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Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

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    #1052
    giggle84
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    lol. Clearly an expert on the subject.


    Good one. Clearly a smart arse.


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    #1053
    Laneyh
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Laneyh


    giggle84 wrote: »
    Don't you mean condolences to those who were stabbed? The people who died killed themselves with drugs. I don't know anything about these people, might have been the nicest people ever, but if you take drugs you know the risks and if you die, well it wasn't worth the risk then was it. I feel sorry for their families at the senseless loss they must feel, but if you risk your life by swallowing/snorting/injecting something that's probably laced with rat poison, cement and god knows what else, well then you don't deserve any sympathy.

    That is incredibly harsh. Even if someone committed suicide I would offer condolences to those affected. Making a bad choice or exercising poor judgement hardly means you deserve to die or are undeserving of sympathy.
    When the Irish fan drowned in Poland nobody berated his friends for losing track of him or said he should've known better than to drink to excess and go near water. Things happen to people, they can have underlying medical conditions , they can come to a misadventure, they can drink to excess and body can't handle it, maybe the odds of something bad happening increase with taking an unregulated substance but writing them off just for that is a bit much


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    #1054
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Such a silly post. Did I suggest banning any other drugs?

    Your views and that of others are actually the reason why this country isnt moving on with the times. Keep saying drugs are terrible and keep drinking alcohol. Stupid people in this country
    It's pretty apparent you have no clue what my views on drugs are and are spoofing out of your hole.


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    #1055
    Halloran springs
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Halloran springs


    Laneyh wrote: »
    When the Irish fan drowned in Poland nobody berated his friends for losing track of him or said he should've known better than to drink to excess and go near water.

    Maybe if more emphasis was placed on reporting the dangers of excessive alcohol consumption, and not on "heaven has gained another angel bla bla bla pillar of the community" crap - then tragedies like that wouldn't happen as often.


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    #1056
    Vinta81
    Registered Users Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭Vinta81


    Nodin wrote: »
    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Some of the things she said I didn't see at all.


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    #1057
    giggle84
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    Laneyh wrote: »
    That is incredibly harsh. Even if someone committed suicide I would offer condolences to those affected. Making a bad choice or exercising poor judgement hardly means you deserve to die or are undeserving of sympathy.
    When the Irish fan drowned in Poland nobody berated his friends for losing track of him or said he should've known better than to drink to excess and go near water. Things happen to people, they can have underlying medical conditions , they can come to a misadventure, they can drink to excess and body can't handle it, maybe the odds of something bad happening increase with taking an unregulated substance but writing them off just for that is a bit much


    If someone drank 10 pints, got behind the wheel, and crashed killing themselves and maybe someone else, would you feel sorry for them? I wouldn't. Maybe it is incredibly harsh. There's a difference between someone making a decision to drive drunk and someone who drinks too much and has an accident such as falling into a river in a town they are unfamiliar with. These people didn't meet some misadventure, they put a substance in their body that is illegal, unregulated and unsafe and they died. It's sad for their families and I absolutely offer my condolences to them, as I would to the family of a suicide victim or the family of that Polish guy who killed the couple from Cork in the UK. But I don't feel sorry for him and I don't feel sorry people who die from drug overdoses. If that's harsh then it's harsh, but I'm not trying to offend anyone.


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    #1058
    RoscommonTom
    Registered Users Posts: 918 ✭✭✭RoscommonTom


    It's ridicirous they can't just enjoy the music and craic and instead have to start scrapping in the muck and stabbing etc etc what is wrong with that generation? Too much mollycoddling in the Celtic tiger years maybe.:mad:


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    #1059
    Sappa
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    One thing is for sure,they won't be getting permits for another concert like this again thank fcuk.


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    #1060
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    So we're all agreed with Nodin then, there is nothing to be done, nothing to see here?


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    #1061
    Ash.J.Williams
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    giggle84 wrote: »
    If someone drank 10 pints, got behind the wheel, and crashed killing themselves and maybe someone else, would you feel sorry for them? I wouldn't. Maybe it is incredibly harsh. There's a difference between someone making a decision to drive drunk and someone who drinks too much and has an accident such as falling into a river in a town they are unfamiliar with. These people didn't meet some misadventure, they put a substance in their body that is illegal, unregulated and unsafe and they died. It's sad for their families and I absolutely offer my condolences to them, as I would to the family of a suicide victim or the family of that Polish guy who killed the couple from Cork in the UK. But I don't feel sorry for him and I don't feel sorry people who die from drug overdoses. If that's harsh then it's harsh, but I'm not trying to offend anyone.
    Many people who were sexually abused died from overdoses


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    #1062
    Bad Panda
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    giggle84 wrote: »
    If someone drank 10 pints, got behind the wheel, and crashed killing themselves and maybe someone else, would you feel sorry for them? I wouldn't. Maybe it is incredibly harsh. There's a difference between someone making a decision to drive drunk and someone who drinks too much and has an accident such as falling into a river in a town they are unfamiliar with. These people didn't meet some misadventure, they put a substance in their body that is illegal, unregulated and unsafe and they died. It's sad for their families and I absolutely offer my condolences to them, as I would to the family of a suicide victim or the family of that Polish guy who killed the couple from Cork in the UK. But I don't feel sorry for him and I don't feel sorry people who die from drug overdoses. If that's harsh then it's harsh, but I'm not trying to offend anyone.


    Not really comparable - when someone takes drugs at a concert they're really only affecting themselves.

    When someone drinks and then opts to get behind the wheel they're endangering themselves and everyone else on the road.


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    #1063
    Clanket
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    Sappa wrote: »
    One thing is for sure,they won't be getting permits for another concert like this again thank fcuk.

    David Guetta in Marley Park in August. Probably wont be as bad because Marley Park is a bit out of the way but there'll definately be trouble at that gig.


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    #1064
    [Deleted User]
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    So we're all agreed with Nodin then, there is nothing to be done, nothing to see here?
    More drink!


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    #1065
    giggle84
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Many people who were sexually abused died from overdoses


    At concerts in the Phoenix Park?


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    #1066
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    RoscommonTom wrote: »
    It's ridicirous they can't just enjoy the music and craic and instead have to start scrapping in the muck and stabbing etc etc what is wrong with that generation? Too much mollycoddling in the Celtic tiger years maybe.:mad:

    in all fairness i think 44,900 of the people that went did enjoy the music and the craic out of the 45,000 that attended

    this isnt somethin new that happened saturday, it happens in every city centre around Ireland every weekend and it has been for years


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    #1067
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Does anyone else find part in red to be ominous :
    SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA, the band who headlined Saturday night’s gig at the Phoenix Park in Dublin have issued a brief statement today.

    Writing on their Facebook page the band said that they have asked for all the information and are planning to liase with promoters MCD directly on what they can do to help.

    They also said that they have been requested by the promoters to “remain quiet and respectful of their event safety processes”..

    Source : http://www.thejournal.ie/swedish-house-mafia-make-statement-following-phoenix-park-incidents-514724-Jul2012/


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    #1068
    Higher
    Site Banned Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭Higher


    RoscommonTom wrote: »
    It's ridicirous they can't just enjoy the music and craic and instead have to start scrapping in the muck and stabbing etc etc what is wrong with that generation? Too much mollycoddling in the Celtic tiger years maybe.:mad:

    I have feeling that most of the people involved in the violence on Saturday were very much the losers of the Celtic Tiger years actually.

    The problem is they have no respect for our police from a young age because our police are soft and cowardly. Essentially they have no fear for authority and feel they can act however they want.


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    #1069
    giggle84
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    Bad Panda wrote: »
    Not really comparable - when someone takes drugs at a concert they're really only affecting themselves.

    When someone drinks and then opts to get behind the wheel they're endangering themselves and everyone else on the road.


    It affects the people who get stabbed!

    But you're right it is generally a bit different. Not everyone who takes drugs stabs people and not everyone who drinks drives drunk. But I don't feel sorry for the drunk who wraps his car around a tree and I don't feel sorry for the concert reveller who takes a drug that he doesn't have any idea what's actually in it, and then dies.


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    #1070
    [Deleted User]
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    Why is the guy who is being charged with 4(??) stabbings only being charged with assault causing harm, and not some sort of attempted murder charge?


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    #1071
    smileyj1987
    Registered Users Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    Bambi wrote: »
    lol, you really think security can give tens of thousands of people anything more than the most cursory of checks, even with metal detectors? they'd have people queuing up until the next day. It's very easy to get knives past gig security.

    Just employ more people and have a one on one check and open the gates abit earlier . It looks like they will have to review their checks . I would also say if anybody refuses a check they are not allowed in . They should also be allowed deny entry to drunk people aswell .


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    #1072
    [Deleted User]
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    Higher wrote: »
    I have feeling that most of the people involved in the violence on Saturday were very much the losers of the Celtic Tiger years actually.

    The problem is they have no respect for our police from a young age because our police are soft and cowardly. .
    What? unlike their parents?


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    #1073
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Why is the guy who is being charged with 4(??) stabbings only being charged with assault causing harm, and not some sort of attempted murder charge?

    Because it's unfortunate but most charges seem to be based on the extent of the injuries sustained.

    I personally feel that if you stab someone you should be charged with attempted murder. It's not like you are trying to help them scratch an itch.


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    #1074
    Sappa
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    Clanket wrote: »
    Sappa wrote: »
    One thing is for sure,they won't be getting permits for another concert like this again thank fcuk.

    David Guetta in Marley Park in August. Probably wont be as bad because Marley Park is a bit out of the way but there'll definately be trouble at that gig.
    Recipe for disaster I'm afraid,if I had kids no way would I let them go to this as it's predictable a certain type of music genre attracts a good number of scumbags intent on causing trouble and spoiling what should be a good event.


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    #1075
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    giggle84 wrote: »
    It affects the people who get stabbed!

    But you're right it is generally a bit different. Not everyone who takes drugs stabs people and not everyone who drinks drives drunk. But I don't feel sorry for the drunk who wraps his car around a tree and I don't feel sorry for the concert reveller who takes a drug that he doesn't have any idea what's actually in it, and then dies.

    Some high horse you're riding around on there ! The world isn't that black and white. The deceased might well have been impressionable and influenced by their peers, tried it for the first time, been spiked, any number of factors could have led them to take whatever the took. It's tragic and sad, your lack of empathy is a bit jarring.


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    #1076
    AnonoBoy
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    But every time you take (some) drugs, there's a chance you're going to do something that doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Like stab people.

    I've taken a fair few drugs in my youth - if the lad in question was on drugs chances are I've taken the same as him at some point. I've never had the inclination to stab anyone though, in fact I've never been in trouble while on drugs at all.


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    #1077
    giggle84
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭giggle84


    smileyj1987 wrote: »
    You must not see the point i am trying to make then , how they got anything in to use as a weapon is disgraceful . The security at this concert deserve some of the blame for the crap that went down . Last time I was a gig in the phoenix park I had a bag on my back and was asked to empty it and they checked every where in it . They also should have metal detectors at concerts too because you shouldn't be able to get a weapon or anything you could stab somebody with into a concert .


    To be fair to MCD, at the gates they did a pretty good job of searching people, they can't do a full body search on 45,000 people, I'd still be in the queue! Security inside was another matter, absolutely minimal at best. But if the knackers didn't get their knives in they'd just use their fists, or shoes or plastic forks from the burger vans. These people will cause damage any way they can, they have no morals.


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    #1078
    [Deleted User]
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    I am pie wrote: »
    It's tragic and sad, your lack of empathy is a bit jarring.

    It's only tragic and sad to those who have taken similar drugs and thought "that could've been me".
    There's millions of other tragic and sad things happening in society, drug overdoses shouldn't makes us all stop and go, "dear god how could you let this happen".
    It's only sad and tragic for the families IMO, and i feel sympathy for them.


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    #1079
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Sappa wrote: »
    Recipe for disaster I'm afraid,if I had kids no way would I let them go to this as it's predictable a certain type of music genre attracts a good number of scumbags intent on causing trouble and spoiling what should be a good event.

    Hopefully there is more event security and more garda controlling the OTT drinking on the way in.

    Maybe a bit of sun would have everyone in better form !


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    #1080
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,313 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    giggle84 wrote: »
    If someone drank 10 pints, got behind the wheel, and crashed killing themselves and maybe someone else, would you feel sorry for them? I wouldn't. Maybe it is incredibly harsh. There's a difference between someone making a decision to drive drunk and someone who drinks too much and has an accident such as falling into a river in a town they are unfamiliar with. These people didn't meet some misadventure, they put a substance in their body that is illegal, unregulated and unsafe and they died. It's sad for their families and I absolutely offer my condolences to them, as I would to the family of a suicide victim or the family of that Polish guy who killed the couple from Cork in the UK. But I don't feel sorry for him and I don't feel sorry people who die from drug overdoses. If that's harsh then it's harsh, but I'm not trying to offend anyone.

    You'd have a different opinion if it was someone close to you that died in similar cicumstances.


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    #1081
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    giggle84 wrote: »
    I don't feel sorry for the concert reveller who takes a drug that he doesn't have any idea what's actually in it, and then dies.

    maybe if your teenage son/daughter died from using recreational drugs you may feel different about it?


    let me guess though your kids dont/wont do drugs...

    i'm sure the poor families today with dead children would have said the same thing 3 days ago

    RIP lads


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