Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

DB21

Kathnora wrote: »

I have a very simple rule of thumb.......... If Sinn Féin say vote NO to something then I know to vote YES and vice versa!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, democracy.

gerryo777

Ruralyoke wrote: »

What I'm saying is that they will and have made all the right noises, including ill conceived flaky economic proposals.

Is this FG/Labour your talking about, pre-election of course!

gerryo777

Sleepy wrote: »

While they may continue to gain traction amongst the uneducated welfare class, that class represents less than 10/15% of our population and I can't see the middle classes ever voting for someone who's policies would result in even those of us earning modest salaries being taxed into oblivion.



How exactly are the Shinners going to shine?

The way the unemployment rate is heading here, they'll only increase their vote over time so.
Looking down your nose at the 'welfare class'? Who do you think you are?
Must be a PS/CS staff member.

Kathnora

Crooked Jack wrote: »

What a healthy and responsible political outlook. See post 338.

Read post 338. Sorry.......but a leopard doesn't change its spots.

Wibbs

gerryo777 wrote: »

The way the unemployment rate is heading here, they'll only increase their vote over time so.

and likely increase it by their economic policies or what passes for them in someone's hunt for a joke.

PC CDROM

Kathnora wrote: »

I have a very simple rule of thumb.......... If Sinn Féin say vote NO to something then I know to vote YES and vice versa!!

Crooked Jack wrote: »

What a healthy and responsible political outlook. See post 338.

gerryo777 wrote: »

That's some intelligent thinking right there.:D
God help us.

DB21 wrote: »

Ladies and Gentlemen, democracy.

Bit harsh tbh.

I think a lot of people feel the same way about Declan Ganley.

He is like the death knell to the No campaign

MagicMarker

It's ironic because if they ever did get into power then the people they target with such populist nonsense will end up suffering the most.

The Waltzing Consumer

MagicMarker wrote: »

It's ironic because if they ever did get into power then the people they target with such populist nonsense will end up suffering the most.

Pretty much, this goes for SF and the ULA.

Option 1: Target the richest
Reaction: Richest leave Ireland
Option 2: Target Corporation Tax
Reaction: Multinationals leave Ireland
Option 3: Target the next highest up earners and middle earners (to make up for the % loss since the richest left)
Reaction: Those who can leave, leave, those who can't pay. This still will not make up anywhere that is needed from the gap of those who have left and SF and ULA will then be left with no choice but to target the low and middle earners who have no choice but to stay.

I think about all this locally. I am in West Dublin. I see shopping centres, multinationals, business parks, companies like eBay, IBM, Xerox, Symantec, PayPal and many others that are created tens of thousands of jobs for this area.

Unfortunately, I have to concede that FF and FG and LAB are the parties that created the conditions to allow these companies to be here. Whilst some have left and in other parts of the country, many have left, I still ask the question, would any of this have happened with SF and ULA economic politics??

NO

Kathnora

Kathnora wrote: »

I have a very simple rule of thumb.......... If Sinn Féin say vote NO to something then I know to vote YES and vice versa!!

No wonder the country is fcuked!

Tym

What a healthy and responsible political outlook. See post 338.

Well, in this case I think it's spot on.

It's in the various socialist parties best interests, in my opinion, for the economy to degrade even more. Then they can say, look it was flawed from the begining, no helping it, we'll give you X, Y and Z. Which I have no doubt they believe they can, but I don't think it's economically viable.
Personally, I think socialism is naturally nationalistic, and when you mix it whit Sinn Fein's past nationalism...

To get back on topic, these are the slogans of the posters I passed today:

DEFEND THE RURAL AREA!

PROTECT THE LOCAL SERVICES!


Although, I do agree with their aims of tacklin drugs, but that's just what they say on their website, and they seem to be talking about communities, and not society as a whole.

gerryo777

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Pretty much, this goes for SF and the ULA.

Option 1: Target the richest
Reaction: Richest leave Ireland
Option 2: Target Corporation Tax
Reaction: Multinationals leave Ireland
Option 3: Target the next highest up earners and middle earners (to make up for the % loss since the richest left)
Reaction: Those who can leave, leave, those who can't pay. This still will not make up anywhere that is needed from the gap of those who have left and SF and ULA will then be left with no choice but to target the low and middle earners who have no choice but to stay.

I think about all this locally. I am in West Dublin. I see shopping centres, multinationals, business parks, companies like eBay, IBM, Xerox, Symantec, PayPal and many others that are created tens of thousands of jobs for this area.

Unfortunately, I have to concede that FF and FG and LAB are the parties that created the conditions to allow these companies to be here. Whilst some have left and in other parts of the country, many have left, I still ask the question, would any of this have happened with SF and ULA economic politics??

NO

Ratifying this treaty is just another step along the way to a USE, united states of europe, if you like.
When this happens, our low corporation tax rate will be gone. What do you think will happen then?
Middle earners are paying an excessive amount as it is.

wyndhurst

I too have a very simple MORAL, ECONOMIC & POLITICAL compass ---> Whatever Sinn Fein, Richard Boyd Barrett, Joe Higgins and the ULA say - I will do the exact opposite.

gerryo777

wyndhurst wrote: »

I too have a very simple MORAL, ECONOMIC & POLITICAL compass ---> Whatever Sinn Fein, Richard Boyd Barrett, Joe Higgins and the ULA say - I will do the exact opposite.

This is getting scary.
How many more have put FF/FG/Labour in office by thinking this way?

MagicMarker

gerryo777 wrote: »

This is getting scary.
How many more have put FF/FG/Labour in office by thinking this way?

Sinn Fein are doing it all by themselves, by displaying complete and utter incompetence.

gerryo777

MagicMarker wrote: »

Sinn Fein are doing it all by themselves, by displaying complete and utter incompetence.

Can I ask, do you think the current government are competent?

CajunPenguin

I hope Sinn Féinn get voted in next time. Be interesting to see their way of ruining a country after economic collapse and selling our souls to Europe :pac:

wyndhurst

It is a case of dumb and dumber.
Are you telling me that Martin Ferris, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, Inky Aengus Ó Snodaigh , The Baron and 'cannot string one competent sentence together' Johnathon O'Brien are the way forward and more competent than that sorry lot that are already there?

Excuse me for selecting dumb over dumber.

K-9

gerryo777 wrote: »

Always amazes me how people on here always compare the republic with the north.
It's the same with the household tax, you get, "in the north you'd be paying £1,000 per year in a similar household tax" but then completely forget to point out what you get for your £1,000 (e.g. bins collected, free medical care, free schoolbooks etc)


They don't actually . Its always pointed out that people in the North (or anywhere elses where there are property taxes) get something in return for the money that they pay over. Whereas here the €100 household charge/whatever they've got planned to replace it is just a crude revenue raising measure to reduce the deficit by increasing taxes.

But SF aren't opposed to property taxes, they'd do it through a wealth tax. From looking at their manifesto they promise to row back changes on income tax bands, cut or abolish USC on incomes under 75k, increase minimum wage but not tax it, spend on services, restore child benefit and welfare cuts etc. etc., you name it, all to be financed by basically taxing anybody with wealth or incomes over 100k, more tax on profits etc. It's dreamland stuff that a Leaving Cert Economic student would laugh at. It's a shame because there are some decent ideas in there.

pragmatic1

Get used to it OP. They're going after Fianna Fails old spot.

swimming in a sea

forfuxsake wrote: »

It's hard to find a political party in the world that cannot be directly linked with the violent deaths of civilians.

Tory - World wars, etc, etc
Labour - lots of examples under Blair for example
DUP - incitement to murder innocent catholics
FG/FF - Haughey and the IRA, the blueshirts, civil war.
US Republicans and Democrats - Do I need to explain?
Communist Party
Nazi Party

I'm not a SF voter and never have been but I find all the talk about killing people very hypocritical. Politics and war go hand-in-hand and we should look to move past that instead of finger-pointing. Sinn Fein has enough in its policies to attack(as does every other party).

most of those examples are government parties, SF have never been in government and still go around killing people and tell everyone they are doing it for the good of the country, also drugs, knee capping, robberies etc

wendell borton

A political party appealing to the lowest common denominator :eek: :rolleyes:, like thats never happened before.

Sunnyisland

The only party imo that didn't target any core group of people in there election campaigns where the green party,Who then lost all of there credibility when they went into coalition and tried to control the corrupt developers party FF or the real republican party as they like to be known.While there have been some great opinions posted here there have been some pretty downright snobbery ones to.

Sunnyisland

swimming in a sea wrote: »

most of those examples are government parties, SF have never been in government and still go around killing people and tell everyone they are doing it for the good of the country, also drugs, knee capping, robberies etc

SF are in government in the six counties and if you could just pop a link there to them other accusations it be interesting to read.

and links to willie frasier's rants don't count :-)

forfuxsake

swimming in a sea wrote: »

most of those examples are government parties, SF have never been in government and still go around killing people and tell everyone they are doing it for the good of the country, also drugs, knee capping, robberies etc

not true and actually since in government they haven't been accused of killing anyone.

Sinn Fein sells drugs????

To suggest that Sinn Fein sell drugs or kneecaps people or commits robberies tells me that there is little point debating anything with you.

Show Time

K-9 wrote: »

So nearly 400 posts in still no detail on their economic plans, just slogans and populist rhetoric.

Bit like any other political party when you think about it.

golden lane

surely it's the future that matters......people should vote for whatever party they think will do best for them and their children......there is a massive problem with the recession and the euro......

there should a goverment of national unity......the best people from all party's should be in
government....

paddyandy

Politics is nearly always about money at the end of the day .We were not a better nation during the time when it was plentiful .Immature money from immature votes is catastrophic . I see what is passing for art and gets government or taxpayers money and that's only one aspect .No amount of money can cure some of our very bad values .Feelgood is mostly the only important value .I SAW the nonsense during the Tiger years .Crime was rising and cuts in garda presence went on while people remained on hospital trolleys . Crusades of reason might be better than gimme gimme gimme .

Mallei

I think one thing people tend to completely overlook is that a unified Ireland would be a stronger Ireland. So even SF's core tenet of unification would put Ireland in a better position than it is now.

The British/EU lapdogs in power now don't want to upset their precious status quo so they're willing to let the Irish in the six counties rot under the queen of England's whip. It's disgusting.

And I find it hilarious how everyone says "oh we musn't tax the rich, we might upset them"! It's that sort of worshipping of those with money as if they're our social superiors which allowed **** like this recession to happen in the first place. If you've got money, you can do what you want without ever being held to account. Well it's about fcuking time someone did hold them to account.

Wibbs

More of the usual SF stuff, but let's break it down...

Mallei wrote: »

I think one thing people tend to completely overlook is that a unified Ireland would be a stronger Ireland. So even SF's core tenet of unification would put Ireland in a better position than it is now.

On what planet? How much money does the UK government plough into the north on a daily basis? I'll give you a hint it's in the many millions. Where pray tell would we find the money to do similar? This of course ignores the slightly troublesome issue of a good chunk of the locals not being exactly gung ho about joining with our republic.

The British/EU lapdogs in power now don't want to upset their precious status quo so they're willing to let the Irish in the six counties rot under the queen of England's whip.

Rot? Seriously? Good god the hyperbole and frankly nonsense of that sentence would take some beating. You do realise that things have moved forward since the 1960's?

And I find it hilarious how everyone says "oh we musn't tax the rich, we might upset them"! It's that sort of worshipping of those with money as if they're our social superiors which allowed **** like this recession to happen in the first place. If you've got money, you can do what you want without ever being held to account. Well it's about fcuking time someone did hold them to account.

It's got noting to do with worship. In any event SF's idea of "rich" seems to vary. Their taxes would hit the actual working man and woman of this country and hit them hard.

Too often the thinking behind too many SF supporters comes down to the Britz!!:mad:/I dunno much about their policies, but shure wouldn't a change be nice?/I think this is what they stand for, but I don't actually know so I'll project what I think they stand for/They're against the current crowd/they're for the "working man". Delete as applicable. Given we talk endlessly about politics in this country, it's quite amazing how so many are so uninformed on the subject. Doubly amazing when they ally themselves to a particular party. SF supporters are among the most guilty of this IME.

K-9

Show Time wrote: »

Bit like any other political party when you think about it.

True but reading their mainifesto there really is one for everybody in the audience, welfare rises, child benefit increases, tax cuts, more teachers, you name it, all financed by tax increases on the "wealthy", we must have some serious wealth in this country to finance it all.