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  • 04-06-2012 8:56pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 Rob A. Bank


    Very sad to see this...
    Last ditch efforts to save Galway Airport by sourcing a new airline have failed and it is expected that the operation will shut down permanently next month.

    It’s understood that the IDA and Enterprise Ireland will be approached over the coming weeks with a view to locating an industry at the 115 acre site.

    See tmorrow's Connacht Sentinel for the full story

    http://www.facebook.com/ConnachtTribune


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  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭ ted2767


    Very sad to see this...
    Last ditch efforts to save Galway Airport by sourcing a new airline have failed and it is expected that the operation will shut down permanently next month.

    It’s understood that the IDA and Enterprise Ireland will be approached over the coming weeks with a view to locating an industry at the 115 acre site.

    See tmorrow's Connacht Sentinel for the full story

    http://www.facebook.com/ConnachtTribune


    Did you really believe that another airline would fly in there.

    Shannon, Knock and Dublin are all very accessable and have better facilaties so really there are no reasons to keep it open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 xflyer


    No way that's rubbish. Someone is playing games here. It can easily continue as an airfield. There is no industry moving in there. It's not as if Galway is short of industrial estates.

    This is some sort of ploy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭ galwayrush


    xflyer wrote: »
    No way that's rubbish. Someone is playing games here. It can easily continue as an airfield. There is no industry moving in there. It's not as if Galway is short of industrial estates.

    This is some sort of ploy.

    Plenty of small private planes as well as the flying club are still using it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ dloob


    I assume the Chamber of Commerce owns the site and wants someone to buy it off them or to make money out of it some other way as a park and ride location.

    Now that they are reaping the rewards of not moving to a new site with a bigger runway to protect Aer Arran from competition, they are trying to squeeze the last bit of money out of it, and continuing as an air field isn't going to make them much money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭ ted2767


    dloob wrote: »
    I assume the Chamber of Commerce owns the site and wants someone to buy it off them or to make money out of it some other way as a park and ride location.

    Now that they are reaping the rewards of not moving to a new site with a bigger runway to protect Aer Arran from competition, they are trying to squeeze the last bit of money out of it, and continuing as an air field isn't going to make them much money.

    Protecting Aer Arran would have been illegal.

    With the new motorway, quicker train times and accesability of Dublin, Knock and Shannon there is no commercial need for Galway airport.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 Shakti


    Motorsport maybe?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭ Seaneh


    dloob wrote: »
    I assume the Chamber of Commerce owns the site and wants someone to buy it off them or to make money out of it some other way as a park and ride location.

    Now that they are reaping the rewards of not moving to a new site with a bigger runway to protect Aer Arran from competition, they are trying to squeeze the last bit of money out of it, and continuing as an air field isn't going to make them much money.


    This. If they had have moved to Oranmore like planned and had use of a larger runway they could have attracted more airlines and bigger Passenger and cargo jets. Instead they stayed in Carnmore to suit a few vested interests and have made a balls of it.

    If Galway had a proper international airport it would have been much more attractive than either Knock or Shannon for large airlines.

    Idiocy finally wins.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ snubbleste


    I still have my fingers crossed for a car park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭ Sappa


    No harm,
    We never needed an airport and it is good to see a new venture moving in there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭ mayomaffia



    You should be delighted if it brings jobs, Two airports beside you. I think the vast majority would prefer the jobs...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭ tfitzgerald


    Shakti wrote: »
    Motorsport maybe?

    I think that's a good idea


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,895 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    xflyer wrote: »
    No way that's rubbish. Someone is playing games here. It can easily continue as an airfield. There is no industry moving in there. It's not as if Galway is short of industrial estates.

    This is some sort of ploy.

    What s/he said.

    With the Volvo coming, there's been lots of paint and "to let" signs applied all over town.

    This is just a slightly large version, making use of the media to go fishing for interest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 xflyer


    It's highly unlikely there'll be much interest from industry in building there. So the idea is quite fanciful. Although it would be rather ironic because the actual site of the old previous Oranmore airfield was transformed into a possible 'Pharma complex' by the IDA complete with a road and ponds. It's sits there empty and rather sad although it's a good spot to walk the dog. It would be really ironic for both of Galway's airfields to be turned into empty industrial estates.

    There is no reason the airport cannot continue as a small General aviation airfield at very little cost.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭ Sponge Bob


    A 'green' cycling park Mountain Bike and BMX course during the day and somewhere to smoke up tyres at night. For everything else there is Connemara International out in Minna! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭ Storm 10


    Would this spell the end of Galway Flying Club.:mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭ Sponge Bob


    Dunno. Here is the latest NOTAM .

    I think the GFC would need to get the controlled airspace declassified and they can then move about with no control tower in charge but I don't know the specifics.

    EICM - GALWAY
    + GALWAY AIRPORT FIRE CAT 1 AND UP TO CAT 6 AVAILABLE ON REQUEST
    MINIMUM NOTICE OF 48 HRS REQUIRED. REF AIP PUBLICATION NO6-12
    EFFECTIVE DATE 28TH JUNE 2012
    FROM: 01 JUN 2012 08:00 TO: 30 JUN 2012 16:00 A0876/12
    + GALWAY DME CRN 110.0MHZ CH37X OUT OF SERVICE
    FROM: 01 JUN 2012 08:00 TO: 30 JUN 2012 16:00 A0875/12
    + GALWAY CTR HOURS OF OPS/SERVICE
    MON-FRI 0800-1600

    FROM: 01 JUN 2012 08:00 TO: 30 JUN 2012 16:00 A0874/12
    + GALWAY AERODROME HOURS OF OPS/SERVICE
    MON-FRI 0800-1600

    FROM: 01 JUN 2012 08:00 TO: 30 JUN 2012 16:00 A0873/12


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 xflyer


    There is no controlled airspace around the airport outside of operating hours. The flying club already operate there at weekends without any controller. But some of them had to be trained to use the fire appliance to comply with the rules applying to a licensed airfield.

    You don't need a tower or a controller to operate an airfield. Most airfields in this country and all around the world simply operate with the pilots calling out on the radio, their position and intentions. Even quite large ones with multiple runways.

    There is absolutely no reason Galway airport cannot operate like that other than sheer bloodymindeness on the part of the owners.

    Also look at Sligo airport, no airline traffic either but they keep going by welcoming small aircraft, they open at weekends, still keep the terminal open and have a control tower. There is no talk of them turning it into a car park or industrial estate. Galway is a bigger town than Sligo as well.

    There is no good reason to permanently shut Galway airport. In the long run some form of airport will be needed. But they really need to get over the idea that an airport must have a scheduled service to justify it's existence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭ Storm 10


    Sligo is the base for the Coastguard Rescue helicopter so they would be getting funding from the Goverment to maintain the Airport, the helicopter is 24/7 so they have to have staff available to man it.

    Its amazing how Galway has fallen out of favour with the Goverment and airlines given its a City with a large number of multi-national companies here. I just cant figure out what went wrong at that airport it beggars belief that it could go so fast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 xflyer


    The Coastguard can come and go with or without a controller. They don't need the airport to be open 24/7. I doubt the money they get from the Coastguard is keeping Sligo open. But they also have flying schools, a maintenance base, private aircraft based there, all paying rent and fees and they are very welcoming of visitors. Not big money to be sure but a steady income.

    That's the model to be thinking of. There is untapped potential in Galway right now mainly because of the shortsighted concentration on making it into a mini international airport which failed spectacularly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭ ARGINITE


    Shakti wrote: »
    Motorsport maybe?

    +1


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭ BeardySi


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    I just cant figure out what went wrong at that airport it beggars belief that it could go so fast.

    They deliberately chose to keep it at a location which precluded any future expansion of runway or capacity, despite having had the opportunity to move to a much more suitable site. It was just too small for anything but the smaller commercial aircraft, which made it completely unfeasible as a commercial airport...

    An airport with a reasonably sized runway capable of landing large jets would most likely do quite well in Galway as it'd be a short hop from a mainline trainline and the motorways, along with being on the doorstep of a city which is a large tourist draw in itself. Of course that would have an impact on both Shannon and Knock...

    The west can't support three airports (the tumbleweed blowing down the runways in Shannon suggest that two aren't feasible either!), particularly now with better access to dublin airport and it's increased capacity...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭ mayomaffia


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    A 'green' cycling park Mountain Bike and BMX course during the day and somewhere to smoke up tyres at night. For everything else there is Connemara International out in Minna! :)

    Is there anything like Mondello in the West of Ireland ??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 Rob A. Bank


    Every city needs modern infrastructure, if it not to stagnate, and looking to the future Galway needs an airport.

    It seems the banks had a hand in it's demise too.

    More from the Sentinal:
    Currently the airport is being used by the air corps, some small commercial carriers and the local flying club.

    At its peak in the early 2000s, 300,000 passengers annually passed through Galway Airport with up to 200 scheduled flights per week.

    Last January, Bank of Ireland controversially seized €1.1m from the Airport’s deposit account but subsequently an agreement was reached involving the return of some that money which helped to pay out statutory redundancies to about 40 employees.

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/26134-last-gasp-effort-keep-galway-airport-open-fails


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,344 ✭✭✭✭ ben.schlomo


    Every city needs modern infrastructure, if it not to stagnate, and looking to the future Galway needs an airport.

    It seems the banks had a hand in it's demise too.

    More from the Sentinal:


    http://www.galwaynews.ie/26134-last-gasp-effort-keep-galway-airport-open-fails
    It has 2, Shannon and Knock, thats more than enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ dloob


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Protecting Aer Arran would have been illegal.

    With the new motorway, quicker train times and accesability of Dublin, Knock and Shannon there is no commercial need for Galway airport.

    Direct protection would have been illegal of course, but there is nothing illegal about turning down chance to move to a new site with runways that would have allowed competing jet traffic.

    Does anyone know how the chamber came by the land in the first place?
    It was originally a private airport built by Steiner wasn't it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭ ratracer


    It has 2, Shannon and Knock, thats more than enough.

    Galway airport was never going to succeed without lengthening the runway. Now that it is finally closed, on a commercial basis at least, the focus of the elected representatives should be on ensuring the western corridor is completed. With motorway access both Shannon and Knock are less than an hour away from either side of the city.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 Shakti


    The Wests answer to the Nürburgring, The Claddagh Ring,
    or the worlds largest guitar neck.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en&q=galway+airport&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,787 xflyer


    dloob wrote: »
    Does anyone know how the chamber came by the land in the first place?
    It was originally a private airport built by Steiner wasn't it?
    Yes Steiner built a runway because he was fed up Oranmore airfield being constantly waterlogged and unusable. His aircraft was damaged there on one occasion. Aer Arann moved there too and it was later sold on to another businessman who then sold it to a consortium of interests including the Chamber. Who then developed it to it to it's current state. In doing so they made it too expensive for the original Aer Arann who went off and built their own airstrip in Connemara.

    The problem with was that it was never originally intended as an airport at all and it in the wrong place really. Oranmore which is still actually state owned was the best place for an airport which is the actual reason the RAF built an airfield there in the first place.

    This isn't hindsight either, all this was well known at the time. This current result is almost inevitable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 scholar007


    ted2767 wrote: »
    so really there are no reasons to keep it open.


    There is! - The Air Corps use it. I wonder do they use it to refuel in their vitally important mission, which is paramount to the security of the nation, which keeps us all safe in our beds at night, which keeps the dark forces at bay, without which the country would descend into anarchy - Indeed the Government have deemed their mission to be of such strategic importance that no expense is spared so that the PC-9s are kept in constant readiness should they have to be ordered aloft at a moments notice, when when when when, Paddy in Ballydehob hitches the trailer to the car and heads in the direction of his local bog.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭✭ ToyotaMad94


    I would only love to set up a Motorsport event this Summer here for all locals and people who would be willing to travel! The only thing I'm worried about is insurance would cost an awful lot and that Galway Airport will reject my idea.
    Does anybody know of any companies who would insure events and also it would be great if somebody has an email for the owner of Galway Airport or somebody that will reply back to me. Thanks


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