Ironman 2013 Roll call

kingQuez · 02-07-2012 9:26pm #1

mloc123 · 02-07-2012 9:36pm

Fazz · 02-07-2012 9:36pm

Ah John, a few days away from you killing Frankfurt and you're already planning 2013!!!
Madness!

So where are you off to next season?

I'm blatantly not doing an ironman next season neither thanks! 70.3 max!

RacoonQueen · 02-07-2012 9:51pm

Don't think you've even filled in your sub 10 time in this year thread yet KQ, never mind next year!

kingQuez · 02-07-2012 10:01pm

Not signed up for anything yet, I'm still on the fence. Needs to be fun.

Oh, and theres no plan of killing frankfurt or going sub 10.. not even remotely

bryangiggsy · 03-07-2012 8:42am

I have 2 choices for 2013... no ironman or divorce......:D

RacoonQueen · 03-07-2012 8:44am

kingQuez wrote: »

Oh, and theres no plan of killing frankfurt or going sub 10.. not even remotely

Ha! Whatever you say. :pac:

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I have 2 choices for 2013... no ironman or divorce......

Divorce is probably cheaper.

tunney · 03-07-2012 8:54am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I have 2 choices for 2013... no ironman or divorce......:D

Put the foot down?

lingmina · 03-07-2012 8:55am

Really great like

BennyMul · 03-07-2012 9:15am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I have 2 choices for 2013... no ironman or divorce......:D

wow not just me, great to know.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 03-07-2012 9:23am

tunney · 03-07-2012 9:26am

Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »

Name|Event|Estimated Time|Actual Time
Mloc123|IM Lanza| Finish|
Jackyback|IM Frankfurt|TBC|

Seems like a few need to work on brownie point accumulation:)

reading up on the coverage of Katie Holmes divorce from Tom Cruise - seemingly one of the first thing did after filing for divorce was something that she longed to do during their marriage but she wasn't allowed by Tom. It obviously was something that she missed alot and meant alot to her. You could try the same with Mrs JB to get some brownie points. What she did and what she missed was wearing high heels.

interested · 03-07-2012 9:31am

tunney wrote: »

reading up on the coverage of Katie Holmes divorce from Tom Cruise - seemingly one of the first thing did after filing for divorce was something that she longed to do during their marriage but she wasn't allowed by Tom. It obviously was something that she missed alot and meant alot to her. You could try the same with Mrs JB to get some brownie points. What she did and what she missed was wearing high heels.

LMAO

BennyMul · 03-07-2012 9:31am

Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »

Name|Event|Estimated Time|Actual Time
Mloc123|IM Lanza| Finish|
Jackyback|IM Frankfurt|TBC|

Seems like a few need to work on brownie point accumulation:)

I dont think anything I could do at the moment would work,
And what do you do for these "Brownie points"

please share the secret.

bryangiggsy · 03-07-2012 9:42am

tunney wrote: »

reading up on the coverage of Katie Holmes divorce from Tom Cruise - seemingly one of the first thing did after filing for divorce was something that she longed to do during their marriage but she wasn't allowed by Tom. It obviously was something that she missed alot and meant alot to her. You could try the same with Mrs JB to get some brownie points. What she did and what she missed was wearing high heels.

I just near fell off the chair!!!

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 03-07-2012 9:52am

tunney wrote: »

reading up on the coverage of Katie Holmes divorce from Tom Cruise - seemingly one of the first thing did after filing for divorce was something that she longed to do during their marriage but she wasn't allowed by Tom. It obviously was something that she missed alot and meant alot to her. You could try the same with Mrs JB to get some brownie points. What she did and what she missed was wearing high heels.

Someone is giddy!!:)
In fairness i am taller than Mr Cruise and i do not have a cage full of men locked up in my basement like Tom has. I do hide Michelles high heels alright otherwise i have to bring a stool with me to stand on for photos and a kiss if i am that lucky.

What height are you again Dave 5ft ?:p

shotgunmcos · 03-07-2012 9:58am

tunney wrote: »

reading up on the coverage of Katie Holmes divorce from Tom Cruise - seemingly one of the first thing did after filing for divorce was something that she longed to do during their marriage but she wasn't allowed by Tom. It obviously was something that she missed alot and meant alot to her. You could try the same with Mrs JB to get some brownie points. What she did and what she missed was wearing high heels.

Good one

tunney · 03-07-2012 10:11am

Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »

Someone is giddy!!:)
In fairness i am taller than Mr Cruise and i do not have a cage full of men locked up in my basement like Tom has. I do hide Michelles high heels alright otherwise i have to bring a stool with me to stand on for photos and a kiss if i am that lucky.

What height are you again Dave 5ft ?:p

Tall enough not to have a cushion on the seat of my car to see out over the steering wheel.

ray o · 03-07-2012 10:22am

tunney wrote: »

Tall enough not to have a cushion on the seat of my car to see out over the steering wheel.

You lads could sell tickets...could be like that race with Lance Armstrong in Kona sh1te only far more interesting. "Join Tunney & JB at Challenge Roth for a weekend of pain & piss taking"

tunney · 03-07-2012 10:29am

ray o wrote: »

You lads could sell tickets...could be like that race with Lance Armstrong in Kona sh1te only far more interesting. "Join Tunney & JB at Challenge Roth for a weekend of pain & piss taking"

There will be no race.

I will put his bike shoes on the top shelve in his room and then sit back and laugh.

ray o · 03-07-2012 10:31am

tunney wrote: »

There will be no race.

I will put his bike shoes on the top shelve in his room and then sit back and laugh.

affs...it gets better.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 03-07-2012 10:32am

I think someone has spiked Tunneys tea this morning, he is entertaining i will give him that. Just as well i am happy with my body albeit short in stature!!

mrbungle · 03-07-2012 12:37pm

Here lads, fight over these:

Sidi_High_Heels by circaL8, on Flickr

bryangiggsy · 03-07-2012 12:48pm

BennyMul wrote: »

I dont think anything I could do at the moment would work,
And what do you do for these "Brownie points" please share the secret.

I'll be doing a pilot study over the next 6 mths.....after which i will share the results with everyone................for a small fee

garydee · 09-07-2012 10:10am

handangeo · 09-07-2012 4:31pm

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I have 2 choices for 2013... no ironman or divorce......:D

I'm with you on that one :rolleyes:

miller82 · 12-07-2012 11:58am

anyone have any idea how fast Nice IM or Challenge Roth usually sell out ??

Cheers

Izoard · 12-07-2012 12:29pm

miller82 wrote: »

anyone have any idea how fast Nice IM or Challenge Roth usually sell out ??

Cheers

Roth is pretty quick although more slots (more expensive) come on stream in December.

Nice is slow to sell out.

tunney · 16-07-2012 10:50am

kingQuez · 20-07-2012 7:17pm

only 30 places left for lanzarote..

RacoonQueen · 20-07-2012 8:50pm

kingQuez wrote: »

only 30 places left for lanzarote..

So you've entered?

Edit: Never mind. I've gone stalking.

Oryx · 20-07-2012 9:04pm

kingQuez wrote: »

only 30 places left for lanzarote..

Stoppit! I'm ok not doing one next year. I am. Really.

Frankfurt is still open too. *thinks*

kingQuez · 20-07-2012 9:12pm

Oryx wrote: »

Stoppit! I'm ok not doing one next year. I am. Really.

Think of it as a sun holiday

RacoonQueen · 20-07-2012 9:16pm

Oryx wrote: »

Stoppit! I'm ok not doing one next year. I am. Really.

Frankfurt is still open too. *thinks*

Do Lanza and you get it over with in May.

Oryx · 20-07-2012 9:19pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Do Lanza and you get it over with in May.

Good point! Just the small matter of being completely broke, then.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 20-07-2012 9:29pm

Oryx wrote: »

Stoppit! I'm ok not doing one next year. I am. Really.

Frankfurt is still open too. *thinks*

Oryx · 20-07-2012 9:33pm

Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »

Do FF and we can go on the piss after:)

Ah Jaysis your not making this easy.

RacoonQueen · 20-07-2012 9:43pm

Sure do both, ye may as well.

HalfTri · 22-07-2012 4:32pm

Jackyback -

Jeasus - your setting sights incredible high. You'd want to be able to run sub 3 hour marathon on a weekly basis (you wouldn't be doing that distance - but you'd have to be confident of doing it) and that on top of all the rest of the training.

If your going for that time - Run Dublin marathon - go sub 3 comfortable (don't really taper for it) and build from there.

Otherwise - your kind of shooting from the dark.

9.15 would be a top top time to aim for but you'd need serious form going into it and be finishing top 3 in many tri ire races if not winning. You need form..

bryangiggsy · 23-07-2012 8:23am

Rob Cummins from Wheelworx went 10.28 in IMUK yesterday coming 8th in his age group. Think he came around 5th last year. Whats astonishing is 3rd or 4th place to 8th finished within 3 mins of each other. Heartbreaking to come so close again.

tunney · 23-07-2012 8:34am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Rob Cummins from Wheelworx went 10.28 in IMUK yesterday coming 8th in his age group. Think he came around 5th last year. Whats astonishing is 3rd or 4th place to 8th finished within 3 mins of each other. Heartbreaking to come so close again.

Wrong thread Bryan - should be in the 2012 thread.

bryangiggsy · 23-07-2012 8:38am

tunney wrote: »

Wrong thread Bryan - should be in the 2012 thread.

My bad Dave..saw ironman and thought i was in right thread.....too early need caffeine.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 23-07-2012 11:06am

HalfTri wrote: »

Jackyback -

Jeasus - your setting sights incredible high.

Yes very high and there is nothing wrong with that. When you are someone as half mad and as committed as i am to put the work in anything is possible. I have even more hunger and drive after what happened to me in Roth now that the dust has settled.
The other thing you need to remember as each season goes on the gains from the previous year are in the bank. My starting position on swim (lesser extent) bike and run are much further down the road than when i set out training for Roth in Oct11 than it will be in Oct12. 50watts on the bike and 40secs per km on the run improvements, facts & stats do not lie (would be nice to have it backed up in a race though) . Yes the rate of gains will start to slow but to have those improvements in the bank is a huge plus.
So back to your point yes my sights are set incredibly high. Its the time needed to get a slot in Kona. Whilst Kona is/has been a 5yr plan if i can get there 2 or 3 years earlier than so be it. Any IM race i do in the next few years will have one common goal, to gain a Kona slot.

HalfTri wrote: »

You'd want to be able to run sub 3 hour marathon on a weekly basis (you wouldn't be doing that distance - but you'd have to be confident of doing it) and that on top of all the rest of the training.

If your going for that time - Run Dublin marathon - go sub 3 comfortable (don't really taper for it) and build from there.

I actually need to be in better shape than sub 3 come next year as i would need to able to run close to sub 3 off the bike. My earlier comment of getting my easy pace down by 20secs per km still stands. That would have me running at sub 3 pace for easy effort, most of my long runs fell around the 4.25 to 4.30km pace for lead up to Roth.
Running sub 3 in DCM would tell me nothing and besides i will be putting in some work with some meaty sessions throughout the Winter to get the sort of gains i need.

HalfTri wrote: »

9.15 would be a top top time to aim for but you'd need serious form going into it and be finishing top 3 in many tri ire races if not winning. You need form..

9.15 is a huge ask and yes a top time. I sort of disagree with the top 3 aspect. A top 3 finish in a sprint in IRE is not going to tell me much for FF, different work all together. Would you have the same concerns/doubts if i posted a 9.50 in Roth? probably not.
To some extent whilst i have done the training i have not had luck come race day. I hope to put this right very soon, i can do as much talking as i like but unless i do what i know/coach knows i am capable of in a race then anything i say can easily be taken with a pinch of salt and more than likely will.

bryangiggsy · 23-07-2012 3:06pm

Lillianna Poor Sauna wrote: »

Yes very high and there is nothing wrong with that. When you are someone as half mad and as committed as i am to put the work in anything is possible. I have even more hunger and drive after what happened to me in Roth now that the dust has settled.
The other thing you need to remember as each season goes on the gains from the previous year are in the bank. My starting position on swim (lesser extent) bike and run are much further down the road than when i set out training for Roth in Oct11 than it will be in Oct12. 50watts on the bike and 40secs per km on the run improvements, facts & stats do not lie (would be nice to have it backed up in a race though) . Yes the rate of gains will start to slow but to have those improvements in the bank is a huge plus.
So back to your point yes my sights are set incredibly high. Its the time needed to get a slot in Kona. Whilst Kona is/has been a 5yr plan if i can get there 2 or 3 years earlier than so be it. Any IM race i do in the next few years will have one common goal, to gain a Kona slot.

I actually need to be in better shape than sub 3 come next year as i would need to able to run close to sub 3 off the bike. My earlier comment of getting my easy pace down by 20secs per km still stands. That would have me running at sub 3 pace for easy effort, most of my long runs fell around the 4.25 to 4.30km pace for lead up to Roth.
Running sub 3 in DCM would tell me nothing and besides i will be putting in some work with some meaty sessions throughout the Winter to get the sort of gains i need.

9.15 is a huge ask and yes a top time. I sort of disagree with the top 3 aspect. A top 3 finish in a sprint in IRE is not going to tell me much for FF, different work all together. Would you have the same concerns/doubts if i posted a 9.50 in Roth? probably not.
To some extent whilst i have done the training i have not had luck come race day. I hope to put this right very soon, i can do as much talking as i like but unless i do what i know/coach knows i am capable of in a race then anything i say can easily be taken with a pinch of salt and more than likely will.

IMHO I believe you are e putting massive pressure on yourself. There is nothing wrong with aiming very high and i respect you for that. I really respect your dedication. U have 4 kids and work full time. . But 9.15 is Owen Martin.LCD..Mat molloy territory and they didnt get were they were at in a very short period of time. Would be interested to hear other coaches/boardsies opinions on whether they think it is physically possible to do so? I just cant see it.

catweazle · 23-07-2012 3:48pm

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Would be interested to hear other coaches/boardsies opinions on whether they think it is physically possible to do so? I just cant see it.

Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15

Although it was only a roll down

tunney · 23-07-2012 3:49pm

bryangiggsy wrote: »

IMHO I believe you are e putting massive pressure on yourself. There is nothing wrong with aiming very high and i respect you for that. I really respect your dedication. U have 4 kids and work full time. . But 9.15 is Owen Martin.LCD..Mat molloy territory and they didnt get were they were at in a very short period of time. Would be interested to hear other coaches/boardsies opinions on whether they think it is physically possible to do so? I just cant see it.

People have gone 7:5x so one could say that "obviously 9:15 is possible"

speedyj · 23-07-2012 4:37pm

catweazle wrote: »

Hard to make any type of call on this, injury or illness struck on the two main indicators of his progress, Roth and Athy. If its all about qualifying for Kona though Jacky why not go for Wales or Bolton, I see Cummins got in on 10.28 which seems much more manageable than a 9.15

Although it was only a roll down

You can't compare times like that, courses are completely different. The UK races produce bike splits that appear 20-30 minutes slower than (some) european races, pros included. I haven't done any close examination mind..

As for it being a roll down (by one place), so what :-) I'm definitely in the camp that believes that if you put yourself in the position to collect a slot at the awards ceremony, then you've earned it.

shotgunmcos · 23-07-2012 6:06pm

I would never dare to dissuade someone from shooting from the stars. Is 9:15 possible in FF for JB next year? Hypothetically anything is possible. JB could despite all the obstacles of an AGer do it. It would require immaculate training and prep, execution and a slice of luck. JB could hit 9:15 shape but it becomes a 9:40 due to non wetsuit swim, bike on slippy roofs after thunderstorm etc... The 9:40 could still be a performance relative of 9:15 on another day.

Realistically? Evidence weighs against the chances. Firstly Coach. Having one is a sure fire way to give it your best shot. As long as you subscribe to the programme and not do silly stuff again like over doing sessions etc.. Id have faith in the Coach too although this is new territory for him also.

Next indicators. A 9:15 will need at worst an hour swim. Ok OM doesn't have the best swim and could hit a 9:15 of a 70 swim. However he can run a 3 hour marathon off a sub 5 bike. I absolutely believe JB like others have the potential to do this but it would take longer than 2 seasons to build that endurance and stamina.

Next a 4:50 - 5 bike. This I think is doable.

Then run 3 - 3:10 off it! Id imagine to do this you would have to be in 4:40 and/or 2:45 standalone bike run shape.

Basically I think it possible but very very ambitious.

I would like to know what the rationale is for 9:15? Also if the mark was achieved and it resulted in a rolldown slot offer, would you take it? After the sacrifice and discipline it will take to get the?

I do commend the ambition and guts to call it out at this stage!

Rawhead · 23-07-2012 6:40pm

I think it's a savage goal to set and it takes balls to lay it out here. I would be looking at it from a family point of view with 3 young lads myself. I think it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back. I've only been training for a half and the time it takes does definitely affect family life.

Best of luck on whatever decision you take though. You seem single minded and determined enough to reach Kona, so I guess you'll be aiming for it.

I definitely wouldn't mind a snipping off your money tree though, things are getting lean here in the west.

tunney · 23-07-2012 7:03pm

Rawhead wrote: »

I think it's a savage goal to set and it takes balls to lay it out here. I would be looking at it from a family point of view with 3 young lads myself. I think it would mean giving up the family for a year and that's time that cannot be gotten back. I've only been training for a half and the time it takes does definitely affect family life.

Best of luck on whatever decision you take though. You seem single minded and determined enough to reach Kona, so I guess you'll be aiming for it.

I definitely wouldn't mind a snipping off you money tree though, things are getting lean here in the west.

I know JB and while I have never had the pleasure of meeting his taller half I've heard enough to know she is alot like Glenda - and if she has told him he needs to do the work to go to Kona then he better do it and will get the support to do it.

bryangiggsy · 23-07-2012 7:36pm

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Next indicators. A 9:15 will need at worst an hour swim. Ok OM doesn't have the best swim and could hit a 9:15 of a 70 swim. However he can run a 3 hour marathon off a sub 5 bike. I absolutely believe JB like others have the potential to do this but it would take longer than 2 seasons to build that endurance and stamina.

Thats my point. I am not doubting that JB can do it. He has the dedication. Many people with the dedication and drive could do it. I just think to do it within 2 years is not physically possible to make that progress.
PS unless he is quitting work..moving to Switzerland and joining up with sutto for the next 12 months. JB ??

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