beef price tracker

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

*walks in door

I haven’t been here in a while what have I missed?......

*leaves

The Irish Factories Association rep has admitted in a moment of madness that the beef price paid to Irish farmers has nothing to do with supply and demand but is set by a price fixing cartel of beef barons.

wrangler

tanko wrote: »

The Irish Factories Association rep has admitted in a moment of madness that the beef price paid to Irish farmers has nothing to do with supply and demand but is set by a price fixing cartel of beef barons.

And alas stupid farmers still persist in producing beef cattle for those same beef barons so those same farmers can whinge and whinge an......
It's a joke really, it's when you write it down you see how really sad it is

richie123

wrangler wrote: »

And alas stupid farmers still persist in producing beef cattle for those same beef barons so those same farmers can whinge and whinge an......
It's a joke really, it's when you write it down you see how really sad it is

Why do we keep doing it ?tis very frustrating...lads talking bout 3.70 thinking it's good ****ing waste of time

wrangler

richie123 wrote: »

Why do we keep doing it ?tis very frustrating...lads talking bout 3.70 thinking it's good ****ing waste of time

A lot of land now changing to dairying now and to serving dairy farmers, good to see farmers now copping on,even if it took so long

Hard Knocks

wrangler wrote: »

A lot of land now changing to dairying now and to serving dairy farmers, good to see farmers now copping on,even if it took so long

Would that not be more calves for Larry & co?

amacca

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Would that not be more calves for Larry & co?

more calves .....with less meat on them.

wrangler

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Would that not be more calves for Larry & co?

Why would any one feed calves if they're claiming they're losing money on them, That's just being stupid

Water John

A female goat only needs to kid every three years. We'd better start cross breeding.

jd06

jd06 wrote: »

Was quoted 3.65 for bullocks
3.70 heifers

Anymore quotes for the following week

richie123

wrangler wrote: »

Why would any one feed calves if they're claiming they're losing money on them, That's just being stupid

Sure it is pure and simple !

wrangler

richie123 wrote: »

Sure it is pure and simple !

Yea, simple, like thinking you can tell independent processors how to run their business........ not gonna happen.
Influence the problem where you can, don't buy the calves if you're losing money on them, simple as that.
Gross margin here on sheep was €800 - €1000/ha, it makes a huge difference when the enterprise is making money and you can pocket the BPS

richie123

wrangler wrote: »

Yea, simple, like thinking you can tell independent processors how to run their business........ not gonna happen.
Influence the problem where you can, don't buy the calves if you're losing money on them, simple as that.
Gross margin here on sheep was €800 - €1000/ha, it makes a huge difference when the enterprise is making money and you can pocket the BPS

The way the tax system is set up and Brussels acting the ****e with regards to future payments potentially tied to numbers a farmer would have is distorting the market.
If these two issues were cleared up
A lot of lads myself included would exit beef in the morning.
I think that answers your question regarding mad calf prices.theyre still the cheapest way to get into stock.

wrangler

richie123 wrote: »

The way the tax system is set up and Brussels acting the ****e with regards to future payments potentially tied to numbers a farmer would have is distorting the market.
If these two issues were cleared up
A lot of lads myself included would exit beef in the morning.
I think that answers your question regarding mad calf prices.theyre still the cheapest way to get into stock.

You should check the tax implications with your accountant, I've destocked twice with no implications.
EU extending the 2013 CAP reform by three years leaves planning very difficult, it'll put fifty grand in my pocket over those three extra years so can't complain.

kk.man

Got a text from the mart looking for beef cattle. Never got a text like it before. The northern buyers must be buying big time.

Say my name

kk.man wrote: »

Got a text from the mart looking for beef cattle. Never got a text like it before. The northern buyers must be buying big time.

The father was passing through enniscorthy this morning and he was commenting on the amount of trailers going to the Mart.
Normally it's a dead place.

It seems the online sales have kickstarted a new era for marts.

KAMG

The marts are the way to go at the moment alright. The factories are some shower really. Sent a few cattle to factory last week and got another screwing. Any of ye ever hear of a LM cross bullock grading O-?

Duke92

KAMG wrote: »

The marts are the way to go at the moment alright. The factories are some shower really. Sent a few cattle to factory last week and got another screwing. Any of ye ever hear of a LM cross bullock grading O-?

Yes lots from the dairy herd do

Anto_Meath

@ KAMG yes I have had them, out of dairy herds and would have reared them.
But some factories have gone very tight on the grading lately, friend had HE heifers grade P's lately they are out of his dairy cows and the same HE bull he as had for 7 years. This is the first years he has gotten P's and the quality of his heifers hasn't changed.
Beef cattle in the marts are a flying trade at the minute, €2 / Kg for Fr's, up to €2:50 /Kg for good continentals, not a hope getting that type of money in the factory.
Seen a few 4 year old bullocks in Carnaross yesterday around 1,000 kgs making €2,100, if an ordinary farmer had them no factory would take them and they would be cut for been over age and over weight. Yet yesterday the factory agents were mad for them.

KAMG

Thanks for the replies lads. That's fair enough. I still think I was screwed though. I buy yearling bullocks from the same man every year and finish them to same factory approx 15 months later. Mostly HEX but some LMX. They all done really well this year. Most of them getting into 3+ to 4+ on fat. And O+/R- on conformation. I sent the last few last week and they were similar but definitely not as good as the rest sent. However, when the results came in, they were all far less than I had expected. I think they have access in some way to your herd profile and they knew they were the last ones to be killed this year so they could get away with going to town on them!

Anto_Meath

KAMG wrote: »

Thanks for the replies lads. That's fair enough. I still think I was screwed though. I buy yearling bullocks from the same man every year and finish them to same factory approx 15 months later. Mostly HEX but some LMX. They all done really well this year. Most of them getting into 3+ to 4+ on fat. And O+/R- on conformation. I sent the last few last week and they were similar but definitely not as good as the rest sent. However, when the results came in, they were all far less than I had expected. I think they have access in some way to your herd profile and they knew they were the last ones to be killed this year so they could get away with going to town on them!

I would agree with you that the factories can do what they like when they have your cattle on the line, my thinking would be that as the price has risen they have turned back the grading machine a shade. Like at the end of the day when you are buying meat in the supermarket you done know is it a U grade animal or a P grade animal it came from.

Duke92

KAMG wrote: »

Thanks for the replies lads. That's fair enough. I still think I was screwed though. I buy yearling bullocks from the same man every year and finish them to same factory approx 15 months later. Mostly HEX but some LMX. They all done really well this year. Most of them getting into 3+ to 4+ on fat. And O+/R- on conformation. I sent the last few last week and they were similar but definitely not as good as the rest sent. However, when the results came in, they were all far less than I had expected. I think they have access in some way to your herd profile and they knew they were the last ones to be killed this year so they could get away with going to town on them!

Agree with you on the fat had a 5 this year for the first time ever and a few 4+s
I usually find the grading better as I go and the last ones usually the best because they’ve been on meal the longest
Been a great year to kill cattle of grass dying nearly 2 percent better than last year

morphy87

Duke92 wrote: »

Agree with you on the fat had a 5 this year for the first time ever and a few 4+s
I usually find the grading better as I go and the last ones usually the best because they’ve been on meal the longest
Been a great year to kill cattle of grass dying nearly 2 percent better than last year

A good year for thrive, how much heavier are your cattle this year compared to last year,dead weight? I was hoping to get mine 10 kg s heavier

Good loser

Is the €3.70 settled for the bullocks this week, in the Goodman plants?

Water John

A man I know sent a load of cattle to a different factory than the local one he used always supply. He was told it in the pub in the town the following night and the info came from the local factory.

High bike

Anto_Meath wrote: »

@ KAMG yes I have had them, out of dairy herds and would have reared them.
But some factories have gone very tight on the grading lately, friend had HE heifers grade P's lately they are out of his dairy cows and the same HE bull he as had for 7 years. This is the first years he has gotten P's and the quality of his heifers hasn't changed.
Beef cattle in the marts are a flying trade at the minute, €2 / Kg for Fr's, up to €2:50 /Kg for good continentals, not a hope getting that type of money in the factory.
Seen a few 4 year old bullocks in Carnaross yesterday around 1,000 kgs making €2,100, if an ordinary farmer had them no factory would take them and they would be cut for been over age and over weight. Yet yesterday the factory agents were mad for them.

if ever there was proof needed that the 30 month rule is just bs and a way to screw the farmer there u have it.Agents can buy any cattle any age and weight in a mart and rock up to the factory that evening and not get cut.Long may the on line bidding continue and make these fcukers pay for cattle

Anto_Meath

High bike wrote: »

if ever there was proof needed that the 30 month rule is just bs and a way to screw the farmer there u have it.Agents can buy any cattle any age and weight in a mart and rock up to the factory that evening and not get cut.Long may the on line bidding continue and make these fcukers pay for cattle

True but farmers will need to support the on line bidding to keep it in place.. maybe we should be using it when buying cattle even if we are at the Mart..

Grueller

Anto_Meath wrote: »

True but farmers will need to support the on line bidding to keep it in place.. maybe we should be using it when buying cattle even if we are at the Mart..

That's a good idea. I heard it once or twice before though.

bogman_bass

High bike wrote: »

if ever there was proof needed that the 30 month rule is just bs and a way to screw the farmer there u have it.Agents can buy any cattle any age and weight in a mart and rock up to the factory that evening and not get cut.Long may the on line bidding continue and make these fcukers pay for cattle

If every proof was needed that the 30 month rule is needed to protect farmers from themselves there you have it. The final tally might look great but the margin on that animal isn’t great.

Water John

Good grief, you'd nearly make it illegal to own a three year old bullock. Farmers have enough grief from rules esp ones that have no basis in fact. The fact at issue here being the 'requirement' of the consumer.

amacca

bogman_bass wrote: »

If every proof was needed that the 30 month rule is needed to protect farmers from themselves there you have it. The final tally might look great but the margin on that animal isn’t great.

I dont see it like that I have to say........of course I could be wrong.

30 months is just an arbitrary age as far as I'm concerned and it promotes intensive beef production with lower returns to the primary producer (its probably good for grain merchants, processors et al and dare I say it intensive dairy farmers with lots of male calves to sell that know a culling policy wouldn't be great image wise for their industry)

Its probably a simplification and I could be wrong but wouldn't lower beef numbers in the country from raising that 30 month limit maybe result in a better price for the animal, it would certainly result in less intensive beef farming from current levels imo which would be good for the green image (more co2 sequestration etc) ...... not to mention less heads for the beef farmer to look after, less vet bills, less fertiliser and inputs + other associated costs? ..... or will processors just continue to undercut by importing tonnes of cheap intensively farmed meat from elsewhere in a scenario like that?

I personally believe that 30 month rule is good for everyone except the beef farmer...at least everyone the beef farmer has to buy a product or service off and supply his product to but prove me wrong I suppose.