hope she gets her haida loop back and comboable 214A grab back too, and I'd like less pushback on Spring Raid.

Naphiel

Well 236C is optic barrel, potentially a follow up to all versions of the move. As if it wasn't good enough already. :pac:
I can't see her getting either of those things back, she really doesn't need either. Both of them gave her crazy midscreen damage for no meter off almost any hit. CS2 Noel was a mistake on ArcSys's part, she really doesn't play like any other version of Noel. She was strong in Extend as well, can't see her getting any major buffs.

Why do you want less pushback on Spring Raid? You can almost always combo after it.

stev0knev022

Fergus_ wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that a new move for Noel. 236C with a C followup, don't remember anything like that.

I hope she gets her haida loop back and comboable 214A grab back too, and I'd like less pushback on Spring Raid.

Noob, that's been in the game since vanilla

Fergus_

Naphiel wrote: »

Well 236C is optic barrel, potentially a follow up to all versions of the move. As if it wasn't good enough already. :pac:
I can't see her getting either of those things back, she really doesn't need either. Both of them gave her crazy midscreen damage for no meter off almost any hit. CS2 Noel was a mistake on ArcSys's part, she really doesn't play like any other version of Noel. She was strong in Extend as well, can't see her getting any major buffs.

Why do you want less pushback on Spring Raid? You can almost always combo after it.

I must be remembering a wrong verison of Noel but one of them had way too much pushback on Spring Raid midscreen and it was really difficult to combo off.

Naphiel

Fergus_ wrote: »

I must be remembering a wrong verison of Noel but one of them had way too much pushback on Spring Raid midscreen and it was really difficult to combo off.

That was CS2. In this you get J.b, jump, J.b, J.c, j.236c.
If you used it early enough in a fatal counter combo you got huge damage by following it up with 6C, J.D and then a 2b pick up.

SirAuronDX

Day 1 Valkenhayn impressions:
*Rasenwolf command changed to direction + D
With this,the wolf break system has been eliminated apparently.
*2C>6B does not connect on a grounded opponent.
*Nacht rosen>[JB>JA]>2C does not work or its really tight.
Seems like they end up being too low for the 2C to hit.
*JC>air DD is difficult to connect.
Hima isn't sure why.
*w.5B does not launch.
w.5B does not cause float on air hit.
*w.5C is a sweep.
*w.JC is a diagonal kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgI2ZQVyrBo

Naphiel

Hakumen's nerfs are worse.
Oh well, it's only the first loketest, there's still plenty of time before things are set in stone.

Ragna got nerfed really badly too.

SirAuronDX

i was discussing there that i think everyones getting nerfed down for the first loketest and seeing what can be built on for the next loke tests. New game new start and the like

Naphiel

Yet Tager get's an air 360 and a diagonal spark bolt. Both confirmed.

Voa

Naphiel wrote: »

Yet Tager get's an air 360 and a diagonal spark bolt. Both confirmed.

I...this is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF1L48CsVZ0

Nutrient

Naphiel wrote: »

Yet Tager get's an air 360 and a diagonal spark bolt. Both confirmed.

SirAuronDX

Naphiel wrote: »

Yet Tager get's an air 360 and a diagonal spark bolt. Both confirmed.

I hate everything and everyone

FirLocke

Titles needs to change to Chrono Phantasmagoria.

It sounds way cooler.

Doctor DooM

An air 360?

If I could be bothered with this game overall, sounds like fun

Voa

OH
MAW

GAAAAIWD

YA'LL STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM BULLET

Serpentine Assault
720A
Frangible: Engage
720A > 720D
Restricted in "Heat Up"
Blackout
720A > 720D > 1080D
Uses another 50 heat

SHE'S MAI WAIFU

K.O.Kiki

Voa wrote: »

OH
MAW

GAAAAIWD

YA'LL STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM BULLET

Serpentine Assault
720A
Frangible: Engage
720A > 720D
Restricted in "Heat Up"
Blackout
720A > 720D > 1080D
Uses another 50 heat

SHE'S MAI WAIFU

Click for boobies.

http://i.imgur.com/QC7M8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pJDWX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wG4Sz.jpg

You're welcome.

Sairus

I gave this a wee spin yesterday because I totally could. :pac:

It took an hour of queuing for 5 minutes of having no idea what I was doing with Bullet, but it was fun enough. The game feels basically no different from the basic CS formula. The people ahead of me were comfortably doing long BnBs with a half dozen characters from the second they sat down.

They did make one massive change though that was pretty surprising: The announcer actually sounds like she can speak English. No more Caruru Crover!
She does slip up with "Look at time!" when the clock runs to 10 seconds, but close enough I guess.

I made a bunch of notes about the differences I noticed, but Dustloop have a pretty good list of changes and whatnot going up here that covers much of what I saw: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?14675-BBCP-System-Changes-Movelist-Translations-and-Loketest-Information-Anything-Else-INFRACTION

Out of the three new guys I liked the look of Amane the best. It's interesting the way all his normals are extreme close range, but his specials all have massive range, but whiff up close. It looked like he has a bit of a floaty jump.
His D involves charging a cloth gauge which powers up his ground drill attacks. All D attacks build up this gauge which slowly drains continuously.

I didn't like using Bullet at all. Her D creates a ring around her, if the opponent steps into this a target reticle appears on the opponent. Releasing D lets you launch a really fast dash attack. If it hits she Heats Up, which allows her to do follow up commands onto her specials and enhances all her D stuff. She moves like Makoto but is all command grabs and dash attacks that trigger a throw animation if they hit.

Azrael seems a bit weird. I didn't see much of him. When he hits the opponent with certain moves he creates high/low weak point indicators. He can modify his specials by adding direction inputs if the opponent has weak points.
I also saw him do something where he did a massive focus attack of some sort. He absorbed a dozen hits from a fireball and an attacking character with no damage or hit stun by doing a taunt looking move where he glowed red. I've seen a few notes about him having a fireball counter, so maybe this is it?
He also has a sick teleport dash that can go through opponents.

Overdrive as an X-Factor analogue doesn't really bother me too much. The fact that it lasts longer at low health (around 5 seconds at full health, 15 at low) is a bit worrying, but the fact that it costs you your bursts, which are so precious in BB I think it's kind of a good trade off.

SirAuronDX

Sairus wrote: »

Azrael seems a bit weird. I didn't see much of him. When he hits the opponent with certain moves he creates high/low weak point indicators. He can modify his specials by adding direction inputs if the opponent has weak points.
I also saw him do something where he did a massive focus attack of some sort. He absorbed a dozen hits from a fireball and an attacking character with no damage or hit stun by doing a taunt looking move where he glowed red. I've seen a few notes about him having a fireball counter, so maybe this is it?

Yeah thats his fireball counter. on startup it hits away opponents near him and this nullifys most projectiles in the game. if he does he can fire a projectile back with his own command. Its been coined the raoh stance for the way he looks during it

K.O.Kiki

Well, well, well...

Sairus

According to someone on Facebook

Noel willingly becomes Mu thanks to rachels powers to try and save Tsubkai.
Thats just stupid
Nu apparently is hinted at having mode changes and Her drive is known as "Unlimited Drive"(Really?) rumour is it swords like her unlimited mode. new move which is good for anti-air apparently.
Mu also has a new astral that isn't ass...literally

Don't know where he got the info. I'm not interested enough to actually go check :pac:

chopperbyrne

Noel is Mu at the end of Continuum Shift anyway.

What's stupid is putting regular Noel back in the game.

Doctor DooM

...ankles.

SirAuronDX

Sairus wrote: »

According to someone on Facebook


Don't know where he got the info. I'm not interested enough to actually go check :pac:

I got it from Dustloop.:pac:

Sairus

SirAuronDX wrote: »

I got it from Dustloop.:pac:

Wasn't sure if that person what someone I actually knew of or not. Good times :pac:

J0hnick

Intro movie just hit Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUNgISYgm8I

Doctor DooM

That trailer was really interesting until it hit 24 seconds and became every other anime trailer ever. lol

K.O.Kiki

Doctor DooM wrote: »

That trailer was really interesting until it hit 24 seconds and became every other anime trailer ever. lol

In fairness, they didn't start talking all Japanese & proudly showing off the VAs for all their silly characters!