Nigel Farage MEP

Nodin · 22-06-2014 3:17pm

SeanW wrote: »

You brought it up, where it had already been dealt with in another thread..

Not at all. Why do you think its ok to discriminate against Roma?

SeanW · 22-06-2014 3:59pm

Nodin wrote: »

Not at all. Why do you think its ok to discriminate against Roma?

Dealt with in another thread. I am not duplicating that here.

Care to explain the half-truths and lies of ommision in your quote of the Guardian?

Nodin · 22-06-2014 5:21pm

SeanW wrote: »

Dealt with in another thread. I am not duplicating that here.

You didn't explain it. You said he made a mistake - confusing Romanians with Roma. I'm asking why you think its ok to discriminate against Roma?

SeanW wrote: »

Care to explain the half-truths and lies of ommision in your quote of the Guardian?

There were no half truths or lies.

SeanW · 22-06-2014 5:35pm

Nodin wrote: »

You didn't explain it. You said he made a mistake - confusing Romanians with Roma. I'm asking why you think its ok to discriminate against Roma?

That is not what was said, but I'm more than happy to take up the subject - in the thread it first arose.

There were no half truths or lies.

The term was "lies of omission" The lines I quoted were your summary of the article. Both appear designed to mislead. Why?

An Claidheamh · 22-06-2014 5:36pm

Farage is just a front for little Britain, he is indeed a relatively good front.

I think we all know the sort of British jingoistic cretins that make up his party, the ex-British soldiers who live in Spain and moan about immigrants in the UK without a single shred of irony.

I wonder if an Irish politician joined alliances with extremist groups from Europe, would he/she have so many admirers on the likes of Boards.ie/thejournal.ie, as Farage seems to?

UKIP just use the EU as something to blame for the demise of Britain as a power.

That said, not such a bad thing they exist.

Would be great to see the UK rebuild their empire/commonwealth thingy.

They could trade with Zimbabwe and Pakistan, and leave us as the only English-speaking country in the EU.

McDave · 22-06-2014 6:07pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

I wonder if an Irish politician joined alliances with extremist groups from Europe, would he/she have so many admirers on the likes of Boards.ie/thejournal.ie, as Farage seems to?

Same over on politics.ie. It never ceases to amaze me how such an establishment public schoolboy type can engender such a fan base here. Unless of course UKIP supporters are turning up on Irish boards in disproportionate numbers. I've also noticed on this forum that as soon as one disappears, another is along to replace him/her. Could be a coincidence, but it's a strong impression.

SeanW · 22-06-2014 6:20pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Would be great to see the UK rebuild their empire/commonwealth thingy.

They could trade with Zimbabwe and Pakistan, and leave us as the only English-speaking country in the EU.

The UK would most likely get a free trade agreement with the EU, like Switzerland and Norway.

An Claidheamh · 22-06-2014 6:52pm

SeanW wrote: »

The UK would most likely get a free trade agreement with the EU, like Switzerland and Norway.

Yes, but would the EU allow it...

I mean the UK joining the EEFTA would actually solve everyone's problem. (including Ireland), but my understanding is that it would not be allowed.

I don't understand why the likes of the Conservatives and UK never bring the EEFTA up in conversation.

An Claidheamh · 22-06-2014 6:55pm

McDave wrote: »

Same over on politics.ie. It never ceases to amaze me how such an establishment public schoolboy type can engender such a fan base here. Unless of course UKIP supporters are turning up on Irish boards in disproportionate numbers. I've also noticed on this forum that as soon as one disappears, another is along to replace him/her. Could be a coincidence, but it's a strong impression.

THANK YOU.

Noticed stuff like that before on independent.ie comments section.

They even pretend to be Irish nationalistic about Germany, calling the EU an "empire", etc, but something never seemed right.

McDave · 22-06-2014 6:57pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Yes, but would the EU allow it...

I mean the UK joining the EEFTA would actually solve everyone's problem. (including Ireland), but my understanding is that it would not be allowed.

I don't understand why the likes of the Conservatives and UK never bring the EEFTA up in conversation.

If the UK left the EU, they'd be free to join EFTA, for what it would be worth. What the UK would want though would be access to EU markets which it would be able to achieve by opting for the EEA.

McDave · 22-06-2014 6:59pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

THANK YOU.

Noticed stuff like that before on independent.ie comments section.

They even pretend to be Irish nationalistic about Germany, calling the EU an "empire", etc, but something never seemed right.

Yep, the language is intemperate Daily Mail-speak, and not at all the tone you here even from Irish critics of the EU in SF and the Left Alliance.

opo · 22-06-2014 7:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

Possibly dragging off just enough votes from both major parties to bring in another coalition government, though I doubt UKIP would be in it. I don't think the party itself is cohesive enough to survive real success of itself.

This is not a thread about UKIP's domestic impact.

I am more interested in what you seem to think UKIP/Farage (et al) is on the verge of actually achieving in Europe?

Nodin · 22-06-2014 8:02pm

opo wrote: »

This is not a thread about UKIP's domestic impact.

I am more interested in what you seem to think UKIP/Farage (et al) is on the verge of actually achieving in Europe?

In Europe? Very little. They're part of a very small bloc with few seats.

Nodin · 22-06-2014 8:03pm

SeanW wrote: »

The term was "lies of omission" The lines I quoted were your summary of the article. Both appear designed to mislead. Why?

Neither seemed "designed to mislead" to me.

SeanW · 28-06-2014 11:45am

Nodin wrote: »

Neither seemed "designed to mislead" to me.

Not designed to mislead? You must have a very high bar on that score.

I quote your earlier post.

Nodin wrote: »

"Nigel Farage has joined forces in the European parliament with a Swedish party that was founded by white supremacists, including a former member of the Waffen SS.

This would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Nigel Farage symnpathised with white supremacists and had truck with those linked to the Nazis.

It is false, because the Sweden Democrats party was overhauled in 1995.

In an apparent change of tack, after he pledged to avoid parties on the far right, the Ukip leader also invited a French MEP who was elected for Marine Le Pen's Front National last month to join his pan-European group in the parliament."

This was totally absolutely decietful, because both parts of that statement would lead any reasonable person to conclude that UKIP had made a deal with the Front Nationale, explicitly violating a promise not to do so (which he did, and I saw it on a video BTW).

That too is false, because the MEP in question was sacked from the NF after she was elected for revealing herself to be a leftist that wants to give more rights to immigrants. In fact, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that UKIP and the Front Nationale have ever had anything to do with each other.

You also left out this part:

The pro-reform Open Europe thinktank said the Ukip group will claim €3.8m (£3m) a year. Vincenzo Scarpetta, a political analyst, Open Europe, said: "With millions of subsidies on offer, the European parliament's rules create strong incentives for parties to form groups, even when these parties are not natural bedfellows.

And you didn't answer my question about whether the Eco-Leftist Italian 5 Star Movement also shares the "shame" of being in a group with Waffen SS Nazis and Front Nationale diehards

How in the name of anything good or proper can you stand over this twisted hatchet job?

Nodin · 28-06-2014 2:14pm

SeanW wrote: »

Not designed to mislead? You must have a very high bar on that score.

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Not particularily, no.

View · 28-06-2014 2:49pm

SeanW wrote: »

This would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Nigel Farage symnpathised with white supremacists and had truck with those linked to the Nazis.

It is false, because the Sweden Democrats party was overhauled in 1995.

As recently as 2012, 2 front bench spokesmen of the SD were filmed racially abusing a Swedish comedian of immigrant parentage, misognitically abusing a woman passer-by who protested their action and roaming the streets with scaffolding with the intention of attacking people.

Their "overhaul" was cosmetic at best it would seem.

SeanW wrote: »

That too is false, because the MEP in question was sacked from the NF after she was elected for revealing herself to be a leftist that wants to give more rights to immigrants.

A person can favours rights for immigrants and still be right wing.

I have yet to hear Farage call for immigrants to lose their voting rights in the UK. Is he a "leftist" then in your opinion?

SeanW wrote: »

In fact, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that UKIP and the Front Nationale have ever had anything to do with each other.

If you ignore a recently retired UKIP MEP having been a member of the EAF (Le Pen's EU party), and Farage happily ignoring this, that is...

SeanW wrote: »

And you didn't answer my question about whether the Eco-Leftist Italian 5 Star Movement

The 5 star movement isn't "leftist". It's seats in the Chamber of Deputies were overwhelmingly gained from the now severely discredited party of Berlusconi. An "Eco" veneer on top doesn't alter it. Cameron, for instance, made a play about the Conservatjves now being green but that hardly makes them a left wing party (by the standards of most people that is).

SeanW wrote: »

also shares the "shame" of being in a group with Waffen SS Nazis and Front Nationale diehards

It is perfectly legitimate to judge people by the company they choose to keep on a regular basis. It shows what they regard as "acceptable" behaviour/opinions.

I doubt many people would believe in the credibility of a Human rights activist who routinely socialised with torturers, for instance.

SeanW · 28-06-2014 3:17pm

View wrote: »

As recently as 2012, 2 front bench spokesmen of the SD were filmed racially abusing a Swedish comedian of immigrant parentage, misognitically abusing a woman passer-by who protested their action and roaming the streets with scaffolding with the intention of attacking people.

Gob****es, who I expect would be removed from that party, if they have not already.

A person can favours rights for immigrants and still be right wing.

I have yet to hear Farage call for immigrants to lose their voting rights in the UK. Is he a "leftist" then in your opinion?

Point is, the "far right MEP elected for the Front Nationale" wasn't really FN material, and she was expelled from that party for being immigrant friendly BEFORE she joined the EFD.

If you ignore a recently retired UKIP MEP having been a member of the EAF (Le Pen's EU party), and Farage happily ignoring this, that is...

Huh?

The 5 star movement isn't "leftist". It's seats in the Chamber of Deputies were overwhelmingly gained from the now severely discredited party of Berlusconi. An "Eco" veneer on top doesn't alter it. Cameron, for instance, made a play about the Conservatjves now being green but that hardly makes them a left wing party (by the standards of most people that is).

They want to keep the EU, and they want a Financial Transactions Tax.

Robbo · 14-01-2015 4:58pm

Al Murray's "The Pub Landlord" has announced he's standing against Farage in the next general election. Given that I've seen previous Euroskeptic campaigns in the UK run under the assumption that the character was for real, there is the hilarious possibility of this doing real damage to Farage's vote.

Cisco100 · 17-02-2015 12:35pm

Robbo wrote: »

Al Murray's "The Pub Landlord" has he's standing against Farage in the next general election. Given that I've seen previous Euroskeptic campaigns in the UK run under the assumption that the character was for real, there is the hilarious possibility of this doing real damage to Farage's vote.

Reeks of desperation from the establishment. How's Al Murray's career going at the moment?

oscarBravo · 17-02-2015 7:43pm

Cisco100 wrote: »

Reeks of desperation from the establishment.

Al Murray is "the establishment" now?

Cisco100 · 17-02-2015 11:15pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Al Murray is "the establishment" now?

Yes....that's exactly what I meant.

oscarBravo · 17-02-2015 11:18pm

Cisco100 wrote: »

Yes....that's exactly what I meant.

Assuming that was sarcasm, what did you mean?

McDave · 18-02-2015 3:23pm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Al Murray is "the establishment" now?

One supposes running a pub makes one 'big business'. Particularly from the vantage point of a bar stool.

Bitter, anyone?

K-9 · 19-02-2015 2:51pm

McDave wrote: »

One supposes running a pub makes one 'big business'. Particularly from the vantage point of a bar stool.

Bitter, anyone?

Well he owns an "establishment" so therefor.................

Oldenboard · 20-02-2015 12:58pm

My view is that Farage, the German speaking son of a Belgian banker, who pretty much abandoned him, is a nasty establishment figure, exploiting public fears for his financial sectors pals.

shanered · 20-02-2015 2:09pm

Oldenboard wrote: »

My view is that Farage, the German speaking son of a Belgian banker, who pretty much abandoned him, is a nasty establishment figure, exploiting public fears for his financial sectors pals.

I found this comment interesting, i never knew that about him.

It made me think about him slagging Von Rumpoy about being from a non-country with no national identity from Belgium.

Maybe his resentment of Belgium and bankers is something he learned from his childhood?

Nodin · 12-03-2015 6:15am

Funny, as long as he never gets power.

"The Ukip leader also said that race and other anti-discrimination legislation should be abolished, arguing that it was no longer needed in the United Kingdom, in an interview with former equality and human rights commissioner Trevor Phillips for Channel 4."

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He also indicated that anti-discrimination legislation had become irrelevant.

Pressed on which discrimination laws he would get rid of, the Ukip leader said: “Much of it. I think the employer should be much freer to make decisions on who he or she employs.”

Asked whether there would be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour under Ukip, Farage added: “No … because we take the view, we are colour-blind. We as a party are colour-blind.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/nigel-farage-british-muslim-fifth-column-fuels-immigration-fear-ukip

Yet he can spot a Romanian......

end of the road · 20-03-2015 6:51pm

Nodin wrote: »

Funny, as long as he never gets power.

"The Ukip leader also said that race and other anti-discrimination legislation should be abolished, arguing that it was no longer needed in the United Kingdom, in an interview with former equality and human rights commissioner Trevor Phillips for Channel 4."

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He also indicated that anti-discrimination legislation had become irrelevant.

Pressed on which discrimination laws he would get rid of, the Ukip leader said: “Much of it. I think the employer should be much freer to make decisions on who he or she employs.”

Asked whether there would be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour under Ukip, Farage added: “No … because we take the view, we are colour-blind. We as a party are colour-blind.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/nigel-farage-british-muslim-fifth-column-fuels-immigration-fear-ukip

Yet he can spot a Romanian......

he's a loony. he fails to realise the employers are all ready free to make decisians, and they are employing those they feel are the best candidates for the jobs, many of which happen to be foreigners. if some british people find it hard to get jobs over foreigners, then they need to look at themselves

jank · 21-03-2015 1:34am

end of the road wrote: »

he's a loony. he fails to realise the employers are all ready free to make decisians, and they are employing those they feel are the best candidates for the jobs, many of which happen to be foreigners. if some british people find it hard to get jobs over foreigners, then they need to look at themselves

Interesting comment. Perhaps then they should ask for lower wages in an effort to make themselves competitive?

Nigel Farage MEP

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