Shootings In France

RichieC

According to a report from France’s Le Point newspaper, the country’s prosecutor believes Monday’s killer may be linked to two other incidents inside France recently, where the only leads police have trace back to former members of a French paratrooper division who were discharged for being closely linked to Neo -Nazis.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/03/19/french-prosecutor-killer-at-jewish-school-may-be-linked-to-neo-nazi-group/

Ellis Dee

KeithM89 wrote: »

Yeah that big red card beside his post shows it wasnt acceptable.

Thanks for the explanation. I hadn't seen it until I read your reply and actually it's something new for me. I'm still a bit of a novice with all the icons, but I'm doing my best to learn.:)

brimal

Ellis Dee wrote: »

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Christ... one hour later and you are still seething.

I called you what I think you are for using the death of Jewish children to push your anti-Israel agenda. I stand by it. I have received an infraction for it, and have moved on.

Now you are asking me for an apology? And calling me a bully? You know this is the internet, right?? Move on.

You haven't added any on-topic posts to this thread. No condemnation, no sympathy, etc. Just transparent attempts at 'Oh no, Jews getting sympathy, quick - let's show what Israel has done!'

Even the most ardent critics of Israel on Boards have contributed to this thread without a mention of Israel (because the thread has NOTHING to do with Israel's crimes)

So I suggest start a new thread on this topic you feel so strongly about, and move on.

I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts, unless they are on-topic.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Manic Moran wrote: »

The combination of going against both Jews and the military is an odd one, though. The only connection I can think of off the top of my head is that the French have a hefty presence in Lebanon by the Israeli border. Is it possible they pissed off some pro-Hezbullah types during their mission there?

I'd doubt thats the reason for the attacks in France as Hezbollah or any of the pro-Hezbollah groups in Lebanon wouldn't pause for a second thought by targeting French-Batt patrols with an IED in Lebanon.

Gee Bag

On first impression I would have assumed that this was the work of an Islamic jihadi type. But then thats what everyone assumed at first about the Oklahoma Bombing. It is an election year in France so maybe this d1ck is just trying to stir up racist/immigration nonsense in advance.

Border-Rat

Its an attack by disillusioned member/s of the far-right according to French media Former Paratrooper/s, I hear. Kicked out for National Socialist beliefs. Whoever this was is a disgusting individual to attack a school with children. Insane individual.

By the way, nobody seems to want to make the obvious connection here but this is the fourth Jew gunned down in France in 6 months. The first was billionaire Claud Dray. That was a professional hit, he had state of the art security in his mansion. The assassin evaded the guards, cameras, lazer traps etc and shot him three times in the neck with a silencer. I'd say this could be the same person and/or group.

Border-Rat

Gee Bag wrote: »

On first impression I would have assumed that this was the work of an Islamic jihadi type. But then thats what everyone assumed at first about the Oklahoma Bombing. It is an election year in France so maybe this d1ck is just trying to stir up racist/immigration nonsense in advance.

Not an Islamic attack;

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/03/19/french-prosecutor-killer-at-jewish-school-may-be-linked-to-neo-nazi-group/

Nodin

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its an attack by disillusioned member/s of the far-right according to French media Former Paratrooper/s, I hear. Kicked out for National Socialist beliefs. Whoever this was is a disgusting individual to attack a school with children. Insane individual.

By the way, nobody seems to want to make the obvious connection here but this is the fourth Jew gunned down in France in 6 months. The first was billionaire Claud Dray. That was a professional hit, he had state of the art security in his mansion. The assassin evaded the guards, cameras, lazer traps etc and shot him three times in the neck with a silencer. I'd say this could be the same person and/or group.

......or perhaps it was nothing to do with it at all. Perhaps such speculation would be more appropriate on a thread not involving the gunning down of 3 year olds.

Micky Dolenz

Mod

Any more off topic derailment will see you thread banned.

Fair warning.

Border-Rat

Nodin wrote: »

......or perhaps it was nothing to do with it at all. Perhaps such speculation would be more appropriate on a thread not involving the gunning down of 3 year olds.

There's nothing inappropriate about my speculation.

Tzar Chasm

Arabs seem to be the 'go to guy's' nowadays if people want kneejerk suspects for terrorist atrocities

People should remember that there are lots and lots of very differently motivated groups of armed nutbags out there holding a variety of retarded prejudices against the Jews

Border-Rat

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

Any more off topic derailment will see you thread banned.

Fair warning.

Is this warning aimed at me and my speculation that this murderer is involved in a previous murder?

Manic Moran

Lee Thoughtless Neck wrote: »

I'd doubt thats the reason for the attacks in France as Hezbollah or any of the pro-Hezbollah groups in Lebanon wouldn't pause for a second thought by targeting French-Batt patrols with an IED in Lebanon.

Point, but it's not unheard of for people with relatives in Lebanon to be living in more Western countries. Eg if the French killed a lebanese person with such a relative, that Western denizen may find it easier to conduct his vengeance locally in France than flying to Lebanon to place a bomb.

RichieC wrote: »

According to a report from France’s Le Point newspaper, the country’s prosecutor believes Monday’s killer may be linked to two other incidents inside France recently, where the only leads police have trace back to former members of a French paratrooper division who were discharged for being closely linked to Neo -Nazis.

That makes a fairly reasonable possibility as well.

NTM

tfitzgerald

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its an attack by disillusioned member/s of the far-right according to French media Former Paratrooper/s, I hear. Kicked out for National Socialist beliefs. Whoever this was is a disgusting individual to attack a school with children. Insane individual.

By the way, nobody seems to want to make the obvious connection here but this is the fourth Jew gunned down in France in 6 months. The first was billionaire Claud Dray. That was a professional hit, he had state of the art security in his mansion. The assassin evaded the guards, cameras, lazer traps etc and shot him three times in the neck with a silencer. I'd say this could be the same person and/or group.

I have to say I can see nothing wrong with this post . As a matter of fact I find it very interesting

Border-Rat

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I have to say I can see nothing wrong with this post . As a matter of fact I find it very interesting

I'm not sure if we're allowed to pursue it as a discussion any further.

KeithAFC

RIP.

brimal

I don't think the murder of Claude Dray is related. That was an extremely professional hit.


These attacks are rather brazen - broad daylight, using the same weapon and scooter. This to me seems like a crazed lone gunman who has racist motives.

BBC wrote:

What the victims have in common is that they belong to, or are associated with, ethnic or religious minorities - North African, Caribbean and Jewish.

That they were singled out is suggested by reports that, in at least one attack, the killer pushed aside a bystander to get to his victims.

Border-Rat

COPS probing the fatal shootings of a teacher and three children at a Jewish school are hunting three soldiers sacked over claims they were neo-Nazis.


The men were all axed from their elite paratrooper regiment in 2008 after a photo surfaced of them giving Nazi salutes in front of a Swastika flag.
Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, 30, his two sons Aryeh, three, and Gavriel Yissacher, six, as well as eight-year-old Miriam Monsonego were shot dead by a motorbike gunman outside Ozar Hatorah college in Toulouse, France, today.
Miriam was the daughter of the school's headteacher.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4204448/Hunt-for-Nazi-soldiers-after-four-are-killed-in-France-school-shooting.html

Tzar Chasm

Border-Rat wrote: »

tfitzgerald wrote: »

I have to say I can see nothing wrong with this post . As a matter of fact I find it very interesting

I'm not sure if we're allowed to pursue it as a discussion any further.

I really can't see a link between the murders of those kids and the parztroopers with this one jewish guy a few months ago, the modus operandi is too different.

The only tenuous link so far is the guys Jewishness, by that logic we could link the break in at alan shatters house to it as well

I am curious about this other murder too now, so i'm off to do some in depth and thorough research Googling

Border-Rat

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I really can't see a link between the murders of those kids and the parztroopers with this one jewish guy a few months ago, the modus operandi is too different.

The only tenuous link so far is the guys Jewishness, by that logic we could link the break in at alan shatters house to it as well

I am curious about this other murder too now, so i'm off to do some in depth and thorough research Googling

Its no less out there than bringing the Lebanon into it, as the thread was beginning to nosedive into the usual Mooslim-hating rubbish.

Tzar Chasm

Like I said earlier some people hear the word terrorist and seem to jump to that conclusion

This same thing happened when brehivik went bats it

Is the an election in france soon?

This looks like it might be something the centrist parties will pick up on and run with to discredit the far right

Chuck Stone

Poor kids. It takes a special type of cunt to shoot at innocent little kids going to school.

I really hope that this vicious crime unites all the people of France in a shared sense of revulsion.

Eric Cartman

RIP to all those affected and hopefully their families are coping well

I think people are too quick to call in the "anti semetism" card alltogether, even the media. More information will be required before these killings can be in any way associated with anti-semetism.

Ellis Dee

brimal wrote: »

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I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts, unless they are on-topic.

I hope that's a promise.:):):) I have no interest in interacting with boorish people who resort to personal insults in lieu of reasoned arguments and lack the decency and politeness to apologise even when it is made clear to them that they have violated the forum rules. :rolleyes:

On the topic of the thread, I was out for a while and happened to bump into an acquaintance, a parliamentary official who is usually a very reliable source of information. He says the "vibe" is that there is some kind of right-wing extremist linkage in this and the fear is that it may spread beyond France if they have established networks. He also seemed quite annoyed with Sarkozy, who in his view has been pandering far too much to the French xenophobic right wing of late. All that talk about too many foreigners in France ... He believes the perpetrators are French people who belong to the majority section of the population. When I asked him why the same people seem to have attacked both North African Arabs and Jews, he pointed out that the French seem to hate Arabs and Jews with equal vehemence.

On an unrelated subject, he has also told me that our old friend Olli Rehn will soon be replaced, most likely by the present Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, which should made for some interesting times. But that will be a story for another day.:)

Freddie59

Sisko wrote: »

Probably would be if France continuously claimed to be the best country in the world. Gods country. The most morally righteous country in the world. All while invading and starting wars across the world at the same time...

People don't just randomly criticize America for the craic like...

Yes the US is always gonna be judged more harshly than other nations due to everything I mentioned at the start of my post.

Pretty messed up all right. Can't be random can it? There's talk of Muslim extremists but not too sure if this is the case yet.

Three kids dead. And you take the chance to have a self-serving rant about the USA.:rolleyes: So mature and forgiving of you. May they Rest In Peace.

Freddie59

Nodin wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17426313

According to the Guardian, a father and two his sons are amongst the victims.

This seems to be the same individual who shot 3 soldiers in two other incidents earlier.

If we could avoid sectarianism/racism etc please........

I would agree Nod. Unfortunately some can't.

Freddie59

Ellis Dee wrote: »

You are not a moderator. I'll accept their rulings, but you post your stuff and I'll decide for myself what to post. OK?




That is your interpretation, to which you are entitled. But it does not entitle you to become abusive. I assume that it is legitimate to oppose the war crimes and other crimes of Israel.



Your resorting to personal abuse instead of countering my arguments reveals a lot about you. I am always polite to other posters and I suggest you try doing the same, because now you just come across as a rather loutish bully. And, of course, it is very easy to insult people like that from behind the apron of Internet anonymity.

I am perfectly entitled to point out that many hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israelis with their total disregard for collateral damage, and I pointed out this in response to another poster's remark about nine children recently being murdered in Afghanistan by one or several Americans. I was responding to another poster's speculation that the killing of children in Afghanistan might have been the motivation for the attacks in France. The killings in Afghanistan and Palestine are every bit as reprehensible as killing a Rabbi and his kids. Unlike you, however, I am not selective, but condemn all killing of innocents.:rolleyes:

Now apologise for calling me scum if you are man enough, or else spew all the vitriol you wish, because I couldn't care less.:)

Could you not, for once put your anti-US and anti-Israel stance on hold and say a short prayer for the dead....and their grieving parents?

Micky Dolenz

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I hope that's a promise.:):):) I have no interest in interacting with boorish people who resort to personal insults in lieu of reasoned arguments and lack the decency and politeness to apologise even when it is made clear to them that they have violated the forum rules. :rolleyes:


On an unrelated subject, he has also told me that our old friend Olli Rehn will soon be replaced, most likely by the present Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb, which should made for some interesting times. But that will be a story for another day.:)

Please Don't post in this thread again.

losthorizon

I haven't a clue who carried out this attack but I suspect strongly, very strongly, that all the attacks lately are linked. I was in this region of France last year and I am going back in a few months and there were a good few army personnel out and about training. Same time same place. Very easy targets for anyone wanting to do it and school children well what can you say.

RIP to all the victims over the last few months.

Mountainsandh

They know the same person carried out the attacks : the scooter number plates were recorded on video, and matched with those of the other attacks. Same gun was also used.

Strongly suspected the killer may have been or still be a soldier, more than likely one of the disgruntled soldiers who had been sacked for displaying "neo-nazi" behaviour (posed for a photograph with Hitler salute in front of Swaztika).
http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/exclusif-le-point-une-premiere-piste-dans-l-enquete-de-toulouse-19-03-2012-1442791_23.php