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Seen & Found

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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    A fascinating discovery in Co. Roscommon:

    https://www.archaeology.org/news/9941-210816-ireland-wooden-idol



  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    That is really brilliant- I would love to see a clearer pic of it full length, it looks really impressive. You would wonder how common carver wooden effigies like this would have been in the pre-Christian era.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    There's a link to an article in the Irish Examiner on that page which shows more images of the find. It also states that about a dozen such idols have been found in Ireland to date. There's a lovely example of one on display in the National Museum on Kildare street.



  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    Thanks HM- I looked at the article too, I think I'm going to have to wait the three years to see it upright! There are a couple in the NM and I find them strangely compelling- the lack of expression on the faces is a bit scary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    I can only recall seeing one in the Kingship & Sacrifice exhibition section of the National Museum. That one is rather small looking compared to the recent one found. I think the theory posited in the exhibition is that these idols may have been used as territorial boundary markers. Should be interesting to see what it looks like when fully conserved. As you say, it looks like we'll have to wait several years before we can see it on display. Yeah, you could imagine the fear and anguish a wayward traveller would feel coming face to face with one of these figures in a dank, misty midlands bog!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,840 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,840 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    Possible Cursus?


    I spotted this linear cropmark on the NMS Historic Environment Viewer today. It's not recorded on the SMR database.

    It comprises two parallel linear cropmarks measuring approximately 180 metres in length, and is oriented NW-SE. There may be what looks like a terminus at the SE end, perhaps?

    I've checked the historic maps, and it doesn't appear to have been part of a former field boundary.

    It lies in tillage in the townland of Tawnrush in south Kildare. Brewel Hill and its associated cursus monument lie approximately 8 kilometres to the E-SE.

    It would also appear to be oriented towards the summit of Keadeen. It doesn't have any other prehistoric monuments in close proximity.

    The cropmarks are only visible on the Digital Globe satellite imagery of the Historic Environment Viewer, if anyone wants to take a closer look.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    That returns a "bad link" error. You don't need to use the image tags any more, just paste the url and press enter at the end of it to embed it.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    I think you have a rectilinear enclosure there rather than a linear. There is a return at the western end that runs NNE. Possibly a moated site.

    Also visible on Google Earth (04 2011 imagery)




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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    Thanks, Slowburner.

    Wishful thinking on my part. Never mind! I'll keep looking 🙂.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Just my opinion. It’s still well worth filling out a monument report form and getting a second opinion. It might not be a cursus monument but it’s still a significant find.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,840 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyone else getting a u/p prompt on the OSI mapviewer?


    http://map.geohive.ie/mapviewer.html



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Same here at that link and it’s been ‘not secure’ for a while now. Something to do with an outdated certificate or something. Or is it something more sinister?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,840 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there is this warning on the main page on osi.ie:

    "Forms on this website are experiencing a technical issue and we are working to resolve this. Please refrain from filling out any forms on the site until this notice is deleted."

    and i found this link further down, but it doesn't seem to have any layers selectable (as well as being exceptionally slow to load):

    https://webapps.geohive.ie/mapviewer/index.html



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    You may need to edit the links and remove the [img] tags, they're not needed in "new" Boards and are only breaking the links. If you press enter at the end of the corrected URLs, the images will be embedded.

    This is the first one:




  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    Thank you, New Home.

    Yeah, "new" Boards is a pain in the hole to navigate, hence, why I haven't been around for quite some time.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Great find. Based on the photos, I think it is porphyritic andesite from Lambay Island. Nice to see the knapping scars on the sides and it appears that there is no damage to the cutting edge. Possibly never used.

    Well done on the find and it’s great to hear that you will be in touch with the duty officer. It’s a good idea to record the coordinates as accurately as possible and maybe make a few notes on the soil too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭HoteiMarkii


    Thanks, slowburner.

    There's a few tiny nibbles on the cutting edge. There's a fresh scrape on one face of the axe where it may have been clipped by the plough, but apart from that it's in very good shape.

    The plan was to get an email off to the duty officer in Kildare street this evening, but just didn't get round to it. I'll do so tomorrow with a bit of luck, and send all relevant information as you've suggested.

    I'm not sure if we'll ever find out if it is porphyritic andesite as you've suggested. Someone on this forum suggested the last axehead I found was dolerite, but I never had that confirmed by the NMI. I believe the ISAP team from UCD used to examine axes that were submitted to the NMI? It would be nice to get a follow-up report following its examination. I hate the thought of just handing it over and not hearing anything about it again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭grizzly_beer


    Any idea what this is? I'm sure its something totally mundane and modern. I'm just curious.

    Looks like part of a pipe with a cap on the end.

    Thanks!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    It looks like an axle pin from a digger bucket or from some kind of agricultural machinery. It is not old.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭grizzly_beer




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Just happened to be one on site



  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Rmulvany


    While clearing out some soil in our garden to prep for a garden shed I came across a section of a clay pipe.


    The engraving is hard to read but we believe it says

    THE DUBLIN

    FREE TRADE

    PROTECTOR


    Not sure what this might relate to, if indeed we have read it correctly.

    Regardless, happy with my find!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    Could it read ‘The Dublin United Trades Association’?

    There was a range of pipes associated with Dublin trade unions in the 1880s. Either way, the pipe is from that decade.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Hi all, haven't been on Boards in years, but I am in the process of perhaps reporting some monuments, and I am at the stage where I am either getting carried away and imagining things, or I have a lot of work ahead of me.

    So I thought I may post a few shots here if you don't mind, and maybe I can get a few opinions on whether these things are worth reporting?

    I have many things, but just to check if anybody's looking, I will start with this simple one: are these pockmarks a natural feature? These are wetlands and I'm pretty sure they are natural, but there are also man made features in that same area so... I think the raised ones on the left are more than likely tree stumps from the forestry. What do you think? Thank you

    edit: Also Slowburner, is there someone at the National Monuments Survey that can be contacted in person rather than making multiple reports for things and possibly wasting people's time? Thanks.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 59,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Hmm, I'll try have a look later



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,218 Mod ✭✭✭✭slowburner


    The pockmarks are probably the result of either stone exploitation or stone removal. Are there surface boulders in nearby fields?

    They are very similar to the pockmarks in the landscape pictured below and these I know to be the product of field stone exploitation.

    I think Michael Moore might be the person to contact for your area. If not, I am sure he will put you in touch with the right person. I know they had a reshuffle recently



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