Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

Fenian Army

The point is that anyone in any other party that might possibly be involved in killing has died by now.

Must have been a few high profile deaths in labour recently!

Fenian Army

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Sorry, I though Haughey was a me feiner and in it for the money.
I'm shocked that money transferred out of his grasp into the hands of the IRA, assuming you can provide a link to prove it.

Considering that the IRA is a secret organisation and the number of people murdered by the IRA because they were accused of informing it's not really a surprise that proof has been hard to obtain.

You never heard of the so called "arms crisis?"

Nodin

Fenian Army wrote: »

Must have been a few high profile deaths in labour recently!

.....not that I know of. Near miss with eejit falling off the lampost though.

Capt'n Midnight

Fenian Army wrote: »

Must have been a few high profile deaths in labour recently!

all ex-SF ?

Ruralyoke

OK, so right back to the start then, in a way.

Let me put it this way.

Social stratification exists. There are a group of people in this country that typically, live in areas of high crime, high unemployment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, low levels of education etc

Call them what you will, disparaging, clinical or romantic terms. But they exist.

Simple question to all SF supporters, who do you think they typically vote for?

shootermacg

where are you from Wibbs?

Sunnyisland

Ruralyoke wrote: »

OK, so right back to the start then, in a way.

Let me put it this way.

Social stratification exists. There are a group of people in this country that typically, live in areas of high crime, high unemployment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, low levels of education etc

Call them what you will, disparaging, clinical or romantic terms. But they exist.

Simple question to all SF supporters, who do you think they typically vote for?

In my area which has all the above types, I fg, 2 labour,1 pbp,1 sf. and in previous elections it was a safe FF seat/s

woodoo

'Hug a unionist' is Sinn Fein strategy going forward

Sunnyisland

The weak and/or uneducated, areas of high crime, high unemployment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, low levels of education etc have existed in this country since this state was founded, Well before SF ever contested elections, Most of them areas voted FF then slowly some FG and then labour came in strong, Even if its a false hope (time will tell) SF is giving them hope where all other parties have neglected and ignored and let them areas go down even further,Payback time for the three major parties.

Monty Burnz

realies wrote: »

The weak and/or uneducated, areas of high crime, high unemployment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, low levels of education etc have existed in this country since this state was founded, Well before SF ever contested elections, Most of them areas voted FF then slowly some FG and then labour came in strong, Even if its a false hope (time will tell) SF is giving them hope where all other parties have neglected and ignored and let them areas go down even further,Payback time for the three major parties.

I think there's a good chance SF will get into government in the next decade, and we'll soon see whether they are these amazing radicals with bizarrely simple solutions for extremely complex problems, or are they politicians like any others - except instead of ties to dodgy businessmen, they have ties to dodgy criminal organisations.

Dyr

Reminds me of the comment that Gerry always sounds like he's speaking Irish off an autocue. :pac:

Sunnyisland

Monty Burns wrote: »

I think there's a good chance SF will get into government in the next decade, and we'll soon see whether they are these amazing radicals with bizarrely simple solutions for extremely complex problems, or are they politicians like any others - except instead of ties to dodgy businessmen, they have ties to dodgy criminal organisations.

Time will tell, but the original op post goes on as if no one ever canvassed or promised these same disadvantage areas the sun moon or stars before,As some one else posted earlier whats new about this ? They all do it.Maybe its because SF are better at it than the others ?

daddydick

wyndhurst wrote: »

I too have a very simple MORAL, ECONOMIC & POLITICAL compass ---> Whatever Sinn Fein, Richard Boyd Barrett, Joe Higgins and the ULA say - I will do the exact opposite.

I agree 100%. You can add Clare Daly to that list. These people are absolute vermin and have no place on the national stage.

Monty Burnz

realies wrote: »

Time will tell, but the original op post goes on as if no one ever canvassed or promised these same disadvantage areas the sun moon or stars before,As some one else posted earlier whats new about this ? They all do it.Maybe its because SF are better at it than the others ?

Indeed. The problem is that people from 'disadvantaged' areas have often disadvantaged themselves, and waiting for someone else to come along a drag you out of intellectual/cultural poverty is usually a total waste of time. But they seem ready to hear the easy answers and vote accordingly - I guess if they were educated enough to see through it, they wouldn't be 'disadvantaged'.

Dyr

daddydick wrote: »

I agree 100%. You can add Clare Daly to that list. These people are absolute vermin and have no place on the national stage.

Ah you're right, we should keep the national stage reserved for the elite, like bertie, george redmond, denis o'brien and all those other upstanding, right-thinking pillars of society. Sure they got us where we are today, unlike those vermin.

It's funny how you read boards and begin to wonder if we don't need another wee civil war to sort a few things out :pac:

Sunnyisland

Monty Burns wrote: »

Indeed. The problem is that people from 'disadvantaged' areas have often disadvantaged themselves, and waiting for someone else to come along a drag you out of intellectual/cultural poverty is usually a total waste of time. But they seem ready to hear the easy answers and vote accordingly - I guess if they were educated enough to see through it, they wouldn't be 'disadvantaged'.[/QUOTE]



That be a whole new interesting thread and opinions

Monty Burnz

Bambi wrote: »

It's funny how you read boards and begin to wonder if we don't need another wee civil war to sort a few things out :pac:

Indeed. I think rooting out the dissenters is a common first step for 'socialist' governments - eventually you get to 'four legs good, two legs better'...

forfuxsake

Ruralyoke wrote: »

OK, so right back to the start then, in a way.

Let me put it this way.

Social stratification exists. There are a group of people in this country that typically, live in areas of high crime, high unemployment, high levels of teenage pregnancy, low levels of education etc

Call them what you will, disparaging, clinical or romantic terms. But they exist.

Simple question to all SF supporters, who do you think they typically vote for?

Statistically they are the least likely to vote at all.

Johro

Dudess wrote: »

The above doesn't in any way mitigate what the IRA did, nor did that poster praise FF/FG.
What was done to Catholics was super disgusting and there was bound to be retaliation, but it went miles and miles too far.
I actually agree with a lot of SF policies though.

Me too. See, I thought we were all moving on. But apparently we're not.

paddyandy

All Societies become stratified sooner or later .Where has that not happened .When revolutions toppled old governments oligarchies emerged .Equality doesn't make sense because of a natural tendency to 'evaluate compare and classify 'That's why pure socialism is dreamy and naive therefore it needs the sobering campanionship with and effects of capitalism .Ireland has problems that have little to do with money and more to do with demands and perceptions of ourselves and each other .

Wibbs

shootermacg wrote: »

where are you from Wibbs?

Dublin, going back many generations on one side, on the other going back a fair few, then back to Donegal. If I may be so bold, why do you ask?

shootermacg

Dublin mentality, if you don't know what it is, you're living it, just like generations of dubs before you. Course you're proud of it, but the question is....proud of what?

Johro

wyndhurst wrote: »

I too have a very simple MORAL, ECONOMIC & POLITICAL compass ---> Whatever Sinn Fein, Richard Boyd Barrett, Joe Higgins and the ULA say - I will do the exact opposite.

That's a very simple compass indeed.

Monty Burnz

shootermacg wrote: »

Dublin mentality, if you don't know what it is, you're living it, just like generations of dubs before you. Course you're proud of it, but the question is....proud of what?

It really does make things simpler when you apply labels to vast swathes of people, doesn't it? Us and them, Dubs and Non-Dubs, Catholics and Protestants, British and Irish, Real Irish and West Brits...

Wibbs

shootermacg wrote: »

Dublin mentality, if you don't know what it is, you're living it, just like generations of dubs before you. Course you're proud of it, but the question is....proud of what?

Ehhhh,where did 1916 really kick off? Oh that's right, Dublin. Sounds to me like narrow minded chip on the shoulder culshie at work. Thankfully "culshie" in the vast majority of cases isn't a geographical mindset. I've know enough Dublin culshies over the years and known enough country folks who weren't to convince me of this.

You do know just ranting "west brit" would have saved you typing time? TBH I'm a little let down. Maybe a reference to "Jackeen" would have passed muster? If in your mind that's what passes for an argument in this debate you're on a hidin' to nowhere outa the gate. BTW where did pride come into it? You really shouldn't throw stones in glasshouse, particularly if said glass is frosted to he point of opacity by your own viewpoint. A banal one at that.

TL;DR? come up with something approaching a better argument.

shootermacg

Wibbs wrote: »

Ehhhh,where did 1916 really kick off? Oh that's right, Dublin. Sounds to me like narrow minded chip on the shoulder culshie at work. Thankfully "culshie" in the vast majority of cases isn't a geographical mindset. I've know enough Dublin culshies over the years and known enough country folks who weren't to convince me of this.

You do know just ranting "west brit" would have saved you typing time? TBH I'm a little let down. Maybe a reference to "Jackeen" would have passed muster? If in your mind that's what passes for an argument in this debate you're on a hidin' to nowhere outa the gate. BTW where did pride come into it? You really shouldn't throw stones in glasshouse, particularly if said glass is frosted tot he point of opacity by your own viewpoint. A banal one at that.

TL;DR? come up with something approaching a better argument.

This post is pretty much the Dublin mentality, I don't have to say a word, I can just pick out some of your choice words. "West Brit?"
I have more respect for the brits, than for you.

Smidge

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Indeed. The problem is that people from 'disadvantaged' areas have often disadvantaged themselves, and waiting for someone else to come along a drag you out of intellectual/cultural poverty is usually a total waste of time. But they seem ready to hear the easy answers and vote accordingly - I guess if they were educated enough to see through it, they wouldn't be 'disadvantaged'.

You are joking right?

Please say you are

Mallei

Wibbs you're embarrassing yourself in this thread. I suggest you go to bed before you do your side of the argument any more harm.

Monty Burnz

mishkalucy wrote: »

You are joking right?

Guess again. Can I now expect a socialist rant straight out of the late 1800s?

shootermacg

Mallei wrote: »

Wibbs you're embarrassing yourself in this thread. I suggest you go to bed before you do your side of the argument any more harm.

I agree how is this guy moderating a forum when he's blatantly elitist which is IMO worse than racist because it's racism within one's own race.