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How do you intend to vote in the upcoming EU Fiscal Treaty referendum?

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    #242
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    dvpower wrote: »
    A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.

    Obviously the hundreds of thousands in arrears with their jumbo mortgages agreed with you.


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    #243
    Tayla
    Registered Users Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    richiek67 wrote: »
    Fiscal Slavery...lol, get a grip, we already have it. Voting NO will make it even worse, so that's:P what you want is it....like I said, dont cut your nose off to spite your face.

    Voting no will make it worse?:rolleyes: OK then
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »

    It seems to me however that a lot of people are voting No purely to get one up on the Government and that is simply not a good enough way to vote. If we start basing all our voting decisions on what will piss the government off the most then we stand a good chance voting against something we really ought to vote for, or voting in favour of something we should be against.
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    I didn't vote for FG because I didn't believe a word they said, I did say however when they were elected that if they did the right thing I would support them, I knew several FG supporters at the time of the last referendum who knew nothing at all about it but said they were voting yes because their party said to vote yes, those people who blindly follow their party no matter what are a lot more dangerous to the country than those who go against them as a **** you.


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    #244
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Tayla wrote: »
    I didn't vote for FG because I didn't believe a word they said

    So who DID you vote for? Who is this mysterious completely honest political party - please tell me for the next election because I haven't found them yet.


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    #245
    grundie
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭grundie


    I'll be voting no because implementing the compact will change nothing.

    The Eurozone "Stability and Growth Pact" contained rules to ensure member states had to keep their economies in good shape. Not too much borrowing, keep government spending in check - that sort of thing. It would appear all that was ignored.

    We were abiding (mostly) by the rules until we had to bail out the banks, at which point the rest of the Eurozone positively begged us to borrow heavily and break the rules because of "exceptional circumstances".

    The fiscal compact seems to be merely a restating of these rules.

    Once the next big crisis comes around and someone needs to be bailed out, do you think the EU/ECB is going to care about this agreement? No, they are going to be begging someone to borrow heaviliy and allow the rules to be broken because of "exceptional circumstances".

    Plus, even if there were no financial crisis. I think the proposed and existing Eurozone rules are just too hard to comply with - particularly for the smaller nations. If the rules were strictly enforced I could see economic development being stifled.


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    #246
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    :.........it seems more than reasonable mechanism to help stop this ****e happening again.

    Hello? Anybody home?

    How will it stop whats happened here exactly? For as long as there are corrupt politicians willing to destroy the nation for the benefit of their mates then no ''mechanism'' will stop this happening again.

    Fix the mess with Anglo. Jail those politicians, bankers and civil servants responsible then come ask me about ''mechanisms''.


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    #247
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Ive read a bit about the fiscal treaty and it seems more than reasonable mechanism to help stop this ****e happening again. If you are not going to vote on whats put before you dont deserve that right.

    It would have been very beneficial for us back in 2008 when the recession hit because the then government would have taken more of a proactive approach to the country's finances. Of course it would have meant that back in 2008 slashing spending and tax raises and minimum wage and wages all across the board reduced but we'd be in a better position today with the deficit not so large.


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    #248
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Hello? Anybody home?

    How will it stop whats happened here exactly? For as long as there are corrupt politicians willing to destroy the nation for the benefit of their mates then no ''mechanism'' will stop this happening again.

    Fix the mess with Anglo. Jail those politicians, bankers and civil servants responsible then come ask me about ''mechanisms''.

    Firstly I said help stop and secondly the treaty isnt just for Ireland.

    Can you tell me how voting no will help us then?


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    #249
    Slozer
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Slozer


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Can you tell me how voting no will help us then?

    It won't help us as a no vote will be ignored or we will be asked to vote again.


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    #250
    anneer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭anneer


    I will vote no, the first time round and the second and the third and continue to vote no until this shower of pretenders get the message.


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    #251
    Hawk Wing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Hawk Wing 2


    no


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    #252
    Nate--IRL--
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    Does the EU actually care which way Ireland votes? Can't they just ratify for the other countries without us anyway?

    Nate


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    #253
    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    anneer wrote: »
    I will vote no, the first time round and the second and the third and continue to vote no until this shower of pretenders get the message.

    I doubt there will be a second bite at this one. They only need 12 states to bring it in. Not like Lisbon or Maastricht etc

    So its going to come in. But if you vote no they can block any country in a programme to funds. So park all the other frustration. There is no choice on this one, because our vichy government agreed to haver the choice written out before we get to see the document.


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    #254
    Nate--IRL--
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    D1stant wrote: »
    I doubt there will be a second bite at this one. They only need 12 states to bring it in. Not like Lisbon or Maastricht etc

    So its going to come in. But if you vote no they can block any country in a programme to funds. So park all the other frustration. There is no choice on this one, because our vichy government agreed to haver the choice written out before we get to see the document.

    This document? http://european-council.europa.eu/media/639235/st00tscg26_en12.pdf

    Nate


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