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Man Rape

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  • #62
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    44leto wrote: »
    How come this never happened to me, no matter how many late walks I take in a lonely street or park crying Rape rape hopilly. :(:(

    Well I for one wouldn't fornicate with anyone called 'ho pilly'. It has connotations of a drug addled hooker who I may end up contracting HIV from.


  • #63
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    28064212 wrote: »
    ^ Would you tell the hypothetical woman above that she wasn't raped?


    Did you miss the bit about where they went out for 3 years?


  • #64
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Did you miss the bit about where they went out for 3 years?
    No, in fact I quoted it and specifically changed it to "guy". Would you tell her she wasn't raped?

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  • #65
    44leto
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Did you miss the bit about where they went out for 3 years?
    An odd start to a 3 year relationship, its just not what you read in a romance novel.

    "On our first night he ravished assaulted and raped me and it was only then I fell in love with him."

    If I as a male have sex with someone I really have to be complicit otherwise it just won't happen.


  • #66
    smash
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    Why ask a question without a poll?


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  • #67
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    28064212 wrote: »
    No, in fact I quoted it and specifically changed it to "guy". Would you tell her she wasn't raped?

    There is a massive difference between being convinced to partake in unprotected sex and sexual assault.

    In fact, it does a great disservice to real victims of rape to even compare the two.


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rape is defined as sexual intercourse without their consent. That person had sex despite his refusal numerous times - thus, he was raped. Why it went on to a 3 year relationship is beyond me.


  • #69
    28064212
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    There is a massive difference between being convinced to partake in unprotected sex and sexual assault.

    In fact, it does a great disservice to real victims of rape to even compare the two.
    He did not mention anything about being convinced. He said she forced herself on him.

    Again, would you tell a woman who said the exact same thing that she wasn't raped?

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  • #70
    token101
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    smash wrote: »
    Why ask a question without a poll?

    They're too busy out stealing our natural resources like our dole and our swans.


  • #71
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    28064212 wrote: »
    He did not mention anything about being convinced. He said she forced herself on him.

    Again, would you tell a woman who said the exact same thing that she wasn't raped?

    If she said the exact same thing, that they didn't feel violated and went out the person for three years.

    Yes, I would say the same thing. Rape is a serious crime not some game.


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  • #72
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    If she said the exact same thing, that they didn't feel violated and went out the person for three years.

    Yes, I would say the same thing. Rape is a serious crime not some game.

    OK - if it didn't go on to a 3 year relationship, would you still consider it as just a game and not the rape it was?


  • #73
    amacachi
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    GrafenPills wrote: »
    Sadly, if a man went into a police station saying he got raped by a woman it will be met with a raised eyebrow. Sure proper procedure would be followed. But "Is he lying?" would be thought.

    The only reason I could see them even recording it would be in case a woman came in to report the same incident and they thought the fella was just covering his tracks. Both blackout drunk = fella's fault.


  • #74
    flanders1979
    Closed Accounts Posts: 638 ✭✭✭flanders1979


    No. I would kill them after having a bit of craic with a boltcutters.
    If it was a woman I would get her number. If the wife caught me out I could always say I was raped.


  • #75
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    OK - if it didn't go on to a 3 year relationship, would you still consider it as just a game and not the rape it was?

    I'd be more inclined to believe a serious sexual assault took place.

    I'd also question why he didn't feel violated.


  • #76
    28064212
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    If she said the exact same thing, that they didn't feel violated and went out the person for three years.
    First off I am female, I was on a date once and it went really well and we ended up going back to his house afterwards. We end up kissing on the bed but because we didn't have a condom I didn't want to have sex. I said no several times, upon when he punched me in the face several times.

    Now of course I didn't report it, I didn't feel assaulted and in the end I went out with the guy for 3 years.
    ^ Has this woman not been assaulted?

    Do you really think there are no instances where people stay with someone who has raped them?

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  • #77
    Micky Dolenz
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    28064212 wrote: »
    ^ Has this woman not been assaulted?

    Do you really think there are no instances where people stay with someone who has raped them?

    Who is this women?

    Of course people are in abusive relationships.


  • #78
    28064212
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Who is this women?
    It's a hypothetical, is that not obvious?
    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Of course people are in abusive relationships.
    Yet you think someone who doesn't feel violated can't have been raped?

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  • #79
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    kjl wrote: »
    First off I am male, I was on a date once and it went really well and we ended up going back to her house afterwards. We end up kissing on the bed but because we didn't have a condom I didn't want to have sex. I said no several times, upon when she forced herself on me.

    Now of course I didn't report it, I didn't feel violated and in the end I went out with the girl for 3 years.

    You were persuaded to have sex, she did not force you or did she? did she stop you leaving the room?
    If I did report it nobody would take me seriously, I could call the rape crisis center and nothing would be done about it.

    It would be difficult to take it seriously as you had sex with her even if you were not fully committed to the act. How did you end up going out with her for 3yrs, did you not have reservations?
    If the reverse were true and I was the girl and she was the guy, she would spend time in prison.

    I can see what you mean here, the guy would be in the wrong because she said no.
    people here saying rape is rape don't have a clue, a girl raping a girl is not the same thing as a guy raping a girl.

    I'm not sure about this, forcing someone to do something they don't want to do is wrong regardless.
    As for man on man rape, I don't even understand the logistics of that, how prey tell does the rapist get in inside the other guy, do he carry around lube? Is his dick made of metal? If I don't want something going in my ass I clench like a mofo, plus all the struggling. Are they raped at gun point? Is this really a big epidemic in Ireland? I don't think so.

    I don't think violent rapists care about their victim, they will get what they want. Is anal rape for a woman not the same thing?


  • #80
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    hondasam wrote: »
    You were persuaded to have sex, she did not force you or did she? did she stop you leaving the room?
    He used the word forced. You actually quoted it
    hondasam wrote: »
    I can see what you mean here, the guy would be in the wrong because she said no.
    Seriously? A guy who says no is just "persuaded" to have sex, but a girl who says no, the guy's a rapist?

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  • #81
    RichieC
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    Sindri wrote: »
    Jesus, :eek:, your meant to be being raped and what you come out with is:




    You don't offer people sexual gratification when you're being raped, it's sort of oxymoronical. Or is rape just your excuse?:rolleyes:

    Did you stop reading what I wrote after 7 words?


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  • #82
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    28064212 wrote: »
    He used the word forced. You actually quoted it

    I know he did which is why I asked him did she stop him leaving the room? could he have walked away if he wanted to?
    Seriously? A guy who says no is just "persuaded" to have sex, but a girl who says no, the guy's a rapist?


    This is not what I meant and I think you know that.


  • #83
    28064212
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    hondasam wrote: »
    I know he did which is why I asked him did she stop him leaving the room? could he have walked away if he wanted to?
    Then he wasn't forced, in which case his scenario is irrelevant
    hondasam wrote: »
    This is not what I meant and I think you know that.
    I have no idea what you're trying to say. On the one hand you're saying "It would be difficult to take it seriously" for a guy, on the other you're saying if it was a girl "the guy would be in the wrong because she said no"

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  • #84
    Micky Dolenz
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    28064212 wrote: »
    Then he wasn't forced, in which case his scenario is irrelevant


    I have no idea what you're trying to say. On the one hand you're saying "It would be difficult to take it seriously" for a guy, on the other you're saying if it was a girl "the guy would be in the wrong because she said no"


    Do you believe he was the victim of a serious sexual assault?


  • #85
    28064212
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Do you believe he was the victim of a serious sexual assault?
    As he described it, yes I do.

    How he feels about it afterwards doesn't change what happened, anymore than someone waking up after a night of consensual sex and then feeling violated

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  • #86
    hondasam
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    28064212 wrote: »

    I have no idea what you're trying to say. On the one hand you're saying "It would be difficult to take it seriously" for a guy, on the other you're saying if it was a girl "the guy would be in the wrong because she said no"

    If a man or woman is forced to have sex it's rape, If a man or woman say no but then decide to have sex it's not rape.
    The scenario we are talking about is the guy said no but he was persuaded to have sex which he did, this is not rape.
    The guy would only be in the wrong if she said no but he forced her ie raped her.


  • #87
    ibarelycare
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    hondasam wrote: »
    If a man or woman is forced to have sex it's rape, If a man or woman say no but then decide to have sex it's not rape.
    The scenario we are talking about is the guy said no but he was persuaded to have sex which he did, this is not rape.
    The guy would only be in the wrong if she said no but he forced her ie raped her.


    Where are you getting that he was "persuaded" to have sex?

    Read it again:
    kjl wrote: »
    First off I am male, I was on a date once and it went really well and we ended up going back to her house afterwards. We end up kissing on the bed but because we didn't have a condom I didn't want to have sex. I said no several times, upon when she forced herself on me.

    You have gone from asking the poster if he tried to leave the room to just presuming that he didn't.

    And say if he didn't try and leave the room, are you saying that because he didn't try and fight off the girl, it wasn't rape?


  • #88
    28064212
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    hondasam wrote: »
    If a man or woman is forced to have sex it's rape, If a man or woman say no but then decide to have sex it's not rape.
    The scenario we are talking about is the guy said no but he was persuaded to have sex which he did, this is not rape.
    The guy would only be in the wrong if she said no but he forced her ie raped her.
    He said "If the reverse were true", and you replied with "I can see what you mean here, the guy would be in the wrong because she said no".

    You said that in the exact same scenario but with the gender roles reversed, the guy would be in the wrong

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  • #89
    lastlaugh
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    Domo230 wrote: »
    I'd rather have someone try and murder me than rape me.

    Would you rather someone suceed in murdering or raping you though?


  • #90
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    28064212 wrote: »
    As he described it, yes I do.

    How he feels about it afterwards doesn't change what happened, anymore than someone waking up after a night of consensual sex and then feeling violated


    I wonder how his ex would feel about being described as a rapist. I find it all a bit odd. If I was raped within a few hours of meeting someone, I would not start a long relationship with them unless of course I was willing and not raped.

    There isn't a court in the land that would convict his ex of rape in the evidence supplied.


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  • #91
    amacachi
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    There isn't a court in the land that would convict his ex of rape in the evidence supplied.

    Obviously, because it was one person's word against another.
    If the roles were reversed though and both sides agreed and the "perpetrator" said "Yeah she told me to stop but I just carried on" then there'd be a good chance of a conviction.


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