Aurora Shooting - MOD Note in post #2

Brown Bomber

Hi Mods,

I'd like to request a thread to actually discuss this topic which excludes people who like to entertain themselves by insulting runtothehills. I think the option is in the charter?

Is this possible? That thread has been trolled to **** tbh and it's encouraging further trolling and while I am interested in the topic all these little digs and outright abuse is rubbing me up the wrong way.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Cheers Humanji.

humanji

Right, third time's a charm. The last two attempts were clusterf*cks of the highest order. As requested, this thread will be about the topic in the OP. Anything outside of this will result in a ban. Anyone wanting to dismiss any related theories out of hand will be banned. If you have valid questions or points to make, then by all means make them. But if you just want to use this thread as a means to insult others, then you will be banned. And just to point out now, the "but I technically didn't break the rules" defence won't save you here. Behave or be banned.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: WE WERE NOT DISCUSSING "THE COMIC" BUT THE "PANEL", SINGULAR! (WHICH I THINK IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME IS COMIC BOOK JARGON FOR THE SECTION WHICH HE POSTED) DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

It's all in this post. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...7&postcount=73

And your interpretation of the panel is not consistent with the rest of the comic. Exactly as the interpretation of the cinema scene is equally out of context and neither promotes or predicts real life events.

So do you believe that the claim that the cinema claim predicts the event or somehow influenced anyone via "predictive programming" have any weight to them at all?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

And your interpretation of the panel is not consistent with the rest of the comic. Exactly as the interpretation of the cinema scene is equally out of context and neither promotes or predicts real life events.

So do you believe that the claim that the cinema claim predicts the event or somehow influenced anyone via "predictive programming" have any weight to them at all?

Please see the post of mine which you've just quoted.

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I'd like to get the ball rolling by sharing this article by Wayned Madsen, EX- NSA and US Navy:

Aurora massacre: Several links between James Holmes and US Gov't research


By Wayne Madsen
Posted: July 23, 2012
WayneMadsenReport.com
WASHINGTON -- James Holmes, the 24-year old suspect in the mass shooting of Batman "The Dark Knight Rises" movie goers in Aurora, Colorado that left 12 people dead and 58 injured, has had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research centers. Holmes's past association with government research projects has prompted police and federal law enforcement officials to order laboratories and schools with which Holmes has had a past association not to talk to the press about Holmes.

Holmes was one of six recipients of a National Institutes of Health Neuroscience Training Grant at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Denver. Holmes is a graduate of the University of California at Riverside with a Bachelor of Science degree in neuroscience. Although Holmes dropped out of the PhD neuroscience program at Anschutz in June, police evacuated two buildings at the Anschutz center after the massacre at the Aurora movie theater. Holmes reportedly gave a presentation at the Anschutz campus in May on Micro DNA Biomarkers in a class titled "Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders."

Initial reports of Holmes having an accomplice in the theater shooting have been discounted by the Aurora police. However, no explanation has been given by police why the Anschutz campus buildings were evacuated after Holmes was already in custody in the Arapahoe County jail.

The Anschutz Medical Campus is on the recently de-commissioned site of the U.S. Army's Fitzsimons Army Medical Center and is named after Philip Anschutz, the billionaire Christian fundamentalist oil and railroad tycoon who also owns The Examiner newspaper chain and website and the neo-conservative Weekly Standard. The Anschutz Medical Campus was built by a $91 million grant from the Anschutz Foundation.

In 2006, at the age of 18, Holmes served as a research intern at the Salk Institute at the University of California at San Diego in La Jolla. It is noteworthy that for the previous two years before Holmes worked at the Salk Institute, the research center was partnered with the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency (DARPA), Columbia University, University of California at San Francisco, University of Wisconsin at Madison, Wake Forest University, and the Mars Company (the manufacturers of Milky Way and Snickers bars) to prevent fatigue in combat troops through the enhanced use of epicatechina, a blood flow-increasing and blood vessel-dilating anti-oxidant flavanol found in cocoa and, particularly, in dark chocolate.

The research was part of a larger DARPA program known as the "Peak Soldier Performance Program," which involved creating brain-machine interfaces for battlefield use, including human-robotic bionics for legs, arms, and eyes. DARPA works closely with the Defense Science Office on projects that include the medical research community. Fitzsimons was at the forefront of DARPA research on the use of brain-connected "neuroprosthetic" limbs forsoldiers amputated or paralyzed in combat.

According to his LinkedIn profile, James Holmes's father, Dr. Robert Holmes, who received a PhD in Statistics in 1981 from the University of California at Berkeley, worked for San Diego-based HNC Software, Inc. from 2000 to 2002. HNC, known as a "neural network" company, and DARPA, beginning in 1998, have worked on developing "cortronic neural networks," which would allow machines to interpret aural and visual stimuli to think like humans. The cortronic concept was developed by HNC Software's chief scientist and co-founder, Robert Hecht-Nielsen. HNC merged with the Minneapolis-based Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO), a computer analysis and decision-making company. Robert Holmes continues to work at FICO.

It has also emerged that Holmes, when he was 20, worked as a camp counselor at Camp Max Straus of the Jewish Big Brothers and Sister of Los Angeles. According to the Jewish Journal, among other tasks, Holmes helped to teach boys between the ages of 7 to 10 archery. In another unusual detail, the car Holmes used to drive to the Aurora movie theater had Tennessee plates. Holmes is originally from San Diego.

James Holmes is the grandson of Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, one of the first Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California. Graduating from the Turkish language class in 1948, Holmes spent a career in the Army, which likely included more than a few intelligence-related assignments. Typically, U.S. military officers conversant in Turkish served with either the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency at either the U.S. embassy in Ankara or the Consulate General in Istanbul, or both.

Terrence Sejnowski, the Francis Crick Professor at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies and the director of the Computational Neurobiology Laboratory, in an interview with Cognitive Science Online in 2008, had the following comment about recent studies of the human brain: "Alan Newell [cognitive psychology researcher at the intelligence community-linked RAND Corporation] once said that when AI [artificial intelligence] was founded not enough was known about the brain to be of any help and in the early 1980s, symbol processing was the only game in town. That has changed and we now know a lot about the brain, perhaps more than we need to know [emphasis added]."

More than we need to know!

The links between the younger and elder Holmes and U.S. government research on creating super-soldiers, human brain-machine interfaces, and human-like robots beg the question: "Was James Holmes engaged in a real-life Jason Bourne TREADSTONE project that broke down and resulted in deadly consequences in Aurora, Colorado?" In any event, if the Batman movies are now serving as a newer version of J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye subliminal messaging triggering mechanism, -- Salinger's novel was of interest to a number of American political assassins -- keep in mind that August 10 is the opening date of The Bourne Legacy. It may be wise to skip that film in the theater for a while.
Copyright 2012 Wayne Madsen Report

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Please see the post of mine which you've just quoted.

But none of it addresses the points I am making.
The panel you were referring to was posted in it's correct context in regards to the rest of comic.
Your interpretation relies on it being out of context as your claim that it supports the idea of handing guns over to the government is contradicted by later parts in the comic.

Just saying that you are only referring to that one panel is not an argument in favour of you interpretation.

Nor does you post give an indication of whether or not you believe that the theory about "predictive programming" has any weight.

Brown Bomber

Just to point out as well that Holmes' profile is somewhat similar to the unambombers pre pschyothic break in that they were both highly intelligent and socially deficent. The unabomber was a student at Harvard at 16 and it is confirmed that he underwent MKULTRA experiments at the university.

EDIT: King Mob, please see post 3 of this thread.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

EDIT: King Mob, please see post 3 of this thread.

Which again does not address anything I am saying. Could you please be more clear because I don't think I can be any clearer.

Taking stuff out of context does not allow you to understand it better. You took the panel out of context and misunderstood it.

And you still have not addressed my question about whether or not you believe the idea of predictive programming is valid. Could you please answer it?

al28283

Nearly all of what is contained in the article is very circumstantial. In that it is only relevant if you assume there was some kind of "programming" from the outset.

It also includes some very unfounded speculation. i.e his father military career "likely included more than a few intelligence-related assignments." Ther's no info given that he actually did, that is, at best, guesswork. And that this work constitutes links with "U.S. government research on creating super-soldiers, human brain-machine interfaces, and human-like robots". Even at a stretch thats pushing it.

As for evacuating the Medical campus where he used to attend, it was to probably the right call to clear out the college he recently dropped out of. They knew he had planted explosives in other places so it's not crazy to suspect he may have planted them there.

gibraltar

before this thread continues is it possible to state what the theory is?

This might be difficult but perhaps it could be facilitated by stating an brief outline of the the theory followed by evidence that supports that point of view?

Just a suggestion as the last thread did not seem to have a consistent theory.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

King Mob wrote: »

Which again does not address anything I am saying. Could you please be more clear because I don't think I can be any clearer.

Taking stuff out of context does not allow you to understand it better. You took the panel out of context and misunderstood it.

And you still have not addressed my question about whether or not you believe the idea of predictive programming is valid. Could you please answer it?

This questioning re validity is with what intent,predictive programming its not strictly scientific now is it,so why this focus,what is the issue ?

Jonny7

Quite a few people are highly intelligent and socially deficient.

Tying the shooter to e.g. Ted Kaczynsky based on these two attributes is however quite tenuous.

It's early days yet, we know very little, so speculation and conspiracy theories are rife among sites and forums much like virtually every other high profile shooting e.g.

Virginia tech (also MK Ultra speculation)
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm
"Early details suggest Columbine-style set-up to justify mass gun control, VA Tech has "blood on their hands," banned concealed carry, disarming victims"
Anders Breivik - MK Ultra
http://21stcenturywire.com/2011/07/27/mind-control-was-norway-shooter-an-mk-ultra-manchurian-candidate/
George Zimmerman - MK Ultra
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/04/04/18710755.php
Oikos University Shooting - MK Ultra
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=230549.0

Brown Bomber

James Holmes is the grandson of Lt. Col. Robert Holmes, one of the first Turkish language graduates of the Army Language School, later the Defense Language Institute, in Monterey, California. Graduating from the Turkish language class in 1948, Holmes spent a career in the Army, which likely included more than a few intelligence-related assignments. Typically, U.S. military officers conversant in Turkish served with either the Defense Intelligence Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency at either the U.S. embassy in Ankara or the Consulate General in Istanbul, or both.

Could this be the same guy?

1958-1960 [SIZE=-1]Special Committee on Life Sciences[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]NASA Administrator[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Capt Norman Barr, M. D., Naval Bureau of Medicine[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Lt Cmbr lohn Ebersole, M. D., Naval Fleet Medical Officer[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Gen. Donald Flickinger, M. D., USAF Director of Bioastronautics[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Lt. Col Robert Holmes, M. D., Army Medical Research and Development Command[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Wright Langham, Ph. D., Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Robert Livingston, M. D., NIMH[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Orr Reynolds, Ph.D., DoD Office of Research and Engineering[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Boyd C Myers, NASA, Secretary[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4213/appd.htm
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In November 1957, the month in which the President’s Scientific Advisory Committee was established, NACA set up a Special Committee on Space Technology under the chairmanship of Dr. H. Guyford Stever of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.



The Stever Committee met, for the first time on February 13, 1958, and established seven working groups. The group named to study human factors and training was headed by Dr. W. Randolph Lovelace II, director of the Lovelace Foundation for Medical Education and Research.[SIZE=-1]8[/SIZE] This group concerned itself with the scientific and nonmilitary biomedical requirements for manned space flight, as well as other biological factors that should be part of a national space program.*
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4003/ch1-2.htm

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From: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/meet7/trsc07b.txt

BEFORE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS MEETING NUMBER 7 Day 2 of 3 October 12, 1994 San Francisco, California USA

During the time that I lived on the 25 Sandia Base another member of the National 1 Association of Radiation Survivors named Dottie 2 Troxell said that she was used for human experiments 3 at the Lovelace Clinic by doctors from Sandia Base.

While I lived at Sandia Base the 12 Mercury astronauts went through many extreme medical 13 tests at the Lovelace Clinic. Astronaut Pete Conrad 14 said, "It seemed as though they had unlimited funding 15 to try anything they wanted." 16 Astronaut Deke Slayton said, "We were a 17 bunch of well patients being treated by sick 18 doctors."

She was 6 then sent to Lovelace Clinic in Albuquerque, New 7 Mexico, where again under the pretense of treating 8 some idiopathic dysfunctions, she was given a 9 splenectomy, another experimental treatment developed 10 in the aftermath of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki 11 bombings, and later was studied at the Argonne 12 National Laboratory and Lovelace.

When 15 Dottie woke up after the surgery she found a scar 16 that ran the length of her torso from her neck to her 17 pubic mound. 18 When she asked what had been done to 19 her, a reasonable question under the circumstances, 20 she was told she could not be told because of, quote, 21 national security, unquote. We never have been able 22 to find out definitely what was done to Dottie at 23 Lovelace.

For 30 years Lovelace not only refused 25 to release her medical records, but denied she had
1 ever been a patient there. When I went to Lovelace 2 in 1986 in order to investigate Dottie's case, I was 3 told that not only was there no record of any patient 4 names Dorothea Troxell,

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"MKULTRA activity is connected with the research and development of chemical,
biological and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine
operations to control human behaviour"

From declassified MKULTRA documents
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c010.htm

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Brown Bomber

al28283 wrote: »

Nearly all of what is contained in the article is very circumstantial. In that it is only relevant if you assume there was some kind of "programming" from the outset.

It also includes some very unfounded speculation. i.e his father military career "likely included more than a few intelligence-related assignments." Ther's no info given that he actually did, that is, at best, guesswork. And that this work constitutes links with "U.S. government research on creating super-soldiers, human brain-machine interfaces, and human-like robots". Even at a stretch thats pushing it.

As for evacuating the Medical campus where he used to attend, it was to probably the right call to clear out the college he recently dropped out of. They knew he had planted explosives in other places so it's not crazy to suspect he may have planted them there.

No. At best it's an inference which I would imagine draws on his experience in both the military and intelligence fields.

Brown Bomber

gibraltar wrote: »

before this thread continues is it possible to state what the theory is?

This might be difficult but perhaps it could be facilitated by stating an brief outline of the the theory followed by evidence that supports that point of view?

Just a suggestion as the last thread did not seem to have a consistent theory.

Okay, to be clear this is not a thread where I am saying X happened. I don't know what happened. It is for exploraion of alternative possibilities to the event.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

and conspiracy theories are rife among sites and forums much like virtually every other high profile shooting e.g.

How is the above relevant to the thread?

King Mob
So do you believe that the claim that the cinema claim predicts the event or somehow influenced anyone via "predictive programming" have any weight to them at all?

No.

Torakx

Has he made any statements yet?
Or is there any word on his plea in court?
Sorry im a bit behind on this one.

I am getting the feeling alot of incidents like this have previously been linked in a similar way.
Is it that easy to link criminals/murderers history to the gov/army or is it just these types of cases?

Maybe we should be taking a list, as i think johnny posted and start making comparisons in various areas.
See what they have in common.
Just seems like the same thing again at first glance.

What evidence is there that he has a neurological condition or psychological.
I think i read above he did/attended a lecture of some kind related to neurology.

macshadow

FBI theater attack warning issued on may 17, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to&feature=player_detailpage

enno99

Torakx wrote: »

I am getting the feeling alot of incidents like this have previously been linked in a similar way.
Is it that easy to link criminals/murderers history to the gov/army or is it just these types of cases?

Sorry BB dont want to drag your thread off topic but this is a really good read

I just wanted to post it while it was in my head and I hope it dont get discussed here


http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation

Parts 1-14

Jim Morrison of "The Doors"



One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough though, the self-proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.

And so it is that, even while the father is actively conspiring to fabricate an incident (gulf of tonkin) that will be used to massively accelerate an illegal war, the son is positioning himself to become an icon of the ‘hippie’/anti-war crowd. Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. It is, you know, a small world and all that. And it is not as if Jim Morrison’s story is in any way unique.

I read this a couple of years ago just noticed he has added some more parts

hard to describe it has.. rock stars/ movie stars /CIA /secret film studios/mk ultra

Parts 15-21

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

hooradiation

macshadow wrote: »

FBI theater attack warning issued on may 17, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9aVMfYR8to&feature=player_detailpage

Given that was released nearly three months ago, as a direct response to an attack in somalia (though not of a cinema, but of the national theatre - the connection being lots of people in an enclosed space) there's not a lot to associate it to this tragedy.

Unless you're specifically looking to make a connection that doesn't exist.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It is for exploraion of alternative possibilities to the event.

Alternative possibilities to what? There's nothing to be alternative to yet.

Searching for alternative possibilities automatically assumes you will disagree with something before it even happens.

enno99 wrote: »

Curiously enough though, the self-proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.

So this I suppose negates any reason to assume that a link between James Holmes and Lt. Col. Robert Holmes is relevant in any way.

Run_to_da_hills

A local Fox News channel came off sounding more like Alex Jones than the mainstream media when it listed a series of unanswered questions that challenge the official narrative of the ‘Batman’ massacre and suggest a wider plot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeW_-Kq7vA

http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A local Fox News channel came off sounding more like Alex Jones than the mainstream media when it listed a series of unanswered questions that challenge the official narrative of the ‘Batman’ massacre and suggest a wider plot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeW_-Kq7vA

http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre

Well yes, Ben Swann does sound like a complete tool.

Let's see

'point' 1 - How did this student afford these weapons?
Let's see. It could have come from the $26,000 federal grant that he was awarded. That'd cover it and I guess someone actually asked this question... which kinda flies in the face of the narrative that these questions aren't being asked, doesn't it?
Secondly, being a PhD student doesn't make you unemployed, being a PhD student IS YOUR JOB.
Thirdly - we're assuming all this was bought at once. Apparently, buying things piecemeal over time is just not something wunderjurno Ben Swann ever considered.


'point' 2 - A graduate student in neuroscience can't make bombs?

Yes, apparently someone clever enough to get into a prestigious PhD in neuroscience couldn't display an aptitude in any other area.
This isn't even a "nobody is asking these questions" as much as it is - "I am arguing from incredulity". Simply because you're pretending that someone with sufficient motivation can't learn or figure out how to create their own explosive devices doesn't make it impossible or a reasonable question.

point' 2.5 - Y U TELL PEOPLE

Yes, apparently people who decide to shoot theatres full of people don't have the most obvious of motivations.
Of course, this isn't a "why is nobody asking this" at all - people are asking what Mr Holmes motivation was, everyone wants to know. Which would cover this... so Mr Swann is either dishonest or an idiot.


point' 3 - DID HE WORK ALONE?

the narrative is this question isn't being asked... which is a lie in and of itself.

But, the 'evidence' for an accomplice is that
1] he took a call.
- No, he appeared to take a call and then left using a fire exit, the same fire exit he would then use to re-enter. Protip kids, you don't need to recieve an actual call in order to look like you are. There are "fake incoming call" apps for smart phones and if he's a bit of a luddite - simply play your fucking ringtone. looks like you're taking a call.

2] the second canister came from the other side
I'm going to point out that people aren't calm under that kind of pressure and movie theatres are dark. I'm certain people believe it might have come from a certain direction, that does not make it so.
Also, a sample size of three/four people from a crowd of how many? not compelling.

And finally

"questions we don't have answers to and may never have answers to"
What a dishonest piece of 'journalism', no wonder people hold fox 'news' in such contempt.

Run_to_da_hills

I wouldn't be surprised if James Holmes "commits suicide" aka induced overdose before he gets to a fair trial.

By that time the Authorities would have achieved their goals and would be concentrating on their next move, maybe the Gym or Sports centre the next time.

Corkfeen

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if James Holmes "commits suicide" aka induced overdose before he gets to a fair trial.

By that time the Authorities would have achieved their goals and would be concentrating on their next move, maybe the Gym or Sports centre the next time.

You said it was to remove second amendment rights before....Now it's been reduced to advanced bookings of tickets...

hooradiation

Corkfeen wrote: »

You said it was to remove second amendment rights before....Now it's been reduced to advanced bookings of tickets...

The best part of this argument - gun sales have actually spiked after this.

This seems appropriate right now.

Torakx

How about the question of why he informed the cops he rigged his apartment?

If he is "crazy" enough to kill a load of people, what possible reasons would he have to stop them from entering his home and hurting more people.

Suddenly feels guilty? i doubt that.

Fear of getting into more trouble? i think he is deep enough in the sh1t that shouldnt be too much of an issue,considering what he has already done.
Unless he was mk'd and remembers or knew about someone rigging his place.

Im open to more ideas.

Oh i think also if he was mentally unstable and that is the reason he acted in the first place with this complex plan.he couldnt be insane if he then turns around and sabotages his own plan.
Im not well read up on temporary insanity(to this degree).Im not sure if that exists outside mind control.

al28283

Torakx wrote: »

How about the question of why he informed the cops he rigged his apartment?

If he is "crazy" enough to kill a load of people, what possible reasons would he have to stop them from entering his home and hurting more people.

Suddenly feels guilty? i doubt that.

Fear of getting into more trouble? i think he is deep enough in the sh1t that shouldnt be too much of an issue,considering what he has already done.
Unless he was mk'd and remembers or knew about someone rigging his place.

Im open to more ideas.

Oh i think also if he was mentally unstable and that is the reason he acted in the first place with this complex plan.he couldnt be insane if he then turns around and sabotages his own plan.
Im not well read up on temporary insanity(to this degree).Im not sure if that exists outside mind control.

I'm guessing he did it for show, possibly theres something in his apartment he wants people to see, a manifesto or something similar. After reading some of the stuff that went on in the theatre I don't at all think he feels guilty, some sick stuff.

I don't believe he was "mk'd". even if it is possible to make someone do something like that I doubt they could make him enjoy it seems he did.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Im not well read up on temporary insanity(to this degree).Im not sure if that exists outside mind control.

Hundreds of serial killers, psychopaths, mass murderers, spree shooters have not been "mind-controlled".

They all have their motives, sane or insane.

hooradiation

Torakx wrote: »

How about the question of why he informed the cops he rigged his apartment?

If he is "crazy" enough to kill a load of people, what possible reasons would he have to stop them from entering his home and hurting more people.

You're trying to determine the motives of someone who decided to open fire on a crowded theatre - good luck with that.
Also, you're arguing from incredulity. "I can't comprehend why, therefore suspicious" which is poor reasoning.

Torakx wrote: »

Oh i think also if he was mentally unstable and that is the reason he acted in the first place with this complex plan.he couldnt be insane if he then turns around and sabotages his own plan.

Given that insanity actually means abnormal behaviour (this is one of those scenarios where a word has a specific meaning in context and a colloquial one, and people confuse the two) this sabotaging of his own plan falls well within that scope.

Torakx

haha ok point taken.
If he was insane who knows what he would do.
But as menioned he must have been quite intelligent or smart enough to know he was already screwed the moment he got caught.
Whats the motive to come clean about the rest of his plan which would probably have suceeded aswell had he not interrupted it.

I mean its easy to label someone insane when they do something of this level of violence.
A person who had undergone the now stereotyped mk ultra, would possibly act in a very similar way.
Which makes it easy to say he was insane(blanket statement/diagnosis) and hard to diagnose it as mk style harrassment/abuse.

I would think one of the few mk signatures is suicidal tendencies after the act.

DB21

I reckon he thought the bombs in his apartment would have been triggered by the time he was caught. Think about it; two terrorist attacks within minutes of each other. Enough of a spotlight for this psychopath, I would think. The panic and chaos would be massive.

enno99

Read some posts on another forum ( they were listening in on scanners at the time)

regulars of the theatre said that they hired off duty officers


A couple of posts form the site

I find it interesting/odd that when I was at this theater last week on a Tuesday night, there were about 6 cops hanging out in the lobby. I wasn't sure if it was for a call, because they were really loitering.

I'm not saying they should have been there, I'm sure they have better things to do than babysit a movie theater

That theater regularly hires about 5 officers for off duty work...Why they weren't there last night would only be because the theater didn't want to hire them

The theater contracts off duty officers as security , one of my buddies works that gig a lot .

Seems strange that they did not hire them on the night of the most anticipated movie of the year

I would imagine A midnight showing groups of teens possibly a few beers out for a craic

That they would ramp up security (off duty cops would be carrying I presume)


also reports of a security guard causing problems for the cops

Just heard: "Stop the security guard, he's causing problems for the officers."

How dumb does that mall cop have to be?

enno99

MSNBC reports that public records show Holmes lived with two roommates at the apartment, which is reserved for students, faculty and staff from the medical campus

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/20/alleged-gunman-a-quiet-and-easy-going-neurosciences-drop-out

how come they never noticed that arsenal he had and all that bomb making equipment

Could they have been his handlers ?

enno99

The diary of 24-year-old James Holmes -- "full of details about how he was going to kill people" -- was discovered Monday by authorities investigating another package at the school's Anschutz medical campus in Aurora, a law enforcement official told the network. The source also said that the package had been in the mailroom since July 12.

UPDATE: Original reports that said the notebook lay unopened for days before the attack may be inaccurate. The Denver Post reports that Holmes sent the package to his therapist on Friday -- the day of the shooting -- and that it arrived in the mailroom on Monday.

The notebook, intended for a psychiatrist who also teaches at the university, reveals haunting sketches with stick-figure assailants carrying out the attack.

“There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre," police told Fox News


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/james-holmes-sent-notebook-psychiatrist_n_1702216.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

convenient or what ?

al28283

enno99 wrote: »

convenient or what ?

Not at all

enno99

Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes claims amnesia

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289#ixzz21lcqkk7V


“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”

Sirhan Sirhan springs to mind


A lawyer for Sirhan Sirhan, the confessed assassin of Robert F. Kennedy, plans to present new evidence at a parole board hearing suggesting that he did not act alone, was potentially brain washed and cannot remember anything about the 43-year-old shooting.

"There is no question he was hypno-programmed," lawyer William F. Pepper told ABCNews.com. "He was set up. He was used. He was manipulated."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-kennedys-killer-sirhan-sirhan-brainwashed/story?id=13029050#.UBG6q6Bi5kg

al28283

enno99 wrote: »

Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes claims amnesia

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-claims-amnesia-article-1.1122289#ixzz21lcqkk7V


“He claims he doesn’t know why he’s in jail,” the worker said Thursday. “He asked, ‘Why am I here?’”

That's almost definately step 1 in a lawyers guide to defending a mass murderer. The only option is to plead insanity and amnesia is a big factor in it.

enno99

al28283 wrote: »

Not at all

when I get through reading all that I might reply

enno99

al28283 wrote: »

That's almost definately step 1 in a lawyers guide to defending a mass murderer. The only option is to plead insanity and amnesia is a big factor in it.

What you think dying your hair red and telling everybody your a character out of a comic book wouldn't cut it

Run_to_da_hills

I was waiting for this.

"US president takes election risk, saying parties should co-operate and assault weapons 'do not belong on our streets'

Barack Obama has broken the silence he has maintained on gun control since the Colorado shootings, making a plea for Democrats, Republicans and community leaders to "arrive at a consensus" on how to reduce gun violence across the United States."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/26/obama-gun-control-deal-aurora

Quatermain

Why exactly do you think assault weapons are so awesome? Why is their being taken out of the hands of the mentally ill a problem?

You want a gun to defend yourself? Fine. You want a gun capable of sawing through a human being with armour-piercing bullets? We may have a disagreement.

Run_to_da_hills

Quatermain wrote: »

Why exactly do you think assault weapons are so awesome? Why is their being taken out of the hands of the mentally ill a problem?

You want a gun to defend yourself? Fine. You want a gun capable of sawing through a human being with armour-piercing bullets? We may have a disagreement.

Propaganda Warning

This is why people have an issue with Gun control.

Quatermain

Why? Because I don't want a lunatic riddling my family with bullets? Your terrible photoshop proves nothing.

And how about the countries that have very strict gun laws, and see considerably lower rates of gun crime? Are you literally saying that America is only free because it provides access to weapons? What is your reasoning here?

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This is why people have an issue with Gun control.

(Propaganda Warning)

I think it's very telling of your position that you know the crap images your post are propaganda, yet have no issue whatsoever posting them.

Run_to_da_hills

Quatermain wrote: »

Why? Because I don't want a lunatic riddling my family with bullets? Your terrible photoshop proves nothing.

And how about the countries that have very strict gun laws, and see considerably lower rates of gun crime? Are you literally saying that America is only free because it provides access to weapons? What is your reasoning here?

And would you like to be able to defend yourself against a lunatic if he started to shooting indiscriminately at your family or would you prefer to wait until the law departments arrive and by that time members of your family including yourself be dead on the ground.

Lunatics will always find some way of arming themselves and no restrictions or lifting of the 2nd amendment will stop them,

Quatermain

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And would you like to be able to defend yourself against a lunatic if he started to shooting indiscriminately at your family or would you prefer to wait until the law departments arrive and by that time members of your family including yourself be dead on the ground.

Lunatics will always find some way of arming themselves and no restrictions or lifting of the 2nd amendment will stop them,

You're not getting my point. I think you'll find it's slightly easier to defend yourself against someone with a knife or a hurley than it is to fend off someone with a hand-cannon or uzi.

Your view here seems to be "if they ban guns, then only villains will have guns". Since this is the case, give everyone a gun! Do you not see how dangerous that is?

hooradiation

enno99 wrote: »

The diary of 24-year-old James Holmes -- "full of details about how he was going to kill people" -- was discovered Monday by authorities investigating another package at the school's Anschutz medical campus in Aurora, a law enforcement official told the network. The source also said that the package had been in the mailroom since July 12.

UPDATE: Original reports that said the notebook lay unopened for days before the attack may be inaccurate. The Denver Post reports that Holmes sent the package to his therapist on Friday -- the day of the shooting -- and that it arrived in the mailroom on Monday.

The notebook, intended for a psychiatrist who also teaches at the university, reveals haunting sketches with stick-figure assailants carrying out the attack.

“There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre," police told Fox News


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/james-holmes-sent-notebook-psychiatrist_n_1702216.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

convenient or what ?

Not at all.
Unsurfuckingprisingly, people who commit these acts (remember Virgina Tech and Seung-Hui Cho?) often have a history of warning signs that go ignored until after the fact.


Because mental illness is often perceived as 'weakness' and not illness so fuck spending money on it.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And would you like to be able to defend yourself against a lunatic if he started to shooting indiscriminately at your family or would you prefer to wait until the law departments arrive and by that time members of your family including yourself be dead on the ground.

Ahh, the fantasy of the everyman hero, who will magically protect all that is dear to him by virtue of him having a gun.
pathetic.

Corkfeen

Obama is objecting to the ownership of assault rifles, there is absolutely no reason why the public should own them... Secondly firing back against a shooter in a public place is liable to cause far more deaths....Between stray bullets and the average publics lack of training, it would be absurd to think they'd be better off as a result. All you're doing is posting right wing propaganda that claim Obama is stealing their guns..

Run_to_da_hills

Corkfeen wrote: »

Obama is objecting to the ownership of assault rifles, there is absolutely no reason why the public should own them...

In the 2nd world war plenty of unarmed civilian Jews and dissidents could have done with assault rifle as the storm troopers were kicking down doors. Of course we would never have a repeat of anything like that again.

Quatermain

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In the 2nd world war plenty of unarmed civilian Jews and dissidents could have done with assault rifle as the storm troopers were kicking down doors. Of course we would never have a repeat of anything like that again.

That is a pretty ridiculous argument. Also, as someone whose living relatives include survivors of the pogroms, it's also a pretty sick one.

And, of course, of we won't see a repeat, then what's the problem?