Maria Divine Mercy

angeleyes

Just wondering if anyone has heard of Maria Divine Mercy and seen the website www.thewarningsecondcoming.com and if so what you make of it all.

I think myself the messages are pretty powerful but we have to wait and see if anything is going to happen this year.

Baggio1

ditto what you say have been following it carefully,,, we shall see what it comes to or not...

gimmebroadband

One priest in 'Alive' magazine pretty much said to steer clear of her messages. Some have been in conflict with church doctrine.

PDN

The theology of this 'seer' seems to be very bizarre.

I see on the website a purported message from Jesus complaining about how much he is being hurt by false sects, and begging his followers to ease his suffering by praying. Apparently false teachers are making Jesus tremble, and he would do anything to change their minds, but their hearts are too black. In fact, says Jesus, the only thing that can work here is the suffering of his daughter. It's not clear whether the 'daughter' of the Son of God (that would be God's grandaughter) refers to the 'seer' or to the Church (in which case the Bride of Christ is also his daughter).

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/pain-and-persecution-inflicted-upon-me-by-those-sects-who-work-in-secret-to-topple-the-holy-see-is-severe/

This confused and paganistic theology is a total perversion of the biblical teaching that Jesus is the risen and ascended Son of God, that all power and authority now belongs to Him, and that He is seated at the Father's right hand making intercession for the saints.

homer911

PDN wrote: »

The theology of this 'seer' seems to be very bizarre.

I see on the website a purported message from Jesus complaining about how much he is being hurt by false sects, and begging his followers to ease his suffering by praying. Apparently false teachers are making Jesus tremble, and he would do anything to change their minds, but their hearts are too black. In fact, says Jesus, the only thing that can work here is the suffering of his daughter. It's not clear whether the 'daughter' of the Son of God (that would be God's grandaughter) refers to the 'seer' or to the Church (in which case the Bride of Christ is also his daughter).

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/pain-and-persecution-inflicted-upon-me-by-those-sects-who-work-in-secret-to-topple-the-holy-see-is-severe/

This confused and paganistic theology is a total perversion of the biblical teaching that Jesus is the risen and ascended Son of God, that all power and authority now belongs to Him, and that He is seated at the Father's right hand making intercession for the saints.

Certainly doesnt sound like the God I know and love!

smcgiff

angeleyes wrote: »

I think myself the messages are pretty powerful but we have to wait and see if anything is going to happen this year.

Or the year after, or the year after that (and repeat)...

The only clever thing about this is that they don't mention an end date, only soon. Soon, as we know, may be sometime in the future that... well, any day now. (whistles).

Somehow a leaflet got published that predited 2011. Of course this was an admin error

prinz

I was listening to the radio a few nights ago to an otherwise articulate and educated young Canadian lady who had some bizarre ideas on the second coming too. Apparently the second coming has already happened and God is in fact a Puerto Rican ex-con recovering heroin addict living in Texas to whom she has been giving a tenth of all her income (along with many more like her). This god predicted that the Vatican would go up in flames and the world would end by the 30th June this year. Conveniently enough to help him achieve this task he has had to go into hiding.... (presumably along with a lot of cash..and never to reappear). So this lady was fully convinced by the 1st of July she'd have the ability to transport herself around the planet, walk through walls, and fly. Something about 2012 is bringing them all to the surface.

Puck

From the front page of the site:

Jesus Christ, she says, will now return to save mankind in a spectacular global event where our sins will be revealed to us in order that we can convert before the Second Coming of Christ.

So... wait... so Jesus will return in a big event where our sins will be revealed so that we can convert before the Second Coming?

So he's coming back to warn us that he's coming back (again?).

lmaopml

The Children of Garabandel have withdrawn their statements since they grew up, married and have children - most just seperate themselves entirely from their youth, and rarely speak publicly.

They are not recognised by the Church at all - in fact every single Bishop of the diocese from the time of the apparitions themselves have publicly stated that it's definitely not worthy of note in any way.

However, like everything there are some that will twist and others will turn and see some correlation - like any end times enthusiast.

Sonics2k

Claims like this are a dime a dozen, really.

Baggio1

ill hold opinion on it... coz would hate to laugh it off and it all come true... the comment about the see'ers theology?,, um from what has been stated she's been told to simply write down the messages as given, no interperation or theological opinion from her at all... so i dont think THAT criticsm stands to be honest.


i see the latest message has strong reference concerning the vatican2 and the infiltration of masons who made sure to write out ST.Michael's importance in the life of the church etc... which has always been MY opinion so i agree on that for sure....oddly enough this was also mentioned at the bayside visions etc aswell.

i suppose if nothing happens from all of this ill open the bubbly and party on as previously promised,, ive lost nothing by viewing and thinking etc.... just IF it all comes to pass well OUCH!!

regarding why he's coming to save us in the warning i think people misunderstand - its a way of awakening mankind MOST of who have lost faith/have no faith so that WHEN the chastisement does begin in earnest that many more souls can be saved and not lost in the disasters,wars,reighn of the AC etc etc

thats what i make of it.... now stands and waits for the stoning! hahahah

lmaopml

Nobody will 'stone' you baggio , you wouldn't be the first or last to look at the signs of the times and see something that isn't there - You are just one of those who are waiting for the 'sign' - I think the Children of Garabandel ( if one actually looks at the videos ) have very little to share, mostly just weirdness - running backwards down hills at speed, and really some extraordinary traits, but nothing that is inline with the concept that 'Nobody knows the day or the hour', that means nobody at all - the message was condemned conclusively by the Church a long time ago. It is not worth your time.

It's time to let that stuff go, and move on despite the ordinary life -

angeleyes

But haven't the seers in Medjudgorje also received secrets from Our Lady as well ? Usually the monthly messages are calling people to pray more and open their hearts to Jesus.

I think 2011 was meant to be the year of purification and we are now in the latter part of the Tribulation. Not sure what that means but I have to admit that I am intrigued by the almost daily messages that come from MDM.

lmaopml

angeleyes wrote: »

But haven't the seers in Medjudgorje also received secrets from Our Lady as well ? Usually the monthly messages are calling people to pray more and open their hearts to Jesus.

I think 2011 was meant to be the year of purification and we are now in the latter part of the Tribulation. Not sure what that means but I have to admit that I am intrigued by the almost daily messages that come from MDM.

Almost 30 million pilgrims later, which is far too late - some of whom have found strength in their faith no doubt, some good - Medjugorje is not a place that is condoned either in any way by the Church.

- In fact, the CDF will most likely upset a lot of people, or make a lot of people very happy very soon - They take their time, as they should because sometimes these things take time.

The seers are still 'seeing' - I think it's a sham! I can't help but think it, and they don't live a life conducive to their extraordinary claims, like so many others who's lives changed beyond recognition - in fact some priests have been defrocked, but continue to bear witness to these seers, and are misleading people.

I wonder do people know this stuff, before they arrange a trip, very many tourists are from America? Sincerely, a trek along the 'Way of St. James' - any path depending on where one starts is more worth while imo.

HamletOrHecuba

angeleyes wrote: »

But haven't the seers in Medjudgorje also received secrets from Our Lady as well ? Usually the monthly messages are calling people to pray more and open their hearts to Jesus.

No she has not, though its open as whether its a demon pretending Our Lady or a fraud- either way its satanic. And no the nice parts of the messages dont prove its from God if they are there to undermine the Gospel and spread error.

http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/medjugorje.htm

Baggio1

interesting thoughts although am not certain garrabandell or medjugoria have been officially "condemned" as such, am up for correction,,, so again am sitting on the shakey fence.

something just feels "right" for me concerning this final see'r.. i dunno call it a hunch, wishfull thinking, elightenment, luck!! i dunno it just feels right and true but again if it turns out fake I will not be dumbfounded,, i DO believe in the coming warning but as said before NOTHING will happen till Benedict has been removed - again have always thought this will happen to be honest.

regarding stoning?! ah come on!! i left a few bricks there, some rough ones and a few smooth ones and a packet of gravel!! haha

HamletOrHecuba

Baggio1 wrote: »

interesting thoughts although am not certain garrabandell or medjugoria have been officially "condemned" as such, am up for correction,,, so again am sitting on the shakey fence.

something just feels "right" for me concerning this final see'r.. i dunno call it a hunch, wishfull thinking, elightenment, luck!! i dunno it just feels right and true but again if it turns out fake I will not be dumbfounded,, i DO believe in the coming warning but as said before NOTHING will happen till Benedict has been removed - again have always thought this will happen to be honest.

regarding stoning?! ah come on!! i left a few bricks there, some rough ones and a few smooth ones and a packet of gravel!! haha

I remember the Church version of neo-cons saying that the next Pope after JP II would be the false prophet or Antichrist- than after he died we get finally though an extreme liberal at least a believing Christian after the horrors of that Papacy (these people of course loved JP II); that was in Britain maybe it was different in Ireland? This nonsense was of course based on certain "seers".

How do you know that Pope Benedict will be removed?

My guess is he will die a natural death and than we will get a stronger Pope who will really begin the purging.

Sonics2k

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

My guess is he will die a natural death and than we will get a stronger Pope who will really begin the purging.

Anyone else get nervous when this word gets used?

prinz

Sonics2k wrote: »

Anyone else get nervous when this word gets used?

Only when used in relation to bulimia and anorexia nervosa.

PDN

Baggio1 wrote: »

ill hold opinion on it... coz would hate to laugh it off and it all come true... the comment about the see'ers theology?,, um from what has been stated she's been told to simply write down the messages as given, no interperation or theological opinion from her at all... so i dont think THAT criticsm stands to be honest.

It does stand, because theology includes what we know to be true about God. If this 'seer' is receiving communications that are contradictory to what has already been revealed about God and Jesus, then she is either a liar who makes stuff up, or else she is genuinely receiving messages from a supernatural source that is pretending to be Jesus. Of course she could also just be off her rocker.

So it would appear that she is either a liar, or a deluded medium, or bat-crap crazy. But there are a certain number of people in any society who are attracted to wild-eyed apocalyptic rantings of doom and gloom - and so I have no doubt that she will attract a following of sorts.

Benny_Cake

lmaopml wrote: »

Almost 30 million pilgrims later, which is far too late - some of whom have found strength in their faith no doubt, some good - Medjugorje is not a place that is condoned either in any way by the Church.

- In fact, the CDF will most likely upset a lot of people, or make a lot of people very happy very soon - They take their time, as they should because sometimes these things take time.

The seers are still 'seeing' - I think it's a sham! I can't help but think it, and they don't live a life conducive to their extraordinary claims, like so many others who's lives changed beyond recognition - in fact some priests have been defrocked, but continue to bear witness to these seers, and are misleading people.

I wonder do people know this stuff, before they arrange a trip, very many tourists are from America? Sincerely, a trek along the 'Way of St. James' - any path depending on where one starts is more worth while imo.

The proximity of Medjugorje to Dubrovnik and the beaches of Croatia shouldn't be forgotten when you see a figure like 30 million visitors! I know quite a few people who visited on a day trip from Dubrovnik just out of curiousity. It's all nonsense in my opinion, but let them at it I sat.

lmaopml

Benny_Cake wrote: »

The proximity of Medjugorje to Dubrovnik and the beaches of Croatia shouldn't be forgotten when you see a figure like 30 million visitors! I know quite a few people who visited on a day trip from Dubrovnik just out of curiousity. It's all nonsense in my opinion, but let them at it I sat.

I think very many visit out of curiosity and very many may very well find peace because they are accompanied by good companions and they pray and are on a pilgrimage...

Still, I worry if one places their faith in soley these pilgrimages and seers, and all of a sudden they become more real, or consume people so much so as to think this 'revelation' is the beginning and end, a 'special' revelation or perhaps more properly expressed a new one - It's one thing being called to prayer and closer to God, it's quite another to put your faith in a seer at the detriment of the core of faith. The problem with these things is that sometimes a person can invest too much in the wrong place.

newmug

PDN wrote: »

It does stand, because theology includes what we know to be true about God. If this 'seer' is receiving communications that are contradictory to what has already been revealed about God and Jesus, then she is either a liar who makes stuff up, or else she is genuinely receiving messages from a supernatural source that is pretending to be Jesus. Of course she could also just be off her rocker.

So it would appear that she is either a liar, or a deluded medium, or bat-crap crazy. But there are a certain number of people in any society who are attracted to wild-eyed apocalyptic rantings of doom and gloom - and so I have no doubt that she will attract a following of sorts.

But what is she saying thats contrary to Jesus' message? So far everything seems to make sense, to me at least. We know Jesus will come again, we know there will be an anti-christ, we know there will be a new Heaven and Earth for those who God chooses. Thats the gist of whar she's saying. Is there any particular thing you think she's miles off with PDN?

lmaopml wrote: »

It's one thing being called to prayer and closer to God, it's quite another to put your faith in a seer at the detriment of the core of faith. The problem with these things is that sometimes a person can invest too much in the wrong place.

Bingo. If it is the devil pretending to be Jesus, thats exactly the tactic he's using.

PDN

newmug wrote: »

But what is she saying thats contrary to Jesus' message? So far everything seems to make sense, to me at least. We know Jesus will come again, we know there will be an anti-christ, we know there will be a new Heaven and Earth for those who God chooses. Thats the gist of whar she's saying. Is there any particular thing you think she's miles off with PDN?

The poor helpless Jesus that begs His daughter (still waiting for someone to explain that one) to pray because he's all a-trembling at the power of the false cults. That is miles off any kind of historic understanding of Christianity.

newmug

PDN wrote: »

The poor helpless Jesus that begs His daughter (still waiting for someone to explain that one)

The way I took that one, sure we're all children of God (are we not?). I wouldn't see it as any different to calling a priest "father" when he obviously isnt.

PDN wrote: »

to pray because he's all a-trembling at the power of the false cults. That is miles off any kind of historic understanding of Christianity.

I hate spiders. I know they can never hurt me, and i'm like a skyscraper to them, but I still shudder when I see one. Same, no? And he's asking her to pray for them, to save their souls, is he not? Thats how I read it anyway.

The thing that really drew my attention to all this was the "keep abortion out of Ireland" bit. I read it and thought "Pah, what a fake. Everybody knows abortion is illegal in Ireland". A week later, clare Daly from the socialist party (yes, the one with links to communism who tried to stamp out religion in Russia) brought a bill into the dail to vote on legalising it!!!! WTF like? And now there's a govt quango looking into whether or not we should legalise it!!! Either this wan is genuine or she had previous knowledge of a lot of high ranking govt stuff!

Cato Maior

newmug wrote: »

The thing that really drew my attention to all this was the "keep abortion out of Ireland" bit. I read it and thought "Pah, what a fake. Everybody knows abortion is illegal in Ireland". A week later, clare Daly from the socialist party (yes, the one with links to communism who tried to stamp out religion in Russia) brought a bill into the dail to vote on legalising it!!!! WTF like? And now there's a govt quango looking into whether or not we should legalise it!!! Either this wan is genuine or she had previous knowledge of a lot of high ranking govt stuff!

Eh ... one of the government parties has had a long standing commitment to legislate in line with the X-case. Also, under the x-case judgement, abortion in Ireland is already legal under the constitution: the Oireachtas has decided, to date, not to give this any legislative effect, but it remains legal nonetheless.

newmug

Cato Maior wrote: »

Eh ... one of the government parties has had a long standing commitment to legislate in line with the X-case. Also, under the x-case judgement, abortion in Ireland is already legal under the constitution: the Oireachtas has decided, to date, not to give this any legislative effect, but it remains legal nonetheless.

It aint reality though. You cant just walk into an abortion clinic and say you had a shag with someone you didnt know and now you dont want the baby. Oh and, eh, you're suicidal about it.

The question still remains, how did this wan know all this abortion stuff was coming up?

Baggio1

um well spotted newmug

pdn?? to be honest am dumbstruck that you cant see christ referring to any woman as his daughter and any man as his son we are ALL sons and daughters of Christ.... it makes perfect sense to refer to us in that way.

to an earlier poster,,, i just loo across the spectrum of seeérs both now and in the past, a pope WILL have to flee Rome, st.malachies propcecies of the popes has been staggeringly accurate and there are to be no more after Benedict - except a false pope who is the false prophet - he will take it over when Benedict is gone and change the church from the inside to be NOT the way God wishes it to be.

and ok ok we can argue forever pro catholic anti bla bla lets not go down that route... IF as WE believe the catholic church is the one true church since Christ´s finding of it then he will NOT allow it to be destroyed,, but will allow it to split so as to sift the wheat from the chaff. bottom line is the AC IS here now and will wait for world events to allow him to come forward. its sid i THINK in Peter´s part of the bible about how the "man of sin/perdition" will come forth once the restraining influence is removed. i believe again when Benedict leaves then this guy along with the false pope will step forward.

not literaly "together" but around the same time.

gimmebroadband

@Baggio1. Mark Mallett did an excellent article last month on the so-called black Pope/anti-christ, worth a look!

If a pope were imprisoned, silenced, forced to flee, or replaced by an invalidly elected anti-pope or any number of other possible scenarios, the true vicar of the Church would still remain as Christ said: Peter is rock.

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/2012/04/a-black-pope/

newmug

Baggio1 wrote: »

to an earlier poster,,, i just loo across the spectrum of seeérs both now and in the past, a pope WILL have to flee Rome, st.malachies propcecies of the popes has been staggeringly accurate and there are to be no more after Benedict - except a false pope who is the false prophet - he will take it over when Benedict is gone and change the church from the inside to be NOT the way God wishes it to be.

I dunno Baggio. There's so many possible views on it all. Some people think JP2 was the AP. He came along with all this new enthusiasm, and really put into practice the changes of Vatican 2. Was he the one leading the sheep away? Was it coincidence his predecessor, JP1, died? Was he killed? Was that the "fleeing" of a pope? Is it coincidence JP1 held office for 33 days? Thats a number that keeps coming up, 333 v 666, Jesus was 33 when he died etc.

JP2 certainly was a remarkable man, he was the first non-Italian pope ages, first Polish pope ever, and Jesus said in a prediction to St. Faustina (a POLISH nun) that he would send a sign that his predictions to her were true - a Polish pope! Then again, maybe it wasnt Jesus appearing to St. Faustina? If JP2 was the AP (which I dont believe personally), where does Benny 16 fit into it all?

Maybe the AP was Luther. Not to start a Catholic v Protestant thing here, but he did start providing a Christianity-lite, and people flocked to it. Was he the one leading sheep away? In an Irish context at least, Protestantism was more about politics and social connections than God. The fact that whoever was ruler of the country could be the "pope" meant there would be hundreds of popes at once, all having different views on things (the "blending" of religions into one abomination?). And the over reliance on the Bible, almost replacing Jesus with a fixation on it, could be like the diversional tactic used by the devil that was mentioned earlier in the thread!!! The Bible, while extremely significant, is not God himself. The Word of God, a historical record of Jesus's life, a collection of stories relating to Judaism and Christianity, independant witness accounts of events around Jesus's death? Extra significant because all these things were in one place, at a time when literacy was akin to astro-physics nowadays? Yes, the Bible is all these things. But Christianity did not just stop when the writing of the Bible ended.

Also, Fatima. What about the 3rd secret, a pope being shot at in a half crumbled city? The first two (hell and the two world wars) were spot on whether they were from God or the other fella. Why was it the Jews that were persecuted during WW2? Coincidence that Jesus was a Jew? Incidentally it is the 90th aniversary of the first apparition today. I have a funny feeling not half of the third secret was disclosed to the public. Who was the pope being shot at (ie JP1 or JP2?)? Where is the city? What is the significance of it all? If there's an AP, was he supposed to come after whatever pope that was in the vision? If you hold the view that it was JP2 in the vision, that would make Benny the AP!!!

The Church was started by God, but continued by sinners. It will never be perfect, but it is the only route to Jesus Christ. I suppose the only thing we can cling on to is that as long as the teachings of Christ are at the core of whatever any pope says, then he cant be the AP.

Baggio1 wrote: »

and ok ok we can argue forever pro catholic anti bla bla lets not go down that route... IF as WE believe the catholic church is the one true church since Christ´s finding of it then he will NOT allow it to be destroyed,, but will allow it to split so as to sift the wheat from the chaff.

Hmmm, good point.

Baggio1 wrote: »

bottom line is the AC IS here now and will wait for world events to allow him to come forward. its sid i THINK in Peter´s part of the bible about how the "man of sin/perdition" will come forth once the restraining influence is removed. i believe again when Benedict leaves then this guy along with the false pope will step forward.

So who do you think it is?

PDN

newmug wrote: »

Maybe the AP was Luther. Not to start a Catholic v Protestant thing here, but he did start providing a Christianity-lite, and people flocked to it.

Stop Trolling. If you want to coat-trail that kind of stuff then take it to the Protestant/Catholic Megathread.