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Ironman 2013 Roll call
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Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »Do FF and we can go on the piss after:)
Ah Jaysis your not making this easy.
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bryangiggsy wrote: »Would be interested to hear other coaches/boardsies opinions on whether they think it is physically possible to do so? I just cant see it.
Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15
Although it was only a roll down
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Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15
Although it was only a roll down
You can't compare times like that, courses are completely different. The UK races produce bike splits that appear 20-30 minutes slower than (some) european races, pros included. I haven't done any close examination mind..
As for it being a roll down (by one place), so what :-) I'm definitely in the camp that believes that if you put yourself in the position to collect a slot at the awards ceremony, then you've earned it.0 -
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shotgunmcos wrote: »Next indicators. A 9:15 will need at worst an hour swim. Ok OM doesn't have the best swim and could hit a 9:15 of a 70 swim. However he can run a 3 hour marathon off a sub 5 bike. I absolutely believe JB like others have the potential to do this but it would take longer than 2 seasons to build that endurance and stamina.
Thats my point. I am not doubting that JB can do it. He has the dedication. Many people with the dedication and drive could do it. I just think to do it within 2 years is not physically possible to make that progress.
PS unless he is quitting work..moving to Switzerland and joining up with sutto for the next 12 months. JB ??
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I should really keep goals to myself in future.bryangiggsy wrote: »IMHO I believe you are e putting massive pressure on yourself. I just cant see it.
Pressure is for tyres Bryan. Its good that you cannot see it, sure how could you.Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15
Although it was only a roll down
I will never race in UKIM or Wales they lack the big race feel. They race slower than FF and as far as i know he is racing a different AG. I agree i could be talking utter b0llix until i prove it in a race.You can't compare times like that, courses are completely different. The UK races produce bike splits that appear 20-30 minutes slower than (some) european races, pros included. I haven't done any close examination mind..
As for it being a roll down (by one place), so what :-) I'm definitely in the camp that believes that if you put yourself in the position to collect a slot at the awards ceremony, then you've earned it.
Yeah times off by 30mins.shotgunmcos wrote: »JB could hit 9:15 shape but it becomes a 9:40 due to non wetsuit swim, bike on slippy roofs after thunderstorm etc... The 9:40 could still be a performance relative of 9:15 on another day.
Realistically? Evidence weighs against the chances. Firstly Coach. Having one is a sure fire way to give it your best shot. As long as you subscribe to the programme and not do silly stuff again like over doing sessions etc.. Id have faith in the Coach too although this is new territory for him also.
Next indicators. A 9:15 will need at worst an hour swim. Ok OM doesn't have the best swim and could hit a 9:15 of a 70 swim. However he can run a 3 hour marathon off a sub 5 bike. I absolutely believe JB like others have the potential to do this but it would take longer than 2 seasons to build that endurance and stamina.
Next a 4:50 - 5 bike. This I think is doable.
Then run 3 - 3:10 off it! Id imagine to do this you would have to be in 4:40 and/or 2:45 standalone bike run shape.
Basically I think it possible but very very ambitious.
I would like to know what the rationale is for 9:15? Also if the mark was achieved and it resulted in a rolldown slot offer, would you take it? After the sacrifice and discipline it will take to get the?
I do commend the ambition and guts to call it out at this stage!
Mike, point 1 is valid a 9.15 could well turn into a bigger time depending on n/w and conditions but it could still merit a slot as everyone has to race the same conditions.
Point 2 i am not sure if i am misreading it but "As long as you subscribe to the programme and not do silly stuff again like over doing sessions etc.. Id have faith in the Coach too although this is new territory for him also" I pretty much stuck exactly to the plan set out for this year
Having worked with coach i would not be sticking with him another season if i did not have faith that he can deliver me and in shape for that sort of time next year. I probably am making his work more difficult by putting the goal out there so openly.
Point 3 i will never be a sub 60 swimmer but i do need to be a sub 1:10 swimmer and prepare for a n/w swim. As you say the bike will need to be under sub 5 and a strong 3hr marathon.
Finally why 9:15 if you look at the results from last year in FF its a Kona slot without relying on anyone elses race.I think it's a savage goal to set and it takes balls to lay it out here. I would be looking at it from a family point of view with 3 young lads myself. I think it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back. I've only been training for a half and the time it takes does definitely affect family life.
Best of luck on whatever decision you take though. You seem single minded and determined enough to reach Kona, so I guess you'll be aiming for it.
I definitely wouldn't mind a snipping off your money tree though, things are getting lean here in the west.
Do you know me, know my setup, know my support structure Sorry to sound dismissive to your post but comparing yourself to me when you don't what my setup is and the comment of "it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back" is off the wall. Do you really think myself or my wife would be so supportive if she even thought that was the case. Time management is what is all about and not falling asleep and being a **** father after a long early bike on a Saturday morning when you get back.
Money tree, i work darn hard for it too you need to with 4 kids:)
Looks like we are fortunate enough to have one of a lucky few. The key thing people overlook that triathlon is a lifestyle change and very much a huge change in direction to what i done in previous years. I am a better person, husband and father since taking this up.I know JB and while I have never had the pleasure of meeting his taller half I've heard enough to know she is alot like Glenda - and if she has told him he needs to do the work to go to Kona then he better do it and will get the support to do it.
Without the support i would not be attempting what i am trying to do.
Next year will actually be my third year in tri (year 2 of Kona plan though)bryangiggsy wrote: »I just think to do it within 2 years is not physically possible to make that progress.
PS unless he is quitting work..moving to Switzerland and joining up with sutto for the next 12 months. JB ??Have you many kids? I don't doubt he has a supportive wife but kids grow up very quickly and they couldn't care less about a Kona slot, all they want is to play with daddy. I would guess that aiming for that time would basically mean every minute not taken up by work would involve training. It's a huge commitment and an astronomical feat off if it is achieved.
4 kids and they love me dearly, love me training and love me racing (especially the 2nd eldest) My eldest two know what i am attempting to do, the eldest probably is the only one who really understands. Its not all about volume and time, smart and focussed training will get the gains required.Actually jackyback - running a sub 3 Dublin would be good for you. Twould give you confidence number 1. Running a 3.30 marathon would actually be a waste of time. 8 minute miles... Lad - in training you should be going sub 7 not to mind the marathon..
No denying you haven't got good training done. But your results aren't matching and aren't near matching yet.
If your going for 9.15 you'll be v close to top 3 in a lot of Ireland tris.
Could Tunney go sub 9.15 - yep - no argument. And maybe better. Just needs a long holiday!
Aim for Dublin marathon or end of year half ironman. Even if you take them handy you should still do v good times if aiming for 9-15 form. And there is a lot to gain from them - believe it or not. But running 3-30 Dublin is pointless.. Seriously
I agree 3:30 will do nothing in the grand scheme of things apart from a long easy run. Why am i doing it i have other interests outside of my own goal and given the timing of DCM at the start of my own preparation it allows me to do a pacing job and something i enjoyed doing last year. Given the year i have had i need enjoyment even if it is only pacing. I also have 40 people in my run club who i am coaching for DCM with a large portion doing sub 3:30 so i am helping them out, again something i want and enjoy doing.
I have a half iron lined up in Lost Sheep and will close out the season with something that will take the taint off the season somewhat.
I sometimes wonder is it better to be the guy who puts his goals out there in the open to be dissected or to be the guy getting it done quitely. Starting to think the later might be the better option:)0 -
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Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »I should really keep goals to myself in future.bryangiggsy wrote: »IMHO I believe you are e putting massive pressure on yourself. I just cant see it.
Pressure is for tyres Bryan. Its good that you cannot see it, sure how could you.Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15
Although it was only a roll down
I will never race in UKIM or Wales they lack the big race feel. They race slower than FF and as far as i know he is racing a different AG. I agree i could be talking utter b0llix until i prove it in a race.You can't compare times like that, courses are completely different. The UK races produce bike splits that appear 20-30 minutes slower than (some) european races, pros included. I haven't done any close examination mind..
As for it being a roll down (by one place), so what :-) I'm definitely in the camp that believes that if you put yourself in the position to collect a slot at the awards ceremony, then you've earned it.
Yeah times off by 30mins.shotgunmcos wrote: »JB could hit 9:15 shape but it becomes a 9:40 due to non wetsuit swim, bike on slippy roofs after thunderstorm etc... The 9:40 could still be a performance relative of 9:15 on another day.
Realistically? Evidence weighs against the chances. Firstly Coach. Having one is a sure fire way to give it your best shot. As long as you subscribe to the programme and not do silly stuff again like over doing sessions etc.. Id have faith in the Coach too although this is new territory for him also.
Next indicators. A 9:15 will need at worst an hour swim. Ok OM doesn't have the best swim and could hit a 9:15 of a 70 swim. However he can run a 3 hour marathon off a sub 5 bike. I absolutely believe JB like others have the potential to do this but it would take longer than 2 seasons to build that endurance and stamina.
Next a 4:50 - 5 bike. This I think is doable.
Then run 3 - 3:10 off it! Id imagine to do this you would have to be in 4:40 and/or 2:45 standalone bike run shape.
Basically I think it possible but very very ambitious.
I would like to know what the rationale is for 9:15? Also if the mark was achieved and it resulted in a rolldown slot offer, would you take it? After the sacrifice and discipline it will take to get the?
I do commend the ambition and guts to call it out at this stage!
Mike, point 1 is valid a 9.15 could well turn into a bigger time depending on n/w and conditions but it could still merit a slot as everyone has to race the same conditions.
Point 2 i am not sure if i am misreading it but "As long as you subscribe to the programme and not do silly stuff again like over doing sessions etc.. Id have faith in the Coach too although this is new territory for him also" I pretty much stuck exactly to the plan set out for this year Having worked with coach i would not be sticking with him another season if i did not have faith that he can deliver me and in shape for that sort of time next year. I probably am making his work more difficult by putting the goal out there so openly.
Point 3 i will never be a sub 60 swimmer but i do need to be a sub 1:10 swimmer and prepare for a n/w swim. As you say the bike will need to be under sub 5 and a strong 3hr marathon.
Finally why 9:15 if you look at the results from last year in FF its a Kona slot without relying on anyone elses race.I think it's a savage goal to set and it takes balls to lay it out here. I would be looking at it from a family point of view with 3 young lads myself. I think it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back. I've only been training for a half and the time it takes does definitely affect family life.
Best of luck on whatever decision you take though. You seem single minded and determined enough to reach Kona, so I guess you'll be aiming for it.
I definitely wouldn't mind a snipping off your money tree though, things are getting lean here in the west.
Do you know me, know my setup, know my support structure Sorry to sound dismissive to your post but comparing yourself to me when you don't what my setup is and the comment of "it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back" is off the wall. Do you really think myself or my wife would be so supportive if she even thought that was the case. Time management is what is all about and not falling asleep and being a **** father after a long early bike on a Saturday morning when you get back.
Money tree, i work darn hard for it too you need to with 4 kids:)
Looks like we are fortunate enough to have one of a lucky few. The key thing people overlook that triathlon is a lifestyle change and very much a huge change in direction to what i done in previous years. I am a better person, husband and father since taking this up.I know JB and while I have never had the pleasure of meeting his taller half I've heard enough to know she is alot like Glenda - and if she has told him he needs to do the work to go to Kona then he better do it and will get the support to do it.
Without the support i would not be attempting what i am trying to do.
Next year will actually be my third year in tri (year 2 of Kona plan though)bryangiggsy wrote: »I just think to do it within 2 years is not physically possible to make that progress.
PS unless he is quitting work..moving to Switzerland and joining up with sutto for the next 12 months. JB ??Have you many kids? I don't doubt he has a supportive wife but kids grow up very quickly and they couldn't care less about a Kona slot, all they want is to play with daddy. I would guess that aiming for that time would basically mean every minute not taken up by work would involve training. It's a huge commitment and an astronomical feat off if it is achieved.
4 kids and they love me dearly, love me training and love me racing (especially the 2nd eldest) My eldest two know what i am attempting to do, the eldest probably is the only one who really understands. Its not all about volume and time, smart and focussed training will get the gains required.Actually Lillianna Poor Sauna - running a sub 3 Dublin would be good for you. Twould give you confidence number 1. Running a 3.30 marathon would actually be a waste of time. 8 minute miles... Lad - in training you should be going sub 7 not to mind the marathon..
No denying you haven't got good training done. But your results aren't matching and aren't near matching yet.
If your going for 9.15 you'll be v close to top 3 in a lot of Ireland tris.
Could Tunney go sub 9.15 - yep - no argument. And maybe better. Just needs a long holiday!
Aim for Dublin marathon or end of year half ironman. Even if you take them handy you should still do v good times if aiming for 9-15 form. And there is a lot to gain from them - believe it or not. But running 3-30 Dublin is pointless.. Seriously
I agree 3:30 will do nothing in the grand scheme of things apart from a long easy run. Why am i doing it i have other interests outside of my own goal and given the timing of DCM at the start of my own preparation it allows me to do a pacing job and something i enjoyed doing last year. Given the year i have had i need enjoyment even if it is only pacing. I also have 40 people in my run club who i am coaching for DCM with a large portion doing sub 3:30 so i am helping them out, again something i want and enjoy doing.
I have a half iron lined up in Lost Sheep and will close out the season with something that will take the taint off the season somewhat.
I sometimes wonder is it better to be the guy who puts his goals out there in the open to be dissected or to be the guy getting it done quitely. Starting to think the later might be the better option:)
I wasn't having a go, I have 3 young kids myself and would completely agree that training makes you a more rounded person, it has for me. I wouldn't see my comment about giving up the family as off the wall. Simple math will dictate that if the amount of hours in a week spent doing one thing increases then the amount of time doing something else will decrease.
I genuinely hope you achieve your goal and think it would be a gigantic achievement. Maybe the fact that the goal is so high is why people are questioning it, if you post something like that you are leaving yourself open to it being queried.
As I said earlier, good luck.0 -
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