Shocking Koran Quotes

Worztron

It is not fair merely to mention the Shocking Bible Quotes http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056514115.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

Feel free to add more.

Dades

Uh oh.

oh that's just quote mining, it would all still be perfectly peaceful if women would just dress modestly and get beaten by their men

dead one

The atheist are still cheating. Shocking,

Verses of violence are taken out of context.... Very shocking indeed.
It's symptoms of intellectual decay. Let us say we are hollow men

"We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

sephir0th

Worztron wrote: »

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

Ok Dead One, what is the correct context for these for example?

Sonics2k

dead one wrote: »

The atheist are still cheating. Shocking,

Verses of violence are taken out of context.... Very shocking indeed.
It's symptoms of intellectual decay. Let us say we are hollow men

It's hardly uncommon though is it, on both sides of any religion.

Picking and choosing parts is one of the main aspects of any belief system.

Galvasean

Why do they always moan about quotes being out of context but then not bother to actually give the actual context? One would imagine that would be more helpful.

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

Why do they always moan about quotes being out of context but then not bother to actually give the actual context? One would imagine that would be more helpful.

yeah. i mean it's quite obvious that while "Blessed is the one who smashes babies against rocks" is awful outside context, it actually means "give lots of hugs and cuddles to all children everywhere" when you read it properly.

Sonics2k

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah. i mean it's quite obvious that while "Blessed is the one who smashes babies against rocks" is awful outside context, it actually means "give lots of hugs and cuddles to all children everywhere" when you read it properly.

Don't forget it's from Psalms, so it's a song.

And we all know religious folk have never gotten in an uproar about song lyrics before!

Sarky

I never did get round to looking up the context of that woman from Ezekiel who craved donkey cock. Is it about honouring your father and mother when you read with your heart?

Worztron

dead one wrote: »

The atheist are still cheating. Shocking,

Verses of violence are taken out of context.... Very shocking indeed.
It's symptoms of intellectual decay. Let us say we are hollow men

How ironic of you to accuse others of 'intellectual decay'. Here we go again with the 'taken out of context' tripe excuses.

gawker

sephir0th wrote: »

Ok Dead One, what is the correct context for these for example?

I'd love to hear about the context of those quotes too.

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Sarky wrote: »

I never did get round to looking up the context of that woman from Ezekiel who craved donkey cock. Is it about honouring your father and mother when you read with your heart?

Hahahaha.

Standman

gawker wrote: »

I'd love to hear about the context of those quotes too.

I'm no expert on the matter but I think the context is something to do with the Muslims being backstabbed by the Jews before some kind of battle with the idolators of Mecca. The second quote is about slaying of the idolaters in Mecca after they refused to accept Islam. I'm sure I've horribly mixed up a lot of details there but that's the gist of it I think, I'm sure deadone will correct me.

Anyway, using this "context" argument to discount disgusting things in the Quran or any holy book has never really made sense to me. Isn't it completely ridiculous that the central text of one of the biggest religions of the world contains so much supposedly irrelevant content that is of no use whatsoever in a modern context other than to confuse and be used as ammunition for extremists? Why put it in there if it's only relevant to a couple of decades or so in the middle of 7th century Arabia?

Newaglish

Standman wrote: »

Why put it in there if it's only relevant to a couple of decades or so in the middle of 7th century Arabia?

it's all crazy nonsense

Standman

Newaglish wrote: »

it's all crazy nonsense

I know my question is kind of pointless to ask to other atheists but I'd be interested to hear how religious people rationalise it.

bnt

Hey, it's OK: Islam is the religion of peace, remember? When all other religions have been forcibly crushed, and there is one global ummah, then there will be peace. I mean, seriously; people who don't get that deserve to die horribly for their ignorance ...

:rolleyes:

krudler

dead one wrote: »

The atheist are still cheating. Shocking,

Verses of violence are taken out of context.... Very shocking indeed.
It's symptoms of intellectual decay. Let us say we are hollow men

what is the context then?

old_aussie

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".

A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....

Sonics2k

And here we go.

dlofnep

old_aussie wrote: »

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".

A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....

Nah, they are all equally stupid.

Stereomaniac

Wow guys. There is so much energy spent on this board worrying about other peoples' beliefs.

dlofnep

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Wow guys. There is so much energy spent on this board worrying about other peoples' beliefs.

If those beliefs didn't interfere in the lives of others, nobody would care.

dead one

sephir0th wrote: »

Ok Dead One, what is the correct context for these for example?

Fair enough, honesty belongs to honest minds, Cheating belongs to those who believe in cheating, you're interested in context

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

The above verse came down during the war of Ohud when Muslims were fearful that they were going to lose the war and wished to friend themselves with the Jews and Christians.
Now see, honesty on part of Mr.Worztron . He didn't pick the whole verse, He just copied a sentence from verse, which makes him follower of dishonesty. It is pure cheating/dishonesty on part of Mr.Worztron
The above verse could also be referring to the sincere believers not supposing to friend themselves with the enemy against the believers. The above verse give message to the sincere believers that don't be on side of the enemy against the believers.
Reading the passage in context clearly tells that the verse was revealed in special context and i don't know why the genius/intellectual giant hide it from common men. Whether he is ignorant about it or he doesn't know, his practices are revealing his ignorance. He has done a great job, i am happy

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

If you read all verses before and after this verse you will find Poor Worztron quoted this verse to brainwash common man that the verse teaches terrorism, and that the verse tells believers to slay the non - believers wherever find you them. However so does the passage actually preach terrorism? Or is that Worztron is preaching cheating in the name of his faith ? Great, the answer is that the verse is being quoted out of context, which is very sad for a genius like Worztron :eek: because it is blatant
mis-interpretation and brazen lying because it is not hard to quote this text in context, here is the context of this text:

http://quran.com/2/187-193

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

oh that's just quote mining, it would all still be perfectly peaceful if women would just dress modestly and get beaten by their men

do you think, it would all still be perfectly peaceful if women would just dress immodestly and get cheated by their men. Do you like cheating
Now, honestly this part of your quote reveals your ignorance

bluewolf wrote: »

get beaten by their men

and remember ignorance is bliss. keep ignorance with yourself to make you believe what you prefer to believe.

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's hardly uncommon though is it, on both sides of any religion.
Picking and choosing parts is one of the main aspects of any belief system.

at least, i am not dishonest and cheater, i will always be on the side of christianity/judasim/islam etc when it comes to cheating/dishonesty.
Honesty is my religion.

krudler wrote: »

what is the context then?

Context reveals cheating and ignorance, in order to propagate your religion of atheism what makes to take help of cheating, Cheating against Bible and Quran. I smell weaknesses.

dead one

Worztron wrote: »

How ironic of you to accuse others of 'intellectual decay'. Here we go again with the 'taken out of context' tripe excuses.

Worztron, you've done a great job to expose yourself. this is how your cheating is going to end

"This is the end
Beautiful Worztron friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane

biko

Not very shocking but one of the best know fallacies in the Qur'an

18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHDgKnE9r0

dead one

biko wrote: »

Not very shocking but one of the best know fallacies in the Qur'an
18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Ah ha, i like it, again, out of context, again. oh lord i am very scared, how am i going to answer it, oh lord help me, please please,
hiya biko, youtube is full with such types of propaganda videos, when you use propaganda to torch your reason, It will make your own reason fake. Hope one day you would find.
as far as this verse is concerned, i can give explanation of it. Hope it would clear your prejudice.

18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness

This text tells that zul Qurnain came the place where the sun set. It DOES NOT say that he saw the sun set. In other words, the word "place" indicates a geographical location. The Quran doesn't tell the he saw it set in a muddy spring, it says that he "found" it setting in a muddy spring. The term "found" (wagada), and its variants, are found 107 times in the Qur'an and this term never refers to the act of "seeing". To "see" the sun set, or rise, requires that we use the word "ra'a". For example, Sura 6:78 tells us :
"When he [Abraham] saw (ra'a) the sun rising, he said, "This is my Lord". But when it set he said, ..."
See, when we use sun rises in east, actually sun doesn't rise in east, it's we who find sun rising in east. If you go to science, science won't agree the sun ever rises or sets. Well, technically, the sun doesn't rise at all, it just sit's there, for further detail, see below image

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/images/earthtilt.gif

MagicMarker

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Wow guys. There is so much energy spent on this board worrying about other peoples' beliefs.

I don't worry about other people's beliefs.

dead one

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't worry about other people's beliefs.

contradiction

"Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --"

Originally Posted by MagicMarker
OP, it sounds like you've discovered a new flavour of ice cream or something.

Why is it that Jesus being the son of god sounds 'wrong', but the Angel Gabriel bringing divine revelation to Muhammed sounds right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobbes
How about you start a new thread if that is a genuine question and lets get it back on topic.
Done.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74419308&postcount=1

Worztron

dead one, you have not explained how all the quotes are supposedly taken out of context. It seems you will defend religious dribble to the end no matter what. You will not be able to explain every quote with the hackneyed 'taken out of context' excuse.

krudler

Worztron wrote: »

dead one, you have not explained how all the quotes are supposedly taken out of context. It seems you will defend religious dribble to the end no matter what. You will not be able to explain every quote with the hackneyed 'taken out of context' excuse.

I stopped reading after ramblings of cheating and reworded Doors lyrics.

dead one

Worztron wrote: »

dead one, you have not explained how all the quotes are supposedly taken out of context. It seems you will defend religious dribble to the end no matter what. You will not be able to explain every quote with the hackneyed 'taken out of context' excuse.

you're in denial, i could only help, see

Worztron wrote: »

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

The above text isn't complete verse, it's just a sentence from complete verse. If you read full verse, you will find how you are cheating other people .
same is case of other verse

Worztron wrote: »

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

Do you have problem in understanding simple things... If you don't understand please go to doctor and ask him to check your brain.

dead one

krudler wrote: »

I stopped reading after ramblings of cheating and reworded Doors lyrics.

would you stop cheating too?

Dades

dead one - Worztron is correct - you haven't explained any of this context you refer to. Instead you've posted links to translations.

Please do so, or stay off the thread.

Also the next time you call someone a cheater or post some random lyrics you will be infracted.

dead one

Dades wrote: »

dead one - Worztron is correct - you haven't explained any of this context you refer to. Instead you've posted links to translations.

Please do so, or stay off the thread.

Also the next time you call someone a cheater or post some random lyrics you will be infracted.

Here comes the guardian angel, I know it's natural for a man to defend his religion, to stand by his class, In order to defend his business he may support cheating. I ain't astonished.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76733593&postcount=25

I have given the context where it is asked about context. I dont have time give you context of all verses .... Search it for yourself, Worztron can search for cheating, he could also search for context what is problem in that. My purpose is to give signals not waste time with arrogant.
BTW: Guardian angel, Do you think, Mr Worztron has done right thing when he quoted verses out of context. What your charter say about this.

Sarky

That post either explains nothing or is completely lost in translation from whatever your first language is. As it is, you haven't given any reason as to why those lines don't actually mean what it looks like they mean. Could you clarify? Preferably without a song and dance?

krudler

dead one wrote: »

would you stop cheating too?

cheating what now? your dribbling posts are nonsensical for the most part, hilarious in others.

Dades

dead one wrote: »

I have given the context where it is asked about context.

There's no context in that excusing any such command to not befriend or to in fact slay anyone.

Modern thinking requires a little more of an excuse for xenophobia and murder.

sensibleken

dead one wrote: »

"We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
;

you are the cheeky boys
you are the cheeky boys

...goddamn it. thats going to be stuck in my head not just all day but everytimg i see people being led in muslim prayer

Sarky

FFS now it's in my head too. Goddamn it sensibleken.

dead one

Dades wrote: »

There's no context in that excusing any such command to not befriend or to in fact slay anyone.

Modern thinking requires a little more of an excuse for xenophobia and murder.

Ah i see Modern thinking with modern arrogance...
Religious Books/verses were revealed in special context. There is context behind every verse. why is it revealed and where is it revealed. You can't apply that verse without context.
You didn't answer my question. Do you think Mr. Worzten is doing an honest work according to charter of this foram. As he has quoted verses of Bible and Quran out context. Do you think, it is honesty. as you are protector and guardian of this club.

sensibleken wrote: »

you are the cheeky boys
you are the cheeky boys
...goddamn it. thats going to be stuck in my head not just all day but everytimg i see people being led in muslim prayer

You're a cute baby living on bed of roses. The world is so harsh. You understand that life is bed of roses. I feel pity on your understanding.

Sarky

One is a flaccid eel. You make an understand of my cheat. Longcat is long.

sensibleken

dead one wrote: »

You're a cute baby living on bed of roses. The world is so harsh. You understand that life is bed of roses. I feel pity on your understanding.

aw thanks. your a special wittle guy too *ruffles hair*

Sarky

Seriously though dead one you still haven't supplied any context. Could you do that?

kylith

sensibleken wrote: »

you are the cheeky boys
you are the cheeky boys

...goddamn it. thats going to be stuck in my head not just all day but everytimg i see people being led in muslim prayer

May Zeus blast you, Ken; it's in my head now too. You will pay for this.

dead one wrote: »

Ah i see Modern thinking with modern arrogance...

I think we generally find it preferable to bronze age thinking, with bronze age ignorance.

dead one wrote: »

You're a cute baby living on bed of roses. The world is so harsh. You understand that life is bed of roses. I feel pity on your understanding.

Is that Bon Jovi?

dead one

Sarky wrote: »

Seriously though dead one you still haven't supplied any context. Could you do that?

Seriously, will you believe in the context given by me, or will make your own context.
If you will believe the context provided by me then i will provide it, but not today because i am busy now.

kylith wrote: »

May Zeus blast you, Ken; it's in my head now too. You will pay for this.

Is zeus guardian angel.

Delirium

dead one wrote: »

Seriously, will you believe in the context given by me, or will make your own context.
If you will believe the context provided by me then i will provide it, but not today because i am busy now.

"only if you like the context I provide" is your answer? how will anyone know that if you don't provide it?

Sarky

You're not going to convert anyone in this forum, dead one, if that's what you're asking. I'm just interested in seeing how you reconcile quotes like the above with "religion of peace", really.

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dead one wrote: »

Worztron, you've done a great job to expose yourself. this is how your cheating is going to end

"This is the end
Beautiful Worztron friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again
Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land
Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane

Oh lord, grant me the power to deal with this infidel.

dead one you are speaking out of context and trying to cheat everyone. It's typical of a believer. You can find the true context here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76714331&postcount=1

DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE? :pac:

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dead one wrote: »

Fair enough, honesty belongs to honest minds, Cheating belongs to those who believe in cheating, you're interested in context

The above verse came down during the war of Ohud when Muslims were fearful that they were going to lose the war and wished to friend themselves with the Jews and Christians.
Now see, honesty on part of Mr.Worztron . He didn't pick the whole verse, He just copied a sentence from verse, which makes him follower of dishonesty. It is pure cheating/dishonesty on part of Mr.Worztron
The above verse could also be referring to the sincere believers not supposing to friend themselves with the enemy against the believers. The above verse give message to the sincere believers that don't be on side of the enemy against the believers.
Reading the passage in context clearly tells that the verse was revealed in special context and i don't know why the genius/intellectual giant hide it from common men. Whether he is ignorant about it or he doesn't know, his practices are revealing his ignorance. He has done a great job, i am happy


If you read all verses before and after this verse you will find Poor Worztron quoted this verse to brainwash common man that the verse teaches terrorism, and that the verse tells believers to slay the non - believers wherever find you them. However so does the passage actually preach terrorism? Or is that Worztron is preaching cheating in the name of his faith ? Great, the answer is that the verse is being quoted out of context, which is very sad for a genius like Worztron :eek: because it is blatant
mis-interpretation and brazen lying because it is not hard to quote this text in context, here is the context of this text:

http://quran.com/2/187-193