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Chucky the tree

spiralism wrote: »

Who were 7-9 with a far inferior quarterback to the year before? Same amount of wins as they had the past year. You really think we'll match the worst season in franchise ****ing history only two years after it, despite a massive rebuild to the point that we made a playoff run? Come off it, that's hater talk. I'd rate it quite a bit more likely that we pick up at least two more wins from last year than lose four.

A 8-8 team who made the play-offs, beat a superbowl winner and then got beaten and followed up the next year with a losing team. It's not hater talk at all, more realism. Not sure where ten wins are coming from Raidersx2, Chargersx2, Cheifsx2, Saints, Pats, Steelers, Panthers, Bucs, Browns, Texans, Falcons, Ravens and bengals. Keep believing though.

OAOB

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

I think you have to look at it from the Bears perspective - Forte is just coming off of a season ending MCL injury, a very delicate injury for a player like him. I don't think the Bears don't appreciate him - he was underpaid simply because he was on his rookie contract for a mid second round pick. For the Bears to commit to a big money, multi-year contract now would be very risky. Had he not been injured, I'm sure they would have taken care of him, but I think they're doing the right thing in tagging him and seeing how he looks this year. Forte is one of the more financially astute players in the NFL so I'm sure he understands this.

All the talk even prior to his injury was how far apart the two teams were in contract talks and the MCL injury just highlighted the importance to Forte of getting a deal in place to secure his own future. I agree that the Bears are doing whats best for the franchise but I'm only wishing the player gets the best deal for him. Forte was absolutely brilliant last year and has far outperformed his contract, if he picks up a career ending injury now he'll retire without the financial support a lot of inferior players got.
It was this arguement that lead to Vincent Jackson not signing the franchise tag for the Chargers 2years ago, he decided to protect his future earnings.
Actually is not signing the franchise tag still an option to the players or did the new CBA change that?

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

A 8-8 team who made the play-offs, beat a superbowl winner and then got beaten and followed up the next year with a losing team. It's not hater talk at all, more realism. Not sure where ten wins are coming from Raidersx2, Chargersx2, Cheifsx2, Saints, Pats, Steelers, Panthers, Bucs, Browns, Texans, Falcons, Ravens and bengals. Keep believing though.

Seattle were a seven win team when they made the playoffs. One each from the division(at least), panthers, browns, bucs, texans, steelers, falcons and bengals are all winnable. Hard to say which team will be good from one year to the next. Sure all the division has to play most of these teams anyways bar two games, we managed 8 wins on a murderous schedule in 09 with Kyle Orton and Josh McDaniels after all.

spillit67

OAOB wrote: »

All the talk even prior to his injury was how far apart the two teams were in contract talks and the MCL injury just highlighted the importance to Forte of getting a deal in place to secure his own future. I agree that the Bears are doing whats best for the franchise but I'm only wishing the player gets the best deal for him. Forte was absolutely brilliant last year and has far outperformed his contract, if he picks up a career ending injury now he'll retire without the financial support a lot of inferior players got.
It was this arguement that lead to Vincent Jackson not signing the franchise tag for the Chargers 2years ago, he decided to protect his future earnings.
Actually is not signing the franchise tag still an option to the players or did the new CBA change that?

Forte was asking for insane money.

This is a negotiation and has been ongoing for months and if it was simple then it would be done. The Bears are one of the better teams in the NFL for rewarding their players and know full well his value.

There were factors mid season though as to why they were apart;
-Forte wanting a lot of $ to reward him for his past as well as future efforts. That doesn't compute with a salary cap
-The running game as well know has shifted dramatically in recent years. Running back by committee ect is all the rage. His value isn't what it would have been 10 years ago.
-Forte has taken a lot of carries. This year was the first where he really had a reliever of quality to take pressure off him. He had the highest number of carries in the league iirc his rookie year. That is NOT a good sign for a player heading into his late 20s
-By the end of this deal Forte's performance will full off and there's not much doubt about it because of the pounding he's taken. Forte knows this, the Bears know this. Therefore both are scrambling to ensure the contract works in their favour. Forte will want a lot of $ up front.

Now there's the issue with his MCL ect.

Does he deserve to get paid a lot? Absolutely but this is a business. It's not so simple as just rewarding past performance.

matthew8

If I was Forte I would try to get the hell away from the Bears unless I got big money. He is by far their most valuable player. The Bengals, Browns and Bucs have lots of cap space and would love to have him.

spillit67

matthew8 wrote: »

If I was Forte I would try to get the hell away from the Bears unless I got big money. He is by far their most valuable player. The Bengals, Browns and Bucs have lots of cap space and would love to have him.

The Bears are better than the Bucs and Browns are imo better than the Bengals.

Jay Cutler is our most valuable player tbf.

JaMarcus Hustle

matthew8 wrote: »

If I was Forte I would try to get the hell away from the Bears unless I got big money. He is by far their most valuable player.

spillit67 wrote:

Jay Cutler is our most valuable player tbf.

spillit67

Tough call you're right. Peppers is a phenom and our D gets very mediocre without him

Cutler though is the QB and we all saw what happened without him out there last year. He's got certain talents which allow us to win despite an inept offensive line and a wide receiving corps of No 3s.

OAOB

spillit67 wrote: »

Tough call you're right. Peppers is a phenom and our D gets very mediocre without him

Cutler though is the QB and we all saw what happened without him out there last year. He's got certain talents which allow us to win despite an inept offensive line and a wide receiving corps of No 3s.

Off topic i know but just wondering do you consider Cutler an elite QB?
Personally i don't think he is, wouldn't be in my top 10 in the league but everyone looks at it differently

JaMarcus Hustle

Saints franchise tag Drew Brees

kmart6

Not surprising since they couldn't agree on anything! And the tender could have been a disaster for them!

adrian522

Will colston and nicks both hit the market then?

JaMarcus Hustle

adrian522 wrote: »

Will colston and nicks both hit the market then?

Nicks says he wants to re-sign before free agency but that they would have to make him the highest paid guard in the NFL.

kmart6

He has a case to be....

ProFootballFocus wrote:

How good is Carl Nicks? Allowed just 12 pressures all last season in 700 passing plays, is a powerful run blocker, just 26 years old.

Pudsy33

Raidersx2, Chargersx2, Cheifsx2, Saints, Pats, Steelers, Panthers, Bucs, Browns, Texans, Falcons, Ravens and bengals.

Jesus christ thats some schedule! :eek:

spillit67

OAOB wrote: »

Off topic i know but just wondering do you consider Cutler an elite QB?
Personally i don't think he is, wouldn't be in my top 10 in the league but everyone looks at it differently

Absolutely.

Do you watch the Bears much?

kmart6

spillit67 wrote: »

Absolutely.

Do you watch the Bears much?

Jay Cutler is not an Elite QB!

spillit67

kmart6 wrote: »

Jay Cutler is not an Elite QB!

Disagree. Give him a wide receiever and the stats will flow.

Your terms of reference is probably the 2010 NFC Championship game though.

spillit67

You people probably rate Matt Ryan higher. A guy who has Roddy White and a team willing to go out and splash out on Tony Gonzalez. Not to mention giving up multiple picks for Julio Jones. A team with a proper running game and O line.

Jay Cutler has a kick returner turned wide out, a couple of mid round receivers and Roy Williams! An O line and coordinator which gets him killed weekly. Yet he was getting wins last year. He was putting in elite performances every week. His MNF performance vs the Lions for example was one of the best I've seen all year. Making great throws and avoiding the rush all game.

JaMarcus Hustle

e·lite

Noun: A group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.

In this case, the "society or category" is the NFL. Do you really think Jay Cutler is considered to be the best because of his talent? I mean, in my eyes, elite refers to the best of the best - a small group of quarterbacks that have no superiors.

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli and Peyton are the elite QBs in the NFL imo. Roethlisberger and Rivers would be in the next group behind them. Jay Cutler is a long way off those Quarterbacks. He's good, but he's more at home classed alongside Tony Romo and Matt Schaub. There's not a chance Cutler can be considered elite, not yet anyway.

Stev_o

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

e·lite

Noun: A group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.

In this case, the "society or category" is the NFL. Do you really think Jay Cutler is considered to be the best because of his talent? I mean, in my eyes, elite refers to the best of the best - a small group of quarterbacks that have no superiors.

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli and Peyton are the elite QBs in the NFL imo. Roethlisberger and Rivers would be in the next group behind them. Jay Cutler is a long way off those Quarterbacks. He's good, but he's more at home classed alongside Tony Romo and Matt Schaub. There's not a chance Cutler can be considered elite, not yet anyway.

Why not? He's the only top level QB who is throwing it to no one
both at WR and TE under the single worst OL in the history of the NFL.

JaMarcus Hustle

Are you really saying Jay Cutler is an elite NFL Quarterback?

spillit67

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Are you really saying Jay Cutler is an elite NFL Quarterback?

Sorry to clarify, my mistake. I consider him top 10. Top 5 no but top 10 yeah. I understand that's not everyone's definition of elite but the framing of the q was elite and top 10 so I answered it that way.

He's potentially top 5 if he is given help. If he had the tools Ryan does then i could see very good things from him

kmart6

Stev_o wrote: »

Why not? He's the only top level QB who is throwing it to no one
both at WR and TE under the single worst OL in the history of the NFL.

So that makes him elite?!

He is nowhere near it, as Arch has said he belongs in the 3rd tier of QB's in the league!

Hell, look at Eli, 2 Superbowl rings and MVP's and people have argued he's not elite! The elite in the league are Brady,Peyton,Brees, Rodgers and after this year Eli...nobody else can really be put in that group! Big Ben and Rivers are way too inconsistent!

kmart6

spillit67 wrote: »

Sorry to clarify, my mistake. I consider him top 10. Top 5 no but top 10 yeah. I understand that's not everyone's definition of elite but the framing of the q was elite and top 10 so I answered it that way.

He's potentially top 5 if he is given help. If he had the tools Ryan does then i could see very good things from him

Well actually the only question was if he was elite or not!

He is nowhere near Top 5....which one of the Mannings,Brady,Brees and Rodgers do you think he's better than?!

JaMarcus Hustle

spillit67 wrote: »

Sorry to clarify, my mistake. I consider him top 10. Top 5 no but top 10 yeah. I understand that's not everyone's definition of elite but the framing of the q was elite and top 10 so I answered it that way.

He's potentially top 5 if he is given help. If he had the tools Ryan does then i could see very good things from him

Well then we're arguing over nothing

I'd consider Cutler top 10, probably around the 8-10 range (after Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning 1, Manning 2, Roethlisberger and Rivers). I'd have to think about how I would separate Cutler, Stafford, Schaub etc. from one another. Too busy looking at draft stuff to give it a proper think, so I'll give Cutler the edge based on the fact I actually do like the guy!

spillit67

This was the Q


Originally Posted by OAOB:
Off topic i know but just wondering do you consider Cutler an elite QB?
Personally i don't think he is, wouldn't be in my top 10 in the league but everyone looks at it differently

Top 10 and elite mentioned. That's what I was replying to and why I was framing my answers that way.

mikemac1

Not sure where he might go
FA is under two weeks away

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reiterates that "multiple" teams are interested in Moss, who is reportedly willing to ease his way back into the league by accepting a non-guaranteed contract. Possible fits include the Bears, Pats, Eagles, Ravens, and Jets. Moss is said to be on good terms with former Vikings coach Mike Tice, who is now running Chicago's offense

Citing a source close to Randy Moss, Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports that the free agent receiver is willing to accept a non-guaranteed contract.

I realy don't see the Ravens going for it, they've spent the last few years bringing in old receivers who just never work out.
Tandon Doss, a fourth round pick from last year expected to step up and have a role this season. The next Anquan Boldin we're hoping

Clinton Portis also giving interviews to ESPN and other places and doing his best to get back into the league after a year out.
Someone will bring him to training camp for a shot.
I don't know a whole lot about Portis, his best days were before I followed football. He was impressive in the interviews, that man can certainly talk

kmart6

Expected....

Adam Schefter wrote:

Seahawks RB Marshawn Lynch signed a 4 year, $31 million deal, including $18 guaranteed.

Adam Schefter wrote:

Seahawks and Marshawn Lynch's reps had these numbers agreed to for a month and it took until today for the RB to actually sign off on it.

Oh and just look how funny Adam is....

Adan Schefter wrote:

And now, Skittles for everyone.

....oh Adam!

JaMarcus Hustle

Stevie Johnson resigns with the Bills, and Arian Foster resigns with the Texans.