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    #9332
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    This is from an IGN article about the Halo delay
    Delaying Halo Infinite to 2021 was no doubt a very difficult choice for 343 Industries Studio Head Bonnie Ross, Xbox Game Studios boss Matt Booty, and Head of Xbox Phil Spencer, but it is absolutely the right one. It requires a whole lot of entrepreneurial courage to do what they just did, as I can’t think of another time in video game history where a console’s long-touted flagship launch game got delayed at the eleventh hour. .

    The absolute state of games media, they are literally just PR for the major publishers. They didn't delay it because they were brave or courageous, they delayed it because it went down like a lead balloon in its first public showing due to mis-managment during its protracted 5-year development which saw it lose its creative director


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    #9333
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Am I allowed say that there were very few games that showed actual gameplay between the platform holders and that Halo infinite actually looked like.... Heaps of fun?
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    #9334
    Thecageyone
    Registered Users Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I hate that about these showcases - most of the footage they show is cut scenes. I just hate the whole promo thing for games years before actual release in general. It just doesn't excite me seeing news and the odd cut scene for a game that i can't play for another year, over time if anything it turns me off. They used to do this a lot more with movies, but it's not been so bad last couple years. Now you see a trailer, you know the movie is either done or almost ready for release.


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    #9335
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    Thecageyone wrote: »
    I hate that about these showcases - most of the footage they show is cut scenes. I just hate the whole promo thing for games years before actual release in general. It just doesn't excite me seeing news and the odd cut scene for a game that i can't play for another year, over time if anything it turns me off. They used to do this a lot more with movies, but it's not been so bad last couple years. Now you see a trailer, you know the movie is either done or almost ready for release.

    The New Mutants has gone completely over the top with its trailer to the point where my passing interest in it has completely dissipated.

    Cyberpunk's endless promotion has killed any real interest in playing. I'll pick it up cheap but there's no excitement on my end for the game's release.


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    #9336
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Even though the game didn't live up to the hype, I think Fallout 4 is the absolute best way to reveal/release a game.

    Was an open secret for years, was announced in June, released in November. Perfect.


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    #9337
    Mr.Fantastic
    Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Mr.Fantastic


    Markitron wrote: »
    Even though the game didn't live up to the hype, I think Fallout 4 is the absolute best way to reveal/release a game.

    Was an open secret for years, was announced in June, released in November. Perfect.

    Shame about the game itself, I was very disappointed when it was released


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    #9338
    heebusjeebus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Am I allowed say that there were very few games that showed actual gameplay between the platform holders and that Halo infinite actually looked like.... Heaps of fun?

    I was looking at the wrong gameplay video then as it looked like a more boring version of Destiny. And I find Destiny painfully boring.


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    #9339
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Mr.Fantastic wrote: »
    Shame about the game itself, I was very disappointed when it was released

    I thought it was just fine I suppose, the technical updates were nice, but pretty much everything else was lacking compared to New Vegas.
    heebusjeebus wrote: »
    I was looking at the wrong gameplay video then as it looked like a more boring version of Destiny. And I find Destiny painfully boring.

    To me it looked like the same old Halo I have played multiple times before, except with a grappling hook, which itself is quickly becoming a tedious and overused game mechanic. The fact that it looked so technically poor certainly didn't help.


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    #9340
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    heebusjeebus wrote: »
    I was looking at the wrong gameplay video then as it looked like a more boring version of Destiny. And I find Destiny painfully boring.

    I find Destiny painfully boring as well but to me it looked like a decent shooter rather than a boring loot'em up like Borderlands or Destiny. And the open world seemed to suit Halo's combat really well.

    Graphically I thought it looked fine but if it's aiming for 60 FPS it won't look as good as the Sony games aiming for 30 FPS at 4K. Did see some graphical glitches in far away transparency effects but it looked like something they could fix before release and thought it showed that they were confident enough in the game to show it running in an uncontrolled environment was very encouraging that the project was in a good place.

    Graphics can also improve massively in a few weeks before release. The PS3 release of GoW3 is a perfect example compared to previous gameplay showings.
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    #9341
    EoinMcLovin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


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    We will offer a free next-gen digital upgrade for those who buy Control Ultimate Edition on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. For more information on eligibility, stay tuned to our website and community channels.

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    #9342
    Thecageyone
    Registered Users Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    The New Mutants has gone completely over the top with its trailer to the point where my passing interest in it has completely dissipated.

    Cyberpunk's endless promotion has killed any real interest in playing. I'll pick it up cheap but there's no excitement on my end for the game's release.

    Cyberpunk is one I was thinking of for sure, was excited at first, then it dragged on, and on ... to the point I don't look at anything about the game now. I'll check it out upon release, see what the end reviews say and then think about whether my machine can run it :D


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    #9343
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Thecageyone wrote: »
    Cyberpunk is one I was thinking of for sure, was excited at first, then it dragged on, and on ... to the point I don't look at anything about the game now. I'll check it out upon release, see what the end reviews say and then think about whether my machine can run it :D

    They announced that game in 2013, I think only the likes of Duke Nukem can beat that kinda dragging on.

    Personally I'm not really paying attention to their marketing, between the developers previous games and the E3 gameplay from last year, I know its going to be good enough for a day 1 purchase (or day whatever-the-day-the-PS5-is-released).


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    #9344
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,703 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Backwards compatibility looking like a must have feature for both consoles as there'll be no new games to play on them until next year :D

    I know we're laughing, but TBH has there ever been a "good" launch?



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    #9345
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    I know we're laughing, but TBH has there ever been a "good" launch?


    I will fight anyone that says Mario 64, Shadows of the Empire and Pilotwings 64 wasn't a good launch.


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    #9346
    heebusjeebus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    I know we're laughing, but TBH has there ever been a "good" launch?


    Considering the hardware delays with the N64, to release that few games on launch is shocking.
    I didnt pick a N64 up until Goldeneye was released. Plenty of games to get through at that stage.


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    #9347
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Two games was the norm back then. The SNES launched with two. The megadrive launched with two. The PS1 launched with few games, only Ridge Racer was worth playing (western launches were a bit more robust).

    Plenty of great console launches. The N64 just needed Mario 64 as it was incredible. SNES had Super Mario World, and all time classic, and Pilotwings which was a great tech demo but also a great game in its own right.

    The Western Dreamcast launch line up was legendary (the less said about the Japanese launch the better). The PSP had an incredible launch line up. The Wii was pretty decent as well with some real surprisingly good games like Raving Rabbids. The Vita started strong as well. Gamecube launch line up was excellent. And of course the XBox with Halo but also had a few great games that are now over looked.
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    #9348
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    As an aside, interesting stats here on frame rate of titles across the Playstation launches:

    https://twitter.com/dark1x/status/1293544030350061568?s=20


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    #9349
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    heebusjeebus wrote: »
    Considering the hardware delays with the N64, to release that few games on launch is shocking.
    I didnt pick a N64 up until Goldeneye was released. Plenty of games to get through at that stage.

    It wasn't that bad in Ireland tbf. It launched in March with Mario 64, SotE, Waverace and Pilotwings. By the summer we also had Starfox, Blast Corps, ISS 64 and Mario Kart 64


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    #9350
    SomeSayKos
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭SomeSayKos


    Mario 64 + Waverace + Pilotwings 64 = Deadly launch line-up


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    #9351
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    As an aside, interesting stats here on frame rate of titles across the Playstation launches:

    https://twitter.com/dark1x/status/1293544030350061568?s=20

    Nice list. We didn't realise how good we had it with the insane amount of eDRAM in the PS2 meaning 60 Hz was a very realistic target to hit. Per pixel it had far more eDRAM than the XBox 360 (480p vs. 720p).

    If you look at the launch games you can see there's a bit of fudging as some of those games are puzzle games, fighting games (need to be 60 FPS), old school shoot'em up collections and arcade racers.
    Markitron wrote: »
    It wasn't that bad in Ireland tbf. It launched in March with Mario 64, SotE, Waverace and Pilotwings. By the summer we also had Starfox, Blast Corps, ISS 64 and Mario Kart 64

    Yeah but Shadows of the empire is such a piece of **** it negates all the good.
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    #9352
    Retr0gamer
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    SomeSayKos wrote: »
    Mario 64 + Waverace + Pilotwings 64 = Deadly launch line-up

    If you get one amazing game in a launch line up I would call it successful. Still remember the PS3 and PS4 and buying games just to have games and not liking anything (and they weren't even at launch, both a year after launch).

    DS was kind of week as well but that picked up steam quickly to become the best console ever (fight me) and warioware was lots of fun.
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    #9353
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    If you get one amazing game in a launch line up I would call it successful. Still remember the PS3 and PS4 and buying games just to have games and not liking anything (and they weren't even at launch, both a year after launch).

    DS was kind of week as well but that picked up steam quickly to become the best console ever (fight me) and warioware was lots of fun.

    Ya, tbh the only reason I may buy a PS5 around launch is because my PS4 is dying at this stage. Lockdown has left me fiscally better off than ever. :pac:


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    #9354
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ya, tbh the only reason I may buy a PS5 around launch is because my PS4 is dying at this stage. Lockdown has left me fiscally better off than ever. :pac:

    Cyberpunk and Demon's Souls would make it the best launch lineup since the N64 for me.


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    #9355
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,897 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    A cross gen multiplatform game and a remaster....

    No matter the quality of those two games they don't scream next gen to me. They'll keep you entertained but I want to be wowed.

    Saying that I think being wowed by launch titles is a thing of the past.
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    #9356
    heebusjeebus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    A cross gen multiplatform game and a remaster....

    No matter the quality of those two games they don't scream next gen to me. They'll keep you entertained but I want to be wowed.

    Saying that I think being wowed by launch titles is a thing of the past.

    I'll be wowed if all my PS4 games load instantly!


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    #9357
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,506 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    The New Mutants has gone completely over the top with its trailer to the point where my passing interest in it has completely dissipated.

    Cyberpunk's endless promotion has killed any real interest in playing. I'll pick it up cheap but there's no excitement on my end for the game's release.

    Wouldn't say Cyberpunk has shown much at all, we've seen some random bits and some initial details on the 3 starting origins.


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    #9358
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Yeah but Shadows of the empire is such a piece of **** it negates all the good.

    But that Hoth level though....

    Was incredible at the time, I replayed that one level so many times.


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    #9359
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    CatInABox wrote: »
    But that Hoth level though....

    Was incredible at the time, I replayed that one level so many times.

    Was it cause you couldn't get past it like me?


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    #9360
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Markitron wrote: »
    Even though the game didn't live up to the hype, I think Fallout 4 is the absolute best way to reveal/release a game.

    Was an open secret for years, was announced in June, released in November. Perfect.

    Compare that to We Happy Few, anounced in FEB 2015, and didn't launch until AUG 18, three and a half years later. By the time it launched it's genera was mostly winding down!


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    #9361
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Mal-Adjusted wrote: »
    Compare that to We Happy Few, anounced in FEB 2015, and didn't launch until AUG 18, three and a half years later. By the time it launched it's genera was mostly winding down!

    Yea its ridiculous, especially for stuff like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.


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