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Donor cards should have check box for "public patients only"

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    #32
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Worztron wrote: »
    There should not be a 2 tier health service. There should be 1 health service for all and someones wealth should be irrelevant to their treatment.

    I wonder would your opinion be the same if you won 100m on the euromillion say then found yourself in the middle of a cancer scare.


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    #33
    Cavehill Red
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Theres about 14 times more people in Britan than here, if there were more people in need of organs here thered be somethign seriously wrong with us.

    There's also 14 times the number of people to donate organs.
    I can understand a given year having minor disparities, but over time, we should be receiving as many as we give them, and that certainly wasn't the case over the late 90s, early 2000s.


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    #34
    My name is URL
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    Jesus, you'd think death would be enough to make you let go of prejudices.


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    #35
    starbelgrade
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I wonder would your opinion be the same if you won 100m on the euromillion say then found yourself in the middle of a cancer scare.

    If you won a hundred million, you could have your own doctor & live forever like Michael Jackson.


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    #36
    Guy:Incognito
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    If you won a hundred million, you could have your own doctor & live forever like Michael Jackson.

    Would that not count as a 2 tier system?

    Anyway, look what happened to Michael Jackson, I'll take my chances in a properly equipped private hospital thanks. He'll be back as a Futurama style frozen head anyway. He's just havign a rest


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    #37
    Kevin Duffy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Sindri wrote: »
    Ahh yes, but who decides the faith of someone's life?

    A lot of people have it chosen for them by their parents at Baptism or similar acts of claiming and indoctrination, but we can make our own spiritual choices as we mature.

    OP, what if my organ/s save a private patient who then donates their fortune to build a hospital wing? Is that better than a public patient who goes on to live an unhealthy lifestyle and waste the organ? Or maybe, just maybe, your idea is stupid.


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    #38
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    A lot of people have it chosen for them by their parents at Baptism or similar acts of claiming and indoctrination, but we can make our own spiritual choices as we mature.

    OP, what if my organ/s save a private patient who then donates their fortune to build a hospital wing? Is that better than a public patient who goes on to live an unhealthy lifestyle and waste the organ? Or maybe, just maybe, your idea is stupid.

    A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #39
    starbelgrade
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    Worztron wrote: »
    A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

    When you have enough money to pay for it you'll soon change your mind.


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    #40
    Kevin Duffy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Worztron wrote: »
    A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

    You could have just announced your prejudice from the beginning instead of trotting out a bollocks idea.


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    #41
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    When you have enough money to pay for it you'll soon change your mind.

    No chance of that.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #42
    starbelgrade
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    Worztron wrote: »
    No chance of that.

    Ah come on - you might not be poor all your life.


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    #43
    DonJose
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    Worztron wrote: »
    I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$

    That "rich private patient $%&£$" taxes are paying for the medical card for the "less well off family". Begrudgery still going strong in 2012. Hopefully the doctor will have enough ethics to decide that the organ should go the unhealthier patient.


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    #44
    cassi
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭cassi


    Worztron wrote: »
    A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

    If it wasn't for private health care my father may well not be alive today. Oh and he's not a wealthy man either, just budgeted health insurance into his life. And good thing he did.

    If you ever find yourself in th position of needing it, your attitude would quickly change!


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    #45
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Worztron wrote: »
    The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.
    Tbh, I'd be happy for organs to go to anyone at all, and I'm sure they would be too. People can't help having been born into a wealthier family any more than they can a poorer one. People from both backgrounds could be really ill. As long as there's some sort of regulation to make sure organs don't just go to people who can pay, that's fine with me. Oh and all people should automatically be regarded as donors, with an opt-out system rather than the opt-in system we have now.


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    #46
    Worztron
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    cassi wrote: »
    If it wasn't for private health care my father may well not be alive today. Oh and he's not a wealthy man either, just budgeted health insurance into his life. And good thing he did.

    If you ever find yourself in th position of needing it, your attitude would quickly change!

    I am glad to hear your father is well.

    If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #47
    cassi
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭cassi


    Worztron wrote: »
    I am glad to hear your father is well.

    If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

    So do you think that by getting rid of health insurance and private clinics, our health service would improve?


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    #48
    starbelgrade
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    Worztron wrote: »
    If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today.

    If it wasn't for the health system a lot more would be dead.


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    #49
    Kevin Duffy
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    Worztron wrote: »
    I am glad to hear your father is well.

    If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

    No matter what health system we have, we'll all die.


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    #50
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    No matter what health system we have, we'll all die.

    Clearly I was referring to dieing prematurely.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #51
    Kevin Duffy
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    Worztron wrote: »
    Clearly I was referring to dieing prematurely.

    Your right, sure there's people dying now that never died before.

    Your thread is going well, isn't it? I'd say you're about ready to take the idea to the Minister for Health.


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    #52
    starbelgrade
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    Worztron wrote: »
    Clearly I was referring to dieing prematurely.

    Most premature deaths are self inflicted. One of the hardest things to do in the medical health care system is to protect people from themselves.


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    #53
    Andy-Pandy
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    Without private health care i reckon my Mum would be dead. She has had two strokes and cancer. She is on disability but still pays for her VHI, its a rubbish system, but its better than relying on public health care. Whats your problem OP?


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    #54
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    cassi wrote: »
    So do you think that by getting rid of health insurance and private clinics, our health service would improve?

    If we had a first rate health system we would not need private health insurance.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #55
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Worztron wrote: »
    If we had a first rate health system we would not need private health insurance.

    Can you imagine what state the health system would be in right now if no insurer was offering private health cover in Ireland? If we had a first rate health system free to everyone then it wouldn't be long imploding and resulting in an all round poorer service for everyone.


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    #56
    cassi
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭cassi


    Worztron wrote: »
    If we had a first rate health system we would not need private health insurance.

    True but we dont have that right now. So rather than adressing the issue of health care, you want to take away the thing that actually gives people a chance!! It doesn't make sense to me.


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    #57
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Andy-Pandy wrote: »
    Without private health care i reckon my Mum would be dead. She has had two strokes and cancer. She is on disability but still pays for her VHI, its a rubbish system, but its better than relying on public health care. Whats your problem OP?

    Don't take it personally. Look, I am saying that EVERYONE should be looked after properly. Blame the idiotic governments (Mary Harney in particular). Many people are forced off private health cover now with all the price rises -- surely they deserve a proper health system. Look at Cuba - a relatively poor country but they have a good health system. Look at the USA - a rich country that would rather let you die on the street rather that treat you (if they knew their was no profit to be made from it).

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #58
    starbelgrade
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    Worztron wrote: »
    If we had a first rate health system we would not need private health insurance.

    Regardless of how good or bad the state health system is, there will always be a need for private health insurance by virtue of the fact that there will always be a demand for one.


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    #59
    steddyeddy
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    Worztron wrote: »
    The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

    I actually agree. I lived in america were the health system was disgusting to say the least. People who couldnt afford health insurance were often told they couldnt be treated by doctors. I dont think people who have pay for private service or health insurance are necessarily rich but people who want to donate their organs should definatly be given the option to give it to those who havent the money to pay for private service if they need it.

    Saying that In terms of emergency and life threathing illnesses doctors will try to treat people equally.


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    #60
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Worztron


    cassi wrote: »
    True but we dont have that right now. So rather than adressing the issue of health care, you want to take away the thing that actually gives people a chance!! It doesn't make sense to me.

    I am offering my views and opinions. Take it up with the bankers, politicians and other elite scum for putting us all in an impossible situation.

    Do you think it is right for an OAP that has worked all their life to lay on a hospital trolley for many hours waiting for a bed while politicians get express service in the private hospitals?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #61
    cassi
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭cassi


    Worztron wrote: »
    I am offering my views and opinions. Take it up with the bankers, politicians and other elite scum for putting us all in an impossible situation.

    Do you think it is right for an OAP that has worked all their life to lay on a hospital trolley for many hours waiting for a bed while politicians with get express service in the private hospitals?

    Of course I don't. But im not gonna take a crusade against health insurance holders when they aren't the actual problem! If your issue is with politicians etc getting preferential treatment, then take it to them but don't damn the average person who happens to have insurance?


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