Donor cards should have check box for "public patients only"

Worztron · 19-01-2012 9:48pm #1

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

hmmm · 19-01-2012 9:50pm

All that spite building up in your organs probably means they are useless anyway.

TheZohanS · 19-01-2012 9:51pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

Oh...well I donate platelets and I'm a private health patient...should I make demands as to where my platelets go?

I think not.

Senna · 19-01-2012 9:53pm

Its who ever is top of the list and close enough to get it in time. Its "need" over "wealth" etc.

gsxr1 · 19-01-2012 9:53pm

Who cares how successful the recipient is in life. As long as you save a life.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 9:53pm

hmmm wrote: »

All that spite building up in your organs probably means they are useless anyway.

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

Worztron · 19-01-2012 9:55pm

Senna wrote: »

Its who ever is top of the list and close enough to get it in time. Its "need" over "wealth" etc.

I will believe in "need" over "wealth" when I see a minister on a hospital trolley waiting days on end for a bed.

Sindri · 19-01-2012 9:55pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

Ahh yes, but who decides the faith of someone's life?

Captain_Generic · 19-01-2012 9:55pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

Spiderman

19-01-2012 9:56pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

them foreigners

Underdraft · 19-01-2012 9:57pm

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Spiderman

With great organs comes great responsibility.

jam_mac_jam · 19-01-2012 9:58pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

Does that happen very often? Are they also the same match of organ, blood etc.?

Cavehill Red · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

bluewolf wrote: »

them foreigners

I believe we 'share' organ donations with Britain, and they get more off us than we get off them. That was certainly the case in the recent past anyway.

Pin_Cushion · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

Whoever the consultant decides needs it most, regardless of their type of cover. This is how it works in our hospitals.

cocoshovel · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Anybody else have an organ donor card but never bothered to get next of kin to sign it?

Guy:Incognito · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Worztron wrote: »

I will believe in "need" over "wealth" when I see a minister on a hospital trolley waiting days on end for a bed.

If you earned over 100k a year would you go public?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I believe we 'share' organ donations with Britain, and they get more off us than we get off them. That was certainly the case in the recent past anyway.

Theres about 14 times more people in Britan than here, if there were more people in need of organs here thered be somethign seriously wrong with us.

Rhyme · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Underdraft wrote: »

With great organs comes great responsibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

hmmm · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

It depends on who is next on the list as run by the National Organ Procurement Service. Have you not done your research before you started this thread?

Besides which, these "rich" kids parents have been paying for your dole and medical card.

TheZohanS · 19-01-2012 9:59pm

Worztron wrote: »

If 2 people (both same age) need an organ (just one is available). 1 is private and the other is public. Who do you think will get it?

What if the organ donor is a private patient? Is it right that it's given to a public patent?

44leto · 19-01-2012 10:00pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

Have you got evidence for this because I think that's BS, you are put on a waiting list and then that depends on compatibility for the donated organ.

PrincessLola · 19-01-2012 10:00pm

This post is puzzling. Rich people may be able to buy their way into a lot of things, but they can't buy organs (not legally and safely anyway).

DarkJager · 19-01-2012 10:01pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

No, the private health insurance gives you a standard of quality treatment because you PAY for it. I'm not aware though of private patients getting preferential treatment for organ donation, please explain?

PaulKK · 19-01-2012 10:01pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

Ever consider that not everyone with health insurance is rich?

Many have it as a benefit package as part of their job.

blackbox · 19-01-2012 10:01pm

Why should you care if people wish to spend their money on additional health insurance on top of what they are already paying in taxes to cover the basic service.

Other people may wish to spend their money on holidays instead. Yet others may chose to spend it on cigarettes, or on their children's education.

If they have earned the money, it's their choice.

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Teyla Emmagan · 19-01-2012 10:01pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

Are you even an organ donor like? Or just sh(t stirring?!

The whole point of carrying a card is to help save someone else's life when you're gone. It's supposed to be the ultimate act of altruism, not a tool with which to make a cheap political statement.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 10:04pm

blackbox wrote: »

Why should you care if people wish to spend their money on additional health insurance on top of what they are already paying in taxes to cover the basic service.

Other people may wish to spend their money on holidays instead. Yet others may chose to spend it on cigarettes, or on their children's education.

If they have earned the money, it's their choice.

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There should not be a 2 tier health service. There should be 1 health service for all and someones wealth should be irrelevant to their treatment.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 10:06pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Are you even an organ donor like? Or just sh(t stirring?!

The whole point of carrying a card is to help save someone else's life when you're gone. It's supposed to be the ultimate act of altruism, not a tool with which to make a cheap political statement.

I have an organ donor card. I am entitled to my opinion.

TheZohanS · 19-01-2012 10:06pm

Worztron wrote: »

There should not be a 2 tier health service. There should be 1 health service for all and someones wealth should be irrelevant to their treatment.

lol

DarkJager · 19-01-2012 10:06pm

Worztron wrote: »

There should not be a 2 tier health service. There should be 1 health service for all and someones wealth should be irrelevant to their treatment.

Yet again, you pay for a service you get a service. You dont, then you rely in the governments ability to operate it's health service. Tough **** basically.

Spacedog · 19-01-2012 10:07pm

bluewolf wrote: »

them foreigners

Dey took ur errrrrrrrrrrrrgins, Derp-a-derp!

44leto · 19-01-2012 10:08pm

Worztron wrote: »

I have an organ donor card. I am entitled to my opinion.

Indeed you are, but could you please back up what you said in the OP. Or is that a made up opinion.

Guy:Incognito · 19-01-2012 10:08pm

Worztron wrote: »

There should not be a 2 tier health service. There should be 1 health service for all and someones wealth should be irrelevant to their treatment.

I wonder would your opinion be the same if you won 100m on the euromillion say then found yourself in the middle of a cancer scare.

Cavehill Red · 19-01-2012 10:14pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres about 14 times more people in Britan than here, if there were more people in need of organs here thered be somethign seriously wrong with us.

There's also 14 times the number of people to donate organs.
I can understand a given year having minor disparities, but over time, we should be receiving as many as we give them, and that certainly wasn't the case over the late 90s, early 2000s.

My name is URL · 19-01-2012 10:15pm

Jesus, you'd think death would be enough to make you let go of prejudices.

starbelgrade · 19-01-2012 10:15pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I wonder would your opinion be the same if you won 100m on the euromillion say then found yourself in the middle of a cancer scare.

If you won a hundred million, you could have your own doctor & live forever like Michael Jackson.

Guy:Incognito · 19-01-2012 10:17pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

If you won a hundred million, you could have your own doctor & live forever like Michael Jackson.

Would that not count as a 2 tier system?

Anyway, look what happened to Michael Jackson, I'll take my chances in a properly equipped private hospital thanks. He'll be back as a Futurama style frozen head anyway. He's just havign a rest

Kevin Duffy · 19-01-2012 10:26pm

Sindri wrote: »

Ahh yes, but who decides the faith of someone's life?

A lot of people have it chosen for them by their parents at Baptism or similar acts of claiming and indoctrination, but we can make our own spiritual choices as we mature.

OP, what if my organ/s save a private patient who then donates their fortune to build a hospital wing? Is that better than a public patient who goes on to live an unhealthy lifestyle and waste the organ? Or maybe, just maybe, your idea is stupid.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 10:27pm

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

A lot of people have it chosen for them by their parents at Baptism or similar acts of claiming and indoctrination, but we can make our own spiritual choices as we mature.

OP, what if my organ/s save a private patient who then donates their fortune to build a hospital wing? Is that better than a public patient who goes on to live an unhealthy lifestyle and waste the organ? Or maybe, just maybe, your idea is stupid.

A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

starbelgrade · 19-01-2012 10:29pm

Worztron wrote: »

A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

When you have enough money to pay for it you'll soon change your mind.

Kevin Duffy · 19-01-2012 10:32pm

Worztron wrote: »

A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

You could have just announced your prejudice from the beginning instead of trotting out a bollocks idea.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 10:32pm

starbelgrade wrote: »

When you have enough money to pay for it you'll soon change your mind.

No chance of that.

starbelgrade · 19-01-2012 10:33pm

Worztron wrote: »

No chance of that.

Ah come on - you might not be poor all your life.

DonJose · 19-01-2012 10:34pm

Worztron wrote: »

I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$

That "rich private patient $%&£$" taxes are paying for the medical card for the "less well off family". Begrudgery still going strong in 2012. Hopefully the doctor will have enough ethics to decide that the organ should go the unhealthier patient.

cassi · 19-01-2012 10:37pm

Worztron wrote: »

A abhor the whole notion of private health care.

If it wasn't for private health care my father may well not be alive today. Oh and he's not a wealthy man either, just budgeted health insurance into his life. And good thing he did.

If you ever find yourself in th position of needing it, your attitude would quickly change!

Johro · 19-01-2012 10:44pm

Worztron wrote: »

The Donor card should have a check box for "public patients only". I don't want some rich private patient $%&£$ to get it over a kid from a less well off family. The private health service seeks to give preferential treatment based on someones wealth - what a disgusting notion. I seek to balance things.

Tbh, I'd be happy for organs to go to anyone at all, and I'm sure they would be too. People can't help having been born into a wealthier family any more than they can a poorer one. People from both backgrounds could be really ill. As long as there's some sort of regulation to make sure organs don't just go to people who can pay, that's fine with me. Oh and all people should automatically be regarded as donors, with an opt-out system rather than the opt-in system we have now.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 10:45pm

cassi wrote: »

If it wasn't for private health care my father may well not be alive today. Oh and he's not a wealthy man either, just budgeted health insurance into his life. And good thing he did.

If you ever find yourself in th position of needing it, your attitude would quickly change!

I am glad to hear your father is well.

If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

cassi · 19-01-2012 10:50pm

Worztron wrote: »

I am glad to hear your father is well.

If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

So do you think that by getting rid of health insurance and private clinics, our health service would improve?

starbelgrade · 19-01-2012 10:51pm

Worztron wrote: »

If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today.

If it wasn't for the health system a lot more would be dead.

Kevin Duffy · 19-01-2012 10:56pm

Worztron wrote: »

I am glad to hear your father is well.

If it wasn't for the lousy health system in this country -- many people would be alive today. Again, I reiterate that 1 health system should be here for all and people are treated on priority and not on wealth.

No matter what health system we have, we'll all die.

Worztron · 19-01-2012 11:05pm

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

No matter what health system we have, we'll all die.

Clearly I was referring to dieing prematurely.

Kevin Duffy · 19-01-2012 11:08pm

Worztron wrote: »

Clearly I was referring to dieing prematurely.

Your right, sure there's people dying now that never died before.

Your thread is going well, isn't it? I'd say you're about ready to take the idea to the Minister for Health.

Donor cards should have check box for "public patients only"

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