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Champion Hurdle, 13-03-12

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    #32
    Colonel Sanders
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    Zarkandar
    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    UrbanSea wrote: »
    Where did you see he dropped him 3 lbs? I struggle to believe that

    I've never in my life seen a horse dropped 3lbs for winning the biggest handicap hurdle of the year on his first start for 10 months.

    So ya, that's complete nonsense

    Dropped 3lbs? What??


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    #33
    sting60
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    kiers47 wrote: »
    *Fly!!!
    Sure.What price Hurricane run at his best.


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    #34
    sting60
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    UrbanSea wrote: »
    Where did you see he dropped him 3 lbs? I struggle to believe that
    Put his name into Attheraces site.It was a very competitive handicap yesterday[all bunched together in the handicap] yet he failed to stay close up for a long way but ran on.The question is can he fail to stay close and then quicken to beat seasoned championship horses which will be going a few strides quicker than yesterday.


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    #35
    RichieLawlor
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    Zarkandar
    Colonel Sanders wrote: »
    Dropped 3lbs? What??

    Someone above claimed Zarkandar was dropped 3lbs for winning on Friday


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    #36
    Huntey
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    kiers47 wrote: »
    He has won a grade 2 or better every season since arriving at Nicholls calling him a handicapper is bollocks. Im with Richie here. He is a very good yard stick.

    It was one of the most brutal grade 2 races I have seen this season. Desert Cry and Marsh Warbler are both handicappers, it was a grade 2 in name only.

    He is a good handicapper at this stage. Beating handicappers in graded events doesn't mean he is a grade horse.

    He is a decent yardstick in the sense that if you don't beat him snugly with plenty to spare than you haven't a hope of even placing in the Champion Hurdle.


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    #37
    UrbanSea
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    Grandouet
    This is impossible. The handicap ratings were last updated on the 15th of February


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    #38
    Huntey
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    Zarkandar probably ran to 154 - 158 the other day.

    He certainly wasn't dropped 3 lbs which is just a ludicrous assumption.


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    #39
    sting60
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    UrbanSea wrote: »
    Where did you see he dropped him 3 lbs? I struggle to believe that
    To clear this up.I rang a friend and he told me that the horse was dropped from 154 to 151 for yesterdays race and was not updated but will get a hefty hike tomorrow maybe to 165/168.Sorry for any misinformation about this.


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    #40
    ste2010
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    Zarkandar
    kiers47 wrote: »
    ste2010 wrote: »
    His price of 66-1 reflects that in antepost factoring in the fact e won't e going anyway.

    So you Know for a fact he wont be going? Where do you get your info?

    I should have probably removed the word "fact" but I think most people know what I'm talking about kiers. Even if he's there, he might as well not be..there's not a hope he could contest with hurricane fly "IMO". Don't get me wrong I was prob the loyalist follower of celestial halo. Backed him in every race starting with his first in chelt until his fall in aintree hurdle 2 years ago.
    He's a thing of the past for the champ hurdle and id be prepared to offer my liver to a yemenese liver dealer if he is in the top 3 at chelt.
    My main point anyway was ladbrokes going to 9/2 is an over reaction. It would be different of he bet rock on ruby or grandouet.


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    #41
    Shane732
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    Zarkandar
    Huntey wrote: »
    Zarkandar probably ran to 154 - 158 the other day.

    He certainly wasn't dropped 3 lbs which is just a ludicrous assumption.

    Agreed I think Zarkandar was around the 154 - 158 mark.

    I think Binocular was around the same mark, maybe 160.

    Hurricane Fly is in a different class........


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    #42
    kiers47
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    Zarkandar
    Huntey wrote: »
    It was one of the most brutal grade 2 races I have seen this season. Desert Cry and Marsh Warbler are both handicappers, it was a grade 2 in name only.

    He is a good handicapper at this stage. Beating handicappers in graded events doesn't mean he is a grade horse.

    He is a decent yardstick in the sense that if you don't beat him snugly with plenty to spare than you haven't a hope of even placing in the Champion Hurdle.

    It was a bad grade 2 ill give you that but if i were the owner i would be happy to let him take his chance in the champion hurdle. He is a good yardstick in the same way that thousand stars is a good yard stick at mullins's not a grade1 horse but capable of putting in decent performances in good races when the conditions drop right, also he never stops trying. We can agree to disagree if you want but that is my opinion.


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    #43
    premierstone
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    Zarkandar
    kiers47 wrote: »
    It was a bad grade 2 ill give you that but if i were the owner i would be happy to let him take his chance in the champion hurdle. He is a good yardstick in the same way that thousand stars is a good yard stick at mullins's not a grade1 horse but capable of putting in decent performances in good races when the conditions drop right, also he never stops trying. We can agree to disagree if you want but that is my opinion.

    Celestial halo is nowhere near the class of Thousand Stars, having said that I think what was impressive about Binocular yesterday was he's jumping which looked back to its very best, but the reality is what it highlighted to me is how far ahead of the rest Hurricane Fly really is, basically he's 3 main rivals are a horse who is past hes best and two horses who are only out of juvenile company.


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    #44
    Huntey
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    sting60 wrote: »
    To clear this up.I rang a friend and he told me that the horse was dropped from 154 to 151 for yesterdays race and was not updated but will get a hefty hike tomorrow maybe to 165/168.Sorry for any misinformation about this.

    He won't be getting anywhere near a mark of 165/16 for that performance. Thankfully your friend isn't a handicapper.


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    #45
    premierstone
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    Zarkandar
    Huntey wrote: »
    He won't be getting anywhere near a mark of 165/16 for that performance. Thankfully your friend isn't a handicapper.

    About 157/158 I would have thought, definitely nowhere near mid 160's


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    #46
    sting60
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    Huntey wrote: »
    He won't be getting anywhere near a mark of 165/16 for that performance. Thankfully your friend isn't a handicapper.
    Totally agree it looks too much but he knows his stuff as he buys and sells horses.Tomorrow will tell.


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    #47
    kiers47
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    Zarkandar
    premierstone wrote: »
    Celestial halo is nowhere near the class of Thousand Stars.

    IMO they are somewhere around the same level. The ratings suggest the same.


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    #48
    ste2010
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    Zarkandar
    kiers47 wrote: »
    premierstone wrote: »
    Celestial halo is nowhere near the class of Thousand Stars.

    IMO they are somewhere around the same level. The ratings suggest the same.

    Thousand stars won the French champion hurdle last year...although its a different distance surely this ends this comparison. TS has also had te life run out of him up until his last race. He has a nice break now and I'd expect him to perform better than his last 2. My hope with him is he runs in the world hurdle, but I'd he ran in the champion I would easily consider a w/o hurricane fly bet


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    #49
    newuser89
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    Other (please specify)
    I backed binocular the other day as I don't rate celestial halo
    Didn't rate binocular until after the race it was a great performance.
    So I'm thinking now that binoculars last race is better than it visually looked
    That overturn ran to form and the other too were much better.
    Rock on ruby would be the e/w bet now I think as he should of won .
    Stiff track like Cheltenham plays to his strengths,Nichols dark horse


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    #50
    mdwexford
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    Zarkander will go up about 6lbs I would imagine.

    It was a very nice run from Binocular and if anything happens to HF before or during the Champion Hurdle he will take some stopping. Whether he can beat HF is doubtful but who knows.

    Id fancy Binocular to beat Peddlers Cross in a CH by at least the same distance HF did.


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    #51
    Johner
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    Zarkandar
    Paul Nicholls
    Zarkandar came back on Fri with a dirty nose & cough. Which probably means he should have won by further!


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    #52
    hucklebuck
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    Binocular
    You are about right Premier, even if you go back to Sailors Warn I can't see Zarkandar being over 156/7.


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    #53
    hucklebuck
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    Binocular
    Johner wrote: »
    Paul Nicholls
    Zarkandar came back on Fri with a dirty nose & cough. Which probably means he should have won by further!

    Where did you hear that Johner?


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    #54
    Rastapitts
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    Overturn to run them into the ground


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    #55
    ft9
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    Zarkandar
    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Where did you hear that Johner?

    Would you like to phone a friend?

    http://www.sportpost.com/horse-racing?after_post=40819


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    #56
    ft9
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    Zarkandar
    Rastapitts wrote: »
    Overturn to run them into the ground

    I don't think Overturn will be in front 3


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    #57
    ste2010
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    Zarkandar
    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Johner wrote: »
    Paul Nicholls
    Zarkandar came back on Fri with a dirty nose & cough. Which probably means he should have won by further!

    Where did you hear that Johner?

    RAcing post HB


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    #58
    Johner
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    Zarkandar
    hucklebuck wrote: »
    Where did you hear that Johner?

    It was on the Paul Nicholls twitter account and his facebook.


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    #59
    ste2010
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    Zarkandar
    ft9 wrote: »
    Rastapitts wrote: »
    Overturn to run them into the ground

    I don't think Overturn will be in front 3

    I was looking at this a moment ago I think thousand stars is a good value bet to place.
    Also with regards to zarkandar coughing situation anyone think this puts him better for his perf last friday or worse for his illness before the festival?


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    #60
    ft9
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    Zarkandar
    ste2010 wrote: »
    I was looking at this a moment ago I think thousand stars is a good value bet to place.
    Also with regards to zarkandar coughing situation anyone think this puts him better for his perf last friday or worse for his illness before the festival?

    That's a good question. If a horse is sick and can go win a race you wonder what he's capable of. I doubt he was sick going into it the more I think about it.


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    #61
    hucklebuck
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    Binocular
    ft9 wrote: »
    Would you like to phone a friend?

    http://www.sportpost.com/horse-racing?after_post=40819

    Thanks.

    It's not the same as simple division though. I read on ATR and RTE earlier that he had some horses coughing but did not name any.


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