The Beadophiles

georgefalls · 10-06-2014 4:38pm

Sad thing is... I probably don't...LOL
I actually LIKE spending hours waxing, I find it very theraputic..!

vectra · 10-06-2014 7:29pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Just so ye know lads, after 2 coats of wax, it becomes an exercise of diminishing results. 4 coats, while it's loads of protection, it's a bit of a waste.

I was always under the illusion that 3-4 coats is max and that was it.

mb1725 · 10-06-2014 7:58pm

vectra wrote: »

I can seea thread soon.
"Show us your 845 treated paint"

. or how about "The CollieWobblers" ?

MetzgerMeister · 10-06-2014 10:22pm

vectra wrote: »

I was always under the illusion that 3-4 coats is max and that was it.

That's the thing.....ILLUSION :P

Then again, you're a Cork man do there's a lot of illusions and delusions with you folks :pac:

vectra · 10-06-2014 11:08pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

That's the thing.....ILLUSION :P

Then again, you're a Cork man do there's a lot of illusions and delusions with you folks :pac:

W3ll.
I would prefer to be under an illusion than be disillusioned lol.
Seriously though.
I was told by a supplier up to 4 coats is OK.

MetzgerMeister · 11-06-2014 3:53am

That's because you're using more meaning you'll run out faster so you'll have to buy more!

TomMc · 11-06-2014 9:36am

georgefalls wrote: »

Never knew that.
How is loads more not better, does more coats remove the lower coats..?

The concentration of solvents and other ingredients in a wax is a factor as to whether it will remove some of the underlying wax layer. The friction generated while doing so would also be a factor. Even if the wax has a low solvent base, it is better if the first/underlying layer had plenty of time to harden, rather than applying two coats in very quick succession. That would mean applying two coats say 24 hours apart so the car would have to be garaged to avoid dust and dirt in between layers.

If you think about it, no matter how many layers of wax you try to apply, only the base layer is in direct contact with the paint surface. A bare paint surface will take/hold more product at first (regardless whether sealant or wax). The paint surface is uneven or rough at microscopic level, with peaks and valleys (high and low spots). When the crevices are filled in, the surface is evener and smoother, so subsequent applications of product have less and less to fill in or hold onto. Even though a fresh coat of wax may adhere to the wax under it during application and drying, once you buff it (wipe away the excess) you are removing not just the excess but most/all of the fresh wax you laid down as well.

If applying additional wax, the more (layers) you try to add, the more likely you are just wiping most or all of the fresh wax straight back off again during the buffing process. That's presuming that it isn't softening/interfering with the layer under it and possibly removing even more. So, no matter how many applications of wax you apply, you still only have one layer in contact with the paint (possibly more compacted with wax).

georgefalls · 11-06-2014 10:41am

I applied the 4 coats over 4 days.. Garaged in-between.
I think each coat made it shinier, but probably just wishful thinking.

It beads very well though:cool:

georgefalls · 11-06-2014 3:01pm

I knew I'd read something about 4 coats somewhere.. So I asked them

TomMc · 11-06-2014 5:18pm

Have a read through Mike Phillips post on layering waxes.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?2167-What-s-the-deal-with-quot-Layering-quot

Curran · 11-06-2014 8:04pm

georgefalls wrote: »

I knew I'd read something about 4 coats somewhere.. So I asked them

Sure; they'll tell you that....4 coats means your back to them looking for a new pot of HD wax in half the time!

vectra · 11-06-2014 9:15pm

Curran wrote: »

Sure; they'll tell you that....4 coats means your back to them looking for a new pot of HD wax in half the time!

The guy I bought some Harly wax from in '08 told me up to four coats if fine. Anynmore and the paint needs to be stripped back to bare again.

Curran · 11-06-2014 10:43pm

The only time I'd consider more than two coats is it I was trying to get extra gloss for a show or something...even at that I'd be thinking to myself that its a bit pointless.

jasoncoylerd · 18-06-2014 10:38am

Curran wrote: »

The only time I'd consider more than two coats is it I was trying to get extra gloss for a show or something...even at that I'd be thinking to myself that its a bit pointless.

wax doesnt really add "shine" to a car though, the polishing beforehand where fine abrasives in the polish cut and refine the paint is where the shine is generated from, the wax merely protects the paint then underneath it,

i can see the reason behind 2 coats to make sure of full coverage but anything more really is a waste imo

MetzgerMeister · 18-06-2014 10:44am

jasoncoylerd wrote: »

wax doesnt really add "shine" to a car though, the polishing beforehand where fine abrasives in the polish cut and refine the paint is where the shine is generated from, the wax merely protects the paint then underneath it,

i can see the reason behind 2 coats to make sure of full coverage but anything more really is a waste imo

Most waxes and quick detailers have gloss enhancers in them. Even in Collinite, there's an oily substance which really increases the gloss of paint and makes water bead very well.

Curran · 18-06-2014 11:33am

jasoncoylerd wrote: »

wax doesnt really add "shine" to a car though, the polishing beforehand where fine abrasives in the polish cut and refine the paint is where the shine is generated from, the wax merely protects the paint then underneath it,

i can see the reason behind 2 coats to make sure of full coverage but anything more really is a waste imo

You obviously didnt read any of the previous posts.
I even said in the post you quoted that "its a bit pointless" and if I was "trying to add exta gloss". I know how shine is achieved!

jasoncoylerd · 18-06-2014 11:39am

Curran wrote: »

You obviously didnt read any of the previous posts.
I even said in the post you quoted that "its a bit pointless" and if I was "trying to add exta gloss". I know how shine is achieved!

i didnt read them all your right, never bolt a door with a boiled carrot as the man says

weekaizer · 26-06-2014 5:24pm

D/A with menzerna finishing polish plus 2 coats of meguiars deep crystal carnauba wax.

Curran · 26-06-2014 6:31pm

weekaizer wrote: »

D/A with menzerna finishing polish plus 2 coats of meguiars deep crystal carnauba wax.

If I close my eyes really tightly and imagine as best I can, I can kind of get a picture in my head of how it looks! :P Good work

weekaizer · 27-06-2014 12:51am

Curran wrote: »

If I close my eyes really tightly and imagine as best I can, I can kind of get a picture in my head of how it looks! :P Good work

Apologies. I must be doting or just sleep deprived!

Curran · 27-06-2014 2:30am

Did you wash your car down post polishing?
Reason I ask is I would have expected better beading. Machine polish is different to hand polish as it contains oils to help lubricate the surface...and these oils hinder the bonding of any other products applied on top.
A wash down with an All Purpose Cleaner after polishing, would help remove the oils.

challengemaster · 27-06-2014 4:51pm

Lastnight, not the easiest light for an iPhone camera!

MetzgerMeister · 27-06-2014 4:55pm

And you call yourself a photographer??? Looks like your dog took those photos :P

challengemaster · 27-06-2014 5:02pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

And you call yourself a photographer??? Looks like your dog took those photos :P

Was too busy photographing a wedding to go take pictures of my car :pac:

weekaizer · 27-06-2014 6:10pm

Curran wrote: »

Did you wash your car down post polishing?
Reason I ask is I would have expected better beading. Machine polish is different to hand polish as it contains oils to help lubricate the surface...and these oils hinder the bonding of any other products applied on top.
A wash down with an All Purpose Cleaner after polishing, would help remove the oils.

No. I buffed off the polish and straight away I applied the wax... I know the beading isn't great but it was literally only a light shower, it rained heavier since an I thought the beading looked a bit better then (no photos though!)