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Che Guevara Statue In Galway

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    #242
    DonkyPlonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭DonkyPlonk


    if you build it they will come!


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    #243
    Eramen
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...just the tip of the quote-mine more like it. That was written circa 1952 when he was 24. 13 years later he was fighting in the Congo for their indepencence. Peoples thoughts evolve. Well....some peoples.

    ...you know that Abraham Lincoln originally supported the idea of removing all blacks from the states?

    He actually made similar remarks up to 65-66 while in Africa.

    Wear the T-shirt with pride Nodin!


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    #244
    jamezito
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭jamezito


    Eramen wrote: »
    Hitler had loads of black, Arab and Jewish friends too.

    are you really saying that che guevara was racist ?


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    #245
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Eramen wrote: »
    He actually made similar remarks up to 65-66 while in Africa.

    Wear the T-shirt with pride Nodin!

    O now I remember. You're the genius who says that anti-racism is the same as racism.


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    #246
    seachto7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

    It's a graveyard of broken dreams........


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    #247
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Not really; both saw themselves as making a better world. That doesn't make their actions any more justifiable.

    However, it's odd for the lefties to be praising a guy who was pretty much a racist and a homophobe.


    How is he a racist when he's a caucasian, from a relatively wealthy background, who fought for the rights of hispanics in cuba and black people in africa?

    Btw, I read a revolutionary life. I'd highly recommend it. He did some brutal things. Some can be justified as nessecary in fighting a war. They were no worse than the actions of any revolutionary, including our own.
    Some went too far and i really can't bring myself to justify them.

    But the ideal that he fought for was simple equality for all people. An end to poverty and an end to discrimination.
    It's very different from Stalin or Hitler.


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    #248
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    seachto7 wrote: »
    What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

    It's a graveyard of broken dreams........

    nah we are just better than rest of Ireland:cool:


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    #249
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    seachto7 wrote: »
    What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

    It's a graveyard of broken dreams........

    I'm here all my life, i've met very few people like that..


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    #250
    czx
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭czx


    old hippy wrote: »
    And the Batista regime before that was all hunky dory, I guess?

    Brilliant argument. Gloss over the present by referring to the past.


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    #251
    Rocketmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Rocketmann


    I'm not even going to counter most of this twaddle. He didn't seek world domination or anihilation of a specific people or religion. He fought against the American puppet governments and the corporations that disenfranchised the indigenous populations of Latin America, something that they are still doing. He stood by his convictions rightly or wrongly and was murdered "without a proper trial", by the Bolivians/CIA/US army rangers whilst tied to a chair. But it seems that most legitimate governments are exempt from being branded murderers if they exact the same fate on their enemies.

    It wasn't that long ago that a certain politician was lauded in Ireland, treated like one of their own, a superstar, who has countless lives and buckets of blood on his resume. Drone attacks on sovereign nations, his troops acquitted of mass killings and his corporations getting richer because of it. Che died years ago, you'd think these people would have bigger fish to fry.


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    #252
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    seachto7 wrote: »
    What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

    It's a graveyard of broken dreams........


    It's a graveyard of ambition actually
    If you're going to throw around tired cliches then at least try not to be so flaky and mix them up.
    I surprised you didn't say "Boulevard of broken dreams" Billie Joe.


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    #253
    johngalway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    old hippy wrote: »
    And the Batista regime before that was all hunky dory, I guess?

    I don't think Galway is looking to erect a Batista statue.
    jamezito wrote: »
    Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

    1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

    2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

    3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

    4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

    5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

    If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?

    Listen man, why dont you go back to watchin sky news, reading your tabloids and and get on with your ignorance believing that you know it all and you are well informed about such things.

    I genuinely feel sorry for people like yourself, it`s prob not all your fault but you really should make an effort to dig a little deeper and really get to know what really happened in history or current affairs and don`t just make stuff up that you think might have happened or repeat what you heard on the news or other media.

    My sincerest apologies, let me rephrase to more clearly make my point:

    Politically repressed **** hole.

    There, all better now.


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    #254
    rkeano5
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭rkeano5


    old hippy wrote: »
    And the Batista regime before that was all hunky dory, I guess?

    Oh yes because two wrongs definitely make a right. I forgot about that.


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    #255
    Happy Monday
    Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Happy Monday


    rkeano5 wrote: »
    Oh yes because two wrongs definitely make a right. I forgot about that.

    Would those who condemn Che Lynch also condemn Michael Collins on the basis that he supported the killing of unarmed people to achieve a nations freedom?


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    #256
    policarp
    Registered Users Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭policarp


    I'm just wondering why Latin America is mainly Spanish or Portuguese speaking and not English!


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    #257
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    wendell borton wrote: »
    I say that they should mind their own business and **** off

    Apply that logic to every boards thread started that puts Americans and the country of America down.

    I don't really care about the statue, I think it's dumb but then most of what the Irish councils and political parties do is pretty dumb.

    Also being from Galway, Billy Cameron is an ass...but then all of them in that town are.


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    #258
    troposphere
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    Congrats to the Galway Council

    Now let them really honor Che Guevara and outlaw political parties and free elections.


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    #259
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    P4DDY2K11 wrote: »
    The people of florida can suck my left ball, it doesn't affect them they should **** off and mind their own business.

    See above post. Like Cameron at least said, they are entitled to have their own opinion about it. If people take enough offense to it that they don't want to come to Ireland than so be it. If it actually has a significant impact on tourism in the west than so be it too. Guess that's Galways risk to take and they can live with the consequences.

    Frankly, I don't think Americans give a crap what Galway does for the most part so it won't impact on tourism.


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    #260
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    I just remembered. The park in Eyre Square is named after John F Kennedy and now there's going to be a statue of Che Guevara. The town is a contradiction.


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    #261
    RiseToTheTop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    I'm glad that after a couple of pages in there is a real discussion, instead of the highly ignorant first reply to the topic.

    If you don't know the man, his ideals, his history, etc, etc, please don't make a comment on his statue being placed in Galway. Sometimes I wish the 3rd/4th page of a topic would replace the 1st page of replies.


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    #262
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    policarp wrote: »
    I'm just wondering why Latin America is mainly Spanish or Portuguese speaking and not English!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_colonization_of_the_Americas


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    #263
    booboo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    Arent councils and local authorities meant to be strapped for cash (household charge) yet they have a few bob to spend on the status, which in a sense has no connection to Ireland, other than one of his relatives was from here?


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    #264
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    jamezito wrote: »
    Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

    1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

    2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

    3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

    4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

    5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

    If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?
    For the same reason many people followed DeValera, the alternative was worse?

    1. Don't believe everything you see on TV. For the many rich medical tourists it has an excellent healthcare system. For everyone else its oil lamps and cockroaches (disturbing images).

    2 & 3. Due to the US embargo medical supplies and knowledge were about all that was allowed in or out of the country, so that's what Cubans specialised in.

    4. So who elected Fidel president for life again?
    mikom wrote: »
    It's a graveyard of ambition actually
    Ain't that the pleasant truth.


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    #265
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    booboo88 wrote: »
    Arent councils and local authorities meant to be strapped for cash (household charge) yet they have a few bob to spend on the status, which in a sense has no connection to Ireland, other than one of his relatives was from here?

    The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!
    Have we all got that?
    Lets repeat it again just in case...

    The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!

    The Cuban and Argentinian embassies are funding it along with further donations from people.


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    #266
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    jamezito wrote: »
    Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

    1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

    2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

    3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

    4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

    5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

    If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?

    How many people have drowned trying to sneak into Cuba?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/national/18cubans.html?pagewanted=print


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    #267
    JohnMarston
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    Exactly what connection does Che have with Galway?


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    #268
    booboo88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭booboo88


    Biggins wrote: »
    The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!
    Have we all got that?
    Lets repeat it again just in case...

    The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!

    The Cuban and Argentinian embassies are funding it along with further donations from people.

    Is gonna erect itself is it?


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    #269
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    is it cameron behind this - he would have a long long way to go to even lick the boots of che guevara, in fact he has a long long way to go to even lick the boots of michael d higgins. I would like to see a che statue in Galway, however would like somebody who actually is not a run of the mill councillor who never puts his head above the pulpit for "the people" to erect it.


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    #270
    Immaculate Pasta
    Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    JohnMarston wrote: »
    Exactly what connection does Che have with Galway?

    Che is of Irish descent himself. His father, whose surname is Lynch, famously said "the first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels." The Lynch family were one of the 14 tribes of Galway.


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    #271
    LK_Dave
    Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭LK_Dave


    Che Guevara was a blood thirsty mass murder, a failed economic minister and a failed revolutionary. I wonder how his many victims -men women and children – would feel of this proposal .

    http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

    The above list are only the Cuban victims.


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