How do you intend to vote in the upcoming EU Fiscal Treaty referendum?

SafeSurfer

How will you vote in the referendum?

Johnny Bitte

Do not know the question, can not give an answer!

WIZE

I'm going to vote no .

reason is every time we vote yes we get fcuked

we are going to default at some stage so better sooner then later as we won't receive bailout cash after 2013 when voting no

lucylu

The “fiscal compact” outlines the closer integration of the national budgets of the 17 eurozone countries.
It imposes a new legal framework and greater fiscal scrutiny to try and avoid a repetition of some of the dubious financial practices that triggered the euro crisis. The treaty also agrees to strengthen mechanisms that guarantee short-term stability to euro economies in trouble.

The treaty must be ratified by January 2013 and will take effect once it is ratified by 12 of the 17 euro zone countries.

The treaty will be signed in March 2012 and will enter into force once it has been ratified by at least 12 euro area member states. It will be legally binding as an international agreement and will be open to the EU countries which do not sign it at the outset. The aim is to incorporate it into EU law within five years of its entry into force.

The Fiscal Treaty requires EU Member states to a) keep their budget deficit below 3 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) and b) ensure their public debt does not exceed or is sufficiently declining towards 60 per cent of GDP.Furthermore, the member states will have to incorporate this “balanced budget rule” into their national legal systems, preferably at constitutional level. The deadline for doing so is one year at the latest after the entry into force of the treaty.

Automatic penalties, including fines, will kick in if signatories exceed deficit limits unless a qualified majority of eurozone states opposes such penalties. Currently, the eurozone already has a so-called excessive deficit procedure that is supposed to kick in once a country exceeds the three per cent of GDP cap on national budget deficits set out in the Maastricht criteria. But in the past, the procedure has not been enforced as rigorously as it should be since governments often allied with partner states and used their majority to reinterpret the rules and avoid fines and other sanctions.

Legal action can be taken in the European Court of Justice against governments which breach it. The court may impose a penalty “appropriate in the circumstances” and which does not exceed 0.1 per cent of the country’s GDP.

Treaty participants may temporarily deviate from their country-specific objectives “only in exceptional circumstances” and provided the deviation does not endanger medium-term fiscal sustainability

Teyla Emmagan

Seems reasonable. After 15 seconds consideration (tops), I can emphatically state that I will be voting 'Yes'.

Snakeblood

WIZE wrote: »

I'm going to vote no .

reason is every time we vote yes we get fcuked

we are going to default at some stage so better sooner then later as we won't receive bailout cash after 2013 when voting no

They'll get around this by saying 'Are you not in favour of the new fiscal treaty?'

And you'll vote no, meaning you ARE in favour.

God, they're clever.

Sonic the Large Cock

Im gonna vote with my feet

NinjaK

A big fat NO

Phill Ewinn

I'll vote no the first time, then get taken in by RTE's spin machine and change my mind for the second ballot lol.

lucylu wrote: »

Legal action can be taken in the European Court of Justice against governments which breach it.

They think our politicians and public service workers will take reponsibility for something. Oh my God! They're in for a shock...........

Max Power1

Votáil NIL

Max Power1

NinjaK wrote: »

A big fat Mary Harney NO

44leto

I would have to read more about the treaty, but if I was to go by Lucylu's post I would vote yes.

Sonic the Large Cock

heres the new campaign moto from the government for the EU Fiscal Treaty referendum...

If this treaty was a person they would vote for you.

Apparently this will appear on the posters the government is gonna produced with Enda in a 'Uncle Sam' pose

Legendary

Freddie59

NO. And primarily because we got it up the ass in previous referenda. Not this time.

the groutch

No, no, and no again (we'll probably have to say no 3 times before they get the message)

mike65

the short version

Yes - money
NO - no money

Bullseye1

If you remove the whole EU and them against us nonsense. It only makes sense that we control our public expenditure. The days of government free for all spending are over.

emo72

Write off most of that debt, which we never took on and I will consider a yes vote. I never believed we would get a referendum on this. Our German/french overlords are currently spewing their cereal up. Waaahey!

Doc Ruby

My takeaway is if we vote no, its the end of loans from Europe.

So that would be a no from me, then.

John Doe1

I will vote wearing wayfarers and levitating

vicwatson

For Mr Sarkozy my vote will be - Non

For Ms Merkel my vote will be - Nein


You thought you didn't have to ask the lowly peasants from Ireland didn't you. Well fook you and the horses you rode in on.

When this referendum doesn't pass in Ireland don't come crying to us. No more shall we bow to your demands. No more austerity. No more looking at our budgets and finances, goddamn none of your business.

patwicklow

NO means NO and wont be forced to vote again either NO!

Biggins

I don't know yet till I see the actual question.
(There should be an option for this)

amacachi

Freddie59 wrote: »

NO. And primarily because we got it up the ass in previous referenda. Not this time.

Howso? Please, I'm dying to know what you're talking about.

vicwatson wrote: »

You thought you didn't have to ask the lowly peasants from Ireland didn't you. Well fook you and the horses you rode in on.

When this referendum doesn't pass in Ireland don't come crying to us. No more shall we bow to your demands. No more austerity. No more looking at our budgets and finances, goddamn none of your business.

No more austerity? How do you figure that out exactly? Our budget would have to be balanced overnight, not over the course of a few years as is being facilitated at present.

gimmebroadband

I've ALWAYS and EVER voted NO to ALL referendums, why break with tradition!

Bababa

Is definitely worth a NO the first time. And then a NO the second time as well.
Country can take a bit of pain. We did it for years. No point prostituting our country any more.
Take the pain. Will make us stronger in the long run.

Robdude

No sense in debating the past. Let's look at where we are.

Ireland is broke....

Massive amounts of debt,
Massive amounts of spending,

Playing nice with the EU is the best thing for us, given that we've already found ourselves in this situation. Hell, maybe the Germans and French can do a better job of policing our finances than we can?

gimmebroadband

mike65 wrote: »

the short version

Yes - money
NO - no money

Last Treaty,

Yes - jobs
No - no jobs

Majority voted Yes (2nd time round) and still no jobs, and jobless is rising daily!

admiralofthefleet

no because the ordinary joe soap will be fucked sideways [again] while the banks and shady money men are protected

gimmebroadband

Robdude wrote: »

No sense in debating the past. Let's look at where we are.

Ireland is broke....

Massive amounts of debt,
Massive amounts of spending,

Playing nice with the EU is the best thing for us, given that we've already found ourselves in this situation. Hell, maybe the Germans and French can do a better job of policing our finances than we can?

A debt which we are not legally bound to pay, a debt that is not ours. Our Country would be financially better off, if we told the Gamblers to take a hike.

Leo Dowling

It's nice to say no at first just to see how much they really want it.

Like dangling spagetti over your dog.

Liamario

This will be vote in the forth coming referendum (s)

NO
NO
NO
NO
SPOILED VOTE
NO
NO
SPOILED VOTE
YES

dvpower

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Our Country would be financially better off, if we told the Gamblers to take a hike.

That would be the biggest gamble since the last one we lost with the blanket guarantee.

Stinicker

dvpower wrote: »

That would be the biggest gamble since the last one we lost with the blanket guarantee.

A man who is already penniless has nothing to lose but every thing to gain.

I'm voting No because Fianna Fail have said they favour a yes vote, you know when they are in favour of something that it can only involve corruption and is bad for the country.

dvpower

Stinicker wrote: »

A man who is already penniless has nothing to lose but every thing to gain.

A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm voting No because Fianna Fail have said they favour a yes vote, you know when they are in favour of something that it can only involve corruption and is bad for the country.

Well, at least you have a strong coherent arguement.

quietriot

I intend to vote intelligently on the matter. That is, having read the text and making a decision on how to vote based on that text and my expectation of the consequences from it.

I will not vote based on how I feel about the current government or what I think of the EU.

It's unbelievably sad that I will be a miniscule minority in doing so. This country does not deserve democracy.

squod

dvpower wrote: »

A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.

Do you realise how much money this country has spent so far? Literally like giving a heroin addict more heroin to cure him of his addiction.

We can't afford these borrowings! We can't afford them now, we couldn't afford them before now and we won't be able to afford them in the future.

quietriot wrote: »

This country does not deserve democracy.

Democracy? Seriously???????

Stinicker

dvpower wrote: »

A man who relies on borrowings has eveything to lose by refusing to sign the loan documents.

We are broke and by voting No, we will ensure that we cannot be bailed out again, this is a good thing and not a bad thing. I see Ireland and Greece and the two stroppy teenagers of Europe who keep going to their Rich Daddy in Germany for more funds to fund their extravagant lifestyle. If we Vote no we will kick ourselves out of the house and have to depend on the markets.

We must stand on our own two feet and default on the debts owed to the German and French banks. Germany and France are lending money to countries like Ireland to repay the private debt saw the previous corrupt Government guarantee the debts of the Fianna fraudsters which Irish banks borrowed from German and French banks on "the market".

Basically Ireland should stand up and saw to Merkovy, cancel the debt we have bailed out our banks but we are not bailing out yours too and let Germany and France endure the roasting of their financial house of cards collapsing also.

dvpower

squod wrote: »

Do you realise how much money this country has spent so far? Literally like giving a heroin addict more heroin to cure him of his addiction.

Yes. And I'm expecially aware of how much our deficit is.

squod wrote: »

We can't afford these borrowings! We can't afford them now, we couldn't afford them before now and we won't be able to afford them in the future.

We certainly can't afford to live without them. We may not be able to afford to repay them, but we have a reasonable chance of having them restructured, expecially the promissory notes, sometime in the future when the wider European crisis has abated.

Da Shins Kelly

I'm with the UK on this one when they say, 'F*CK OFF'.

Jenroche

It won't matter what way we vote. If we get it wrong, they'll just make us vote again until we give the answer they want. Why even bother?

dvpower

Stinicker wrote: »

Basically Ireland should stand up and saw to Merkovy, cancel the debt we have bailed out our banks but we are not bailing out yours too and let Germany and France endure the roasting of their financial house of cards collapsing also.

You mean we borrowed the money to bail out our banks?

Where To

I'm voting YES but secretly hoping that NO wins because it will prove once and for all that democracy doesn't work.

dvpower

Jenroche wrote: »

It won't matter what way we vote. If we get it wrong, they'll just make us vote again until we give the answer they want. Why even bother?

Why would they get us to vote again on this one? We don't have a veto this time - the rest can proceed without us.

hatrickpatrick

Bullseye1 wrote: »

If you remove the whole EU and them against us nonsense. It only makes sense that we control our public expenditure. The days of government free for all spending are over.

Agreed. I'd happily vote for a referendum on including such rules in Ireland's statute books.
I won't vote for anything which involves ceding any more sovereignty to the self styled king and queen of Europe. They can f*ck off.

We should actually have two referenda, one on including such budgetary rules in our constitution, as an Irish matter, and one on ratifying the international treaty. That way we could still get the common sense fiscal policy the yes side will tell us we're missing out on, while refusing to acknowledge any greater authority than the Irish people over Irish affairs.

Sounds like a good compromise to me.

Jimmy Garlic

Where To wrote: »

I'm voting YES but secretly hoping that NO wins because it will prove once and for all that democracy doesn't work.

So if you don't like the result democracy doesn't work?. You obviously don't have the the first clue about what democracy is. Democracy is respecting a vote, not disregarding it and asking again until people get the ''right answer''.
What would you like democracy to be replaced with?.

snubbleste

I'll vote No the first time and No the second time.

Dyr

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I'm with the UK on this one when they say, 'F*CK OFF'.

When the UK took a long hard look at the situation and said "good luck with that lads" the vast majority of eu countries envied them massively for having that option. The fiscal integration agenda has brought disaster down on this continent and here we are debating why we should wade further into that morass.

lividduck

Sinn Fein say they will be voting no, they issued 4,655,713 printed press releases costing an estimated €50,000 in ink alone!

K-9

Bambi wrote: »

When the UK took a long hard look at the situation and said "good luck with that lads" the vast majority of eu countries envied them massively for having that option. The fiscal integration agenda has brought disaster down on this continent and here we are debating why we should wade further into that morass.

Get some perspective. Fiscal and national independence movements really brought disaster on this continent several times, not another recession that are cyclical events anyway, or in Irelands case, pretty much since the existence of the state, barring a few golden bubbles.

Lord TSC

quietriot wrote: »

I intend to vote intelligently on the matter. That is, having read the text and making a decision on how to vote based on that text and my expectation of the consequences from it.

I will not vote based on how I feel about the current government or what I think of the EU.

It's unbelievably sad that I will be a miniscule minority in doing so. This country does not deserve democracy.

Logic? Intelligent decisions? Get off our After Hours. :P

I'm the same. I don't have political allegences one way or the other, and until I see some professionals discussing the consequences of either result, I won't make my decision. However, my result won't be based on what politicans are saying, be they one way or the other; it's going to be based on research and careful contemplation on the discussions which will ensue over the next few weeks.

Of course, I know it's going to degenerate into "Vote yes to let Germany take control" and "Vote no to start World War Three"...