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Donor cards should have check box for "public patients only"

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    #62
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Worztron wrote: »
    Do you think it is right for an OAP that has worked all their life to lay on a hospital trolley for many hours waiting for a bed while politicians with get express service in the private hospitals?


    No - but that has absolutely nothing to do with private patients getting preferential treatment for organ donations.

    Either way, it's still possible to have a two tier system and have a top class public health system.

    But that idea seems to have surpassed you & you seem happy enough instead to make absurd claims about organ donations going to rich people.


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    #63
    Andy-Pandy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    Worztron wrote: »
    Don't take it personally. .

    But you said
    Worztron wrote: »
    I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family.

    My Mum definetly aint rich, she's just afraid of dying. Private health insurance eases that fear for a woman who has had multiple serious health scares over the years.


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    #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,427 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Astoudning combination of strongly held opinions and complete lack of any knowledge whatsover on which to base those opinions displayed by some in this thread.

    If the "hurrr duurrrr rich people gettin all o ma organs" brigade would like to educate themselves a little, have a read of this. It is an analysis of factors affecting waiting times for renal transplants. Notice the only factors that make a difference are biological ones such as being blood group O and having a high peak panel reactive antibodies level.

    I recently met a patient who had recieved 2 new lungs, a new heart and a new kidney and was doing very well. He was a public patient.


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    #65
    starbelgrade
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I recently met a patient who had recieved 2 new lungs, a new heart and a new kidney and was doing very well. He was a public patient.

    See? Medical card holders get everything. :D


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    #66
    stinkle
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭stinkle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Astoudning combination of strongly held opinions and complete lack of any knowledge whatsover on which to base those opinions displayed by some in this thread.

    If the "hurrr duurrrr rich people gettin all o ma organs" brigade would like to educate themselves a little, have a read of this. It is an analysis of factors affecting waiting times for renal transplants. Notice the only factors that make a difference are biological ones such as being blood group O and having a high peak panel reactive antibodies level.

    I recently met a patient who had recieved 2 new lungs, a new heart and a new kidney and was doing very well. He was a public patient.
    + a million. Doesn't matter how rich you are. If a suitable donor can't be found then you're screwed. Transplants are tricky to get right, money isn't a factor in life or death


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    #67
    gsxr1
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    I have to go to hospital to get a procedure done after the doctor sent me. Waiting one month. I dont have a medical card.. Do I have to pay?


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    #68
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Refer back to my first post. I said "checkbox". You make your own choice to mark it or not. It could be amended to say "Give to a non millionaire/billionaire first if both people equally need the organ".

    People are very naive to think that elites have never been given preferential treatment re organ transplants.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #69
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Worztron wrote: »
    The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

    Eh? Do you know how much organ transplantation costs? It's not cheap.


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    #70
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Worztron wrote: »
    Refer back to my first post. I said "checkbox". You make your own choice to mark it or not. It could be amended to say "Give to a non millionaire/billionaire first if both people equally need the organ".

    People are very naive to think that elites have never been given preferential treatment re organ transplants.

    It's a bit ****ty to discriminate against someone just because they have money.


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    #71
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's a bit ****ty to discriminate against someone just because they have money.

    Well the whole damn health service actively discriminates against the less well off. Do you recall poor Susie Long?

    The big problem is that it is supposed to be a health service. Instead it is run as a profit making big business.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #72
    MagicSean
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    Worztron wrote: »
    Well the whole damn health service actively discriminates against the less well off. Do you recall poor Susie Long?

    The big problem is that it is supposed to be a health service. Instead it is run as a profit making big business.

    So blame the health service. Don't blame some poor sod that's dying of liver disease and just happens to have budgeted for health insurance. I have health insurance, and if it came down to it I would give up my broadband and tv before I gave up my health insurance because I think it's important to get the best treatment for my family. And the thought that some spiteful little begrudger might deny my child an organ because I put some importance on his health is disgusting.

    Sure there should be a single tier health system but killing off people who budget for health insurance is not how it should come about.


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    #73
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Sure there should be a single tier health system but killing off people who budget for health insurance is not how it should come about.

    That ain't going to happen if people keep paying for private health cover.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #74
    Chuck Stone
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    So effectively everyone in need of a transplant is means tested - the more you're in need of an organ the more likely your are to get it regardless of poverty/wealth.

    Wealth isn't worth shit if you or your child is facing death I'd imagine.

    Can you imagine if the organ transplant market was left open to the free market?

    Na, I'll let the docs decide what to do with my bits n pieces (except my eyes cos I'll need them on the other side to see of course).


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    #75
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Wealth isn't worth shit if you or your child is facing death I'd imagine.

    Tell that to the family of Susie Long. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/84817

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #76
    The Scientician
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    If anyone needs any booze addled organs they can have mine.


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    #77
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    Sindri wrote: »
    Ahh yes, but who decides the faith of someone's life?

    Captain_Generic wrote: »
    Spiderman

    no it was the doctor from star trek voyager... he had a mental breakdown over it so blanna torres had to delete the memory file


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    #78
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Worztron wrote: »
    Tell that to the family of Susie Long. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/84817

    The theme of this thread is organ transplants and how your wealth doesn't matter.

    There are problems with our weird hybrid mixed public/'private' system that's indisputable as your link shows.

    What do you propose as a solution other than ear-marking your organs for public patients only?


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    #79
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The theme of this thread is organ transplants and how your wealth doesn't matter.

    There are problems with our weird hybrid mixed public/'private' system that's indisputable as your link shows.

    What do you propose as a solution other than ear-marking your organs for public patients only?

    Everyone should be under one health service. Peoples health should be the priority - not profit. Everyone should be treated on a priority basis.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #80
    28064212
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    Worztron wrote: »
    Everyone should be under one health service. Peoples health should be the priority - not profit. Everyone should be treated on a priority basis.
    For organ donations, everyone is treated on a priority-only basis.

    You're calling for the exact same discrimination you imagine is happening, only in reverse. Why should someone rich have a lower priority than somebody poor?

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    #81
    Chuck Stone
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    Worztron wrote: »
    Everyone should be under one health service. Peoples health should be the priority - not profit. Everyone should be treated on a priority basis.

    Everyone should have a warm house. Everyone should have a nice car. Everyone should have a foreign holiday twice a year. Everyone should have a fur coat.

    How do you propose to make it an equitable system?

    Outlaw private health insurance and practice? Socialize all health and raise taxes?

    What are your solutions and how do you propose to pay for them? What will achieve the best outcomes?


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    #82
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Everyone should have a warm house. Everyone should have a nice car. Everyone should have a foreign holiday twice a year. Everyone should have a fur coat.
    Only the house part is worth mentioning from above.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    What are your solutions and how do you propose to pay for them? What will achieve the best outcomes?
    I don't have all the answers. I am highlighting the massive faults with our garbage health system.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #83
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Worztron wrote: »
    I don't have all the answers. I am highlighting the massive faults with our garbage health system.

    Old news.

    We need solutions.


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    28064212
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    Worztron wrote: »
    I don't have all the answers. I am highlighting the massive faults with our garbage health system.
    No you're not. In fact, you managed to pick out one of the few totally equitable parts of the Irish medical system, and then propose that we introduce discrimination

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