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Peppa Pig is evil?
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Bear in the Big blue house, love this programme! I just love the otters Pip and Pop, harmless fun for littlies
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I think that this programme is an abomination and must be banned now! Principally, my problem is with Luna! The so called moon! Otherwise known as the pervert. " I've been watching you today bear, I've seen everything you've been doing, bear" in that sultry durty, durty voice of hers. And as for Bear himself, what is a grown man doing living in a house with children who are not related to him? I demand an enquiry now!
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There was an episode on the other day where there was a flood and one character was sent to get supplies from the shop and came back with 'chocolate for dinner'..
I was expecting him to be reprimanded but it turns out.. That's what they usually eat for dinner.. chocolate
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There was an episode on the other day where there was a flood and one character was sent to get supplies from the shop and came back with 'chocolate for dinner'..
I was expecting him to be reprimanded but it turns out.. That's what they usually eat for dinner.. chocolate
Are you sure about that :cool:
I'm sure every word, every suggestion, every character is scrutinised 100% by experts who would know about such things. Peppa Pig is sold in many countries, so I doubt they would risk anything like that (usually eating chocolate for dinner), otherwise it would be finished. Personally I think its a very funny & polished cartoon, it keeps the kids enthralled, and there's a few jokes in there for the parents too0 -
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I'm sure every word, every suggestion, every character is scrutinised 100% by experts who would know about such things. Peppa Pig is sold in many countries, so I doubt they would risk anything like that (usually eating chocolate for dinner), otherwise it would be finished. Personally I think its a very funny & polished cartoon, it keeps the kids enthralled, and there's a few jokes in there for the parents too
You mean like McDonald's or Coca-cola? That kind of polished?
My two and a half-year old son absolutely adores Peppa Pig and nothing else will do but I hate her with a passion.
I was in the butcher's with him today and I pointed at the pork and said, "Ooh, look! It's Peppa!"
He didn't have a clue what I was on about but I felt a little better in myself on account of that cheery notion.
I've been discussing Peppa a lot lately in the context of indoctrination and the age at which children are most susceptible to indoctrination and in particular, the symbolism that is chosen to convey the ideas of a given doctrine.
Some of the people I have discussed this with are familiar with Peppa pig and they all attempted to adopt a defensive position with arguments such as, 'It's only a cartoon designed to entertain, it's not meant to be taken seriously.' and 'It keeps my little one entertained so that I can do the washing-up.' for example.
So I ask, "If you met a child who behaved exactly as Peppa does would you find him or her obnoxious?"
It turns out that everyone does know such a child and indeed they do find that child obnoxious and they counter with, "Yes, but I wouldn't put up with that kind of behaviour in my child" and there have been times when I have quietly thought, "But your daughter reminds me of Peppa." All of which leads to another important consideration - which came first? The the ham or the bacon?
Does Peppa Pig simply reflect society as it is or is Peppa Pig responsible for society being the way it is? Daddy or chips?
Well obviously it's 'daddy' isn't it? He's responsible. But to me, it's a far deeper question - surely 'chips', especially when they come with a free coke, undermine 'daddy' to some extent.
So, let's look at the aspect of real society reflected by Peppa the pig. True, selfish children have been indulged in every generation that ever existed so Peppa doesn't represent anything new here. And true, every generation that ever existed has seen the guy wearing the black hat winning. In real life it appears that the bad guys usually do win. Bankers, politicians, insurance companies represent a high level of success in our society. Self-serving, agenda driven people who regard others as nothing more than 'contributors to their well-being'.
Seem harsh? And isn't Peppa the pig actually a megalomaniac? And before you butt in, would you be comfortable letting a young child watch 'Family Guy'?
But seriously, ther is an episode of Peppa Pig where Peppa is being mean and poking fun at George because he's too little to ride a proper bike, the kind of thing she often does as she's a show-off, when one of her friends points out that Peppa's bike is the only one with stabilizers. Instead of learning a lesson in humility, she sulks, refuses to ride with her friends and proceeds to 'sweetly' bark out orders to Daddy pig until she can ride without stabilizers and everyone's happy. Except for me. (I must admit that I think that this could have been balanced to some extent if George's feeling about being treated meanly then seeing karma immediately bring about Peppa's fall from grace had been conveyed. In the vein of the series, perhaps he should have appeared smug.
She then goes on to show-off which results in Daddy pig's pumpkin getting trashed. Poor daddy, he always pays the price. But he's nothing if not enthusiastic, especially when it comes to food, and he cheerfully proclaims that he will make a pumpin pie. Hooray for Peppa! Because of her we can have pumpkin pie.
She shouldn't have got any pie and the bike should have been confiscated for a week. That way, Peppa and her dad could have shared their period of loss but no, bad behaviour saves the day... in episode after episode, and not just Peppa, Pedro the pony is a terrible example, he's always late, it's funny; he always loses thing but they keep trusting him with his ticket anyway; he pretends to feel ill and gets to drive the train or sit up front, and so on.
We tell our children to share, to show humility, respect. Well, we don't but we like to think that we do or would do. Nothing like this is conveyed in Peppa Pig and any behaviour learned from Peppa Pig is bound to be dissonant with any attempts to convey such things in the real world.
And I started with words like 'indoctrination' and 'susceptible' - What does Peppa Pig 'say' to our kids? Who is saying it and why?
Do we care? Should we care? You used the term 'polished' and alluded to the fact that there are indeed tight restrictions on what is presented to children in just about all forms of broadcast which is as it should be but these are the same kinds of bodies that allow McDonald's and Coca-cola to advertise in schools. Is that 'right'?
If you are saying that Peppa Pig is 'harmless' by virtue of the 'fact' that 'they' wouldn't allow anything to be broadcast that might have an adverse effects on society then I would say that you need to be careful - that is a whole heap of assumptions which have more evidence that undermine them than supports them. 'They' do allow obesity to become endemic. 'They' do allow alcoholism to develop. 'They' allow us to be poisoned by 'commodities'. In fact, there are very few people that would disagree that modern society is driven by greed, everyone wants to win the lottery, and consumerism is at the very heart of capitalism.
Would 'they' allow a cartoon that serves only to show that selfishness and greed lead directly to success to be shown to small children, a cartoon that directly states that greed and selfishness is routinely rewarded? Would 'they' allow our children to be indoctrinated with a set of values that would tend to support a consumerist society that may be detrimental to their health or social well-being?
Darn tooting 'they' would.
Look at the advertising that goes on during children's programmes. Especially in the run up to Christmas. How much household debt has been incurred directly through that means? (I wonder if there was ever a study that looked at how many children were denied university education because they wanted every version of the PlayStation for Christmas and every available game at arbitrary times in between. And the latest Nike runners of course or Man U strips.)
'They' teach our children much more than we realise and 'they' are the ones foreclosing on our mortgages which can't be paid because of the financial damage caused by the foreclosers. In the same way that Coca-cola created the modern Santa Claus, 'they' might well have created Peppa Pig as part of a pre-school advertising campaign, 'Want it? Have it.'
That's not what I want for my son and I suspect that almost none of us actually want that.
It's the little things they get us on. No-one bats an eyelid now that the run-up to Christmas starts in the middle of January and we have all submitted to the Coca-cola/McDonald's/MicroSoft/Tesco's way.
Modern society has evolved into a system that relies on a large 'sheep' population and a tiny 'lion' minority population. That way, the lions can be happy and the sheep can do everything else. The 'lions' have their own problems but the 'sheep' have more.
The simple things. Peppa Pig seems very simple but therein lies a clue as to the extent of the 'polish'. The language is simple, the ideas are simple, the animation is ultra-simple. Everything about Peppa Pig is simple and that is an important design feature. You see, it's so simple as to appear totally mundane to anyone over a certain mental age but to a three-year old, these ideas are novel, intriguing. Peppa Pig will directly affect the behaviour of a certain number of children, they will 'try it on' to see if it works for them. In fact, Peppa Pig is so simple that it is likely to inform and therefore influence most, if not all, children who develop an interest in it.
Think of it from a CEO of a massive corporation's point of view - here is a programme that can directly lead to selfishly motivated requests to be made by children to parents. 'I want this', I want that', how many requests made would be likely to be acceded to? I reckon that most parents would grant most requests when they can. If you now think in terms of how those numbers convert into trips to McDonald's or a trip to Tesco's to get chocolate cake, etc., it is easy to see how large amounts of money can be made.
Hmm, 'they' wouldn't allow children that have just began their journey of understanding to be the targets of advertising would they? Yes, they would.
As far as keeping the kids quiet is concerned... Yeah? Try walking the push-chair past Peppa Pig merchandise...
Actually, I feel more strongly than I thought I did about this and have therefore decided to start a Campaign Reacting Against Peppa campaign. 0 -
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You mean like McDonald's or Coca-cola? That kind of polished?
My two and a half-year old son absolutely adores Peppa Pig and nothing else will do but I hate her with a passion.
I was in the butcher's with him today and I pointed at the pork and said, "Ooh, look! It's Peppa!"
He didn't have a clue what I was on about but I felt a little better in myself on account of that cheery notion.
I've been discussing Peppa a lot lately in the context of indoctrination and the age at which children are most susceptible to indoctrination and in particular, the symbolism that is chosen to convey the ideas of a given doctrine.
Some of the people I have discussed this with are familiar with Peppa pig and they all attempted to adopt a defensive position with arguments such as, 'It's only a cartoon designed to entertain, it's not meant to be taken seriously.' and 'It keeps my little one entertained so that I can do the washing-up.' for example.
So I ask, "If you met a child who behaved exactly as Peppa does would you find him or her obnoxious?"
It turns out that everyone does know such a child and indeed they do find that child obnoxious and they counter with, "Yes, but I wouldn't put up with that kind of behaviour in my child" and there have been times when I have quietly thought, "But your daughter reminds me of Peppa." All of which leads to another important consideration - which came first? The the ham or the bacon?
Does Peppa Pig simply reflect society as it is or is Peppa Pig responsible for society being the way it is? Daddy or chips?
Well obviously it's 'daddy' isn't it? He's responsible. But to me, it's a far deeper question - surely 'chips', especially when they come with a free coke, undermine 'daddy' to some extent.
So, let's look at the aspect of real society reflected by Peppa the pig. True, selfish children have been indulged in every generation that ever existed so Peppa doesn't represent anything new here. And true, every generation that ever existed has seen the guy wearing the black hat winning. In real life it appears that the bad guys usually do win. Bankers, politicians, insurance companies represent a high level of success in our society. Self-serving, agenda driven people who regard others as nothing more than 'contributors to their well-being'.
Seem harsh? And isn't Peppa the pig actually a megalomaniac? And before you butt in, would you be comfortable letting a young child watch 'Family Guy'?
But seriously, ther is an episode of Peppa Pig where Peppa is being mean and poking fun at George because he's too little to ride a proper bike, the kind of thing she often does as she's a show-off, when one of her friends points out that Peppa's bike is the only one with stabilizers. Instead of learning a lesson in humility, she sulks, refuses to ride with her friends and proceeds to 'sweetly' bark out orders to Daddy pig until she can ride without stabilizers and everyone's happy. Except for me. (I must admit that I think that this could have been balanced to some extent if George's feeling about being treated meanly then seeing karma immediately bring about Peppa's fall from grace had been conveyed. In the vein of the series, perhaps he should have appeared smug.
She then goes on to show-off which results in Daddy pig's pumpkin getting trashed. Poor daddy, he always pays the price. But he's nothing if not enthusiastic, especially when it comes to food, and he cheerfully proclaims that he will make a pumpin pie. Hooray for Peppa! Because of her we can have pumpkin pie.
She shouldn't have got any pie and the bike should have been confiscated for a week. That way, Peppa and her dad could have shared their period of loss but no, bad behaviour saves the day... in episode after episode, and not just Peppa, Pedro the pony is a terrible example, he's always late, it's funny; he always loses thing but they keep trusting him with his ticket anyway; he pretends to feel ill and gets to drive the train or sit up front, and so on.
We tell our children to share, to show humility, respect. Well, we don't but we like to think that we do or would do. Nothing like this is conveyed in Peppa Pig and any behaviour learned from Peppa Pig is bound to be dissonant with any attempts to convey such things in the real world.
And I started with words like 'indoctrination' and 'susceptible' - What does Peppa Pig 'say' to our kids? Who is saying it and why?
Do we care? Should we care? You used the term 'polished' and alluded to the fact that there are indeed tight restrictions on what is presented to children in just about all forms of broadcast which is as it should be but these are the same kinds of bodies that allow McDonald's and Coca-cola to advertise in schools. Is that 'right'?
If you are saying that Peppa Pig is 'harmless' by virtue of the 'fact' that 'they' wouldn't allow anything to be broadcast that might have an adverse effects on society then I would say that you need to be careful - that is a whole heap of assumptions which have more evidence that undermine them than supports them. 'They' do allow obesity to become endemic. 'They' do allow alcoholism to develop. 'They' allow us to be poisoned by 'commodities'. In fact, there are very few people that would disagree that modern society is driven by greed, everyone wants to win the lottery, and consumerism is at the very heart of capitalism.
Would 'they' allow a cartoon that serves only to show that selfishness and greed lead directly to success to be shown to small children, a cartoon that directly states that greed and selfishness is routinely rewarded? Would 'they' allow our children to be indoctrinated with a set of values that would tend to support a consumerist society that may be detrimental to their health or social well-being?
Darn tooting 'they' would.
Look at the advertising that goes on during children's programmes. Especially in the run up to Christmas. How much household debt has been incurred directly through that means? (I wonder if there was ever a study that looked at how many children were denied university education because they wanted every version of the PlayStation for Christmas and every available game at arbitrary times in between. And the latest Nike runners of course or Man U strips.)
'They' teach our children much more than we realise and 'they' are the ones foreclosing on our mortgages which can't be paid because of the financial damage caused by the foreclosers. In the same way that Coca-cola created the modern Santa Claus, 'they' might well have created Peppa Pig as part of a pre-school advertising campaign, 'Want it? Have it.'
That's not what I want for my son and I suspect that almost none of us actually want that.
It's the little things they get us on. No-one bats an eyelid now that the run-up to Christmas starts in the middle of January and we have all submitted to the Coca-cola/McDonald's/MicroSoft/Tesco's way.
Modern society has evolved into a system that relies on a large 'sheep' population and a tiny 'lion' minority population. That way, the lions can be happy and the sheep can do everything else. The 'lions' have their own problems but the 'sheep' have more.
The simple things. Peppa Pig seems very simple but therein lies a clue as to the extent of the 'polish'. The language is simple, the ideas are simple, the animation is ultra-simple. Everything about Peppa Pig is simple and that is an important design feature. You see, it's so simple as to appear totally mundane to anyone over a certain mental age but to a three-year old, these ideas are novel, intriguing. Peppa Pig will directly affect the behaviour of a certain number of children, they will 'try it on' to see if it works for them. In fact, Peppa Pig is so simple that it is likely to inform and therefore influence most, if not all, children who develop an interest in it.
Think of it from a CEO of a massive corporation's point of view - here is a programme that can directly lead to selfishly motivated requests to be made by children to parents. 'I want this', I want that', how many requests made would be likely to be acceded to? I reckon that most parents would grant most requests when they can. If you now think in terms of how those numbers convert into trips to McDonald's or a trip to Tesco's to get chocolate cake, etc., it is easy to see how large amounts of money can be made.
Hmm, 'they' wouldn't allow children that have just began their journey of understanding to be the targets of advertising would they? Yes, they would.
As far as keeping the kids quiet is concerned... Yeah? Try walking the push-chair past Peppa Pig merchandise...
Actually, I feel more strongly than I thought I did about this and have therefore decided to start a Campaign Reacting Against Peppa campaign.
Could hardly got through that rambling, and still haven't found a valid point. Peppa is fine in small doses, as it also teaches them some positive things. I am much more dreading the next step of Power Rangers, Horrid Henry or Barbie stuff etc. That's far worse IMO the a family of pigs who like to their chocolate cake.0 -
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