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Varik

Of things I don't want to google this would be one, but from the look of it the UK at 16 is on the high side of normal and Ireland is an outlier.

Shiminay

Can we all maybe agree that a defence of "but the age of consent is lower there than here" doesn't excuse the desire to watch a depiction of minors engaged in sexual activity as creepy?

I'm not one for censoring art of any kind (and I will go to bat for the argument that games are just as valid an art-form as any other consumable mass media), but I question the motives and reasoning behind any people demanding to see this sort of content and I sure as sht reserve the right to say "I think you're a fking creepy git and I would be afraid to let you near children unsupervised."

J. Marston

Yeah, it's weird. Argue ages of consent and whatever but almost every one of those games has the girls looking very, very young.

Excuses like "But she's actually an 800 year witch!" are a flimsy defence at best.

Kirby

J. Marston wrote: »

Excuses like "But she's actually an 800 year witch!" are a flimsy defence at best.

Comments like that just make me laugh and think back to Final Fight.


Capcom Designer A - "Guys we aren't going to get certification in America if our main characters are beating up these women. So we are going to have to redesign and reanimate those particular models.

Capcom Designer B - "Screw that, we'll just say they are trans."

Capcom Designer A - "Genius!"


They ended up having to do it anyway because that excuse didn't fly....understandably as its ridiculous.

Gbear

Kirby wrote: »

Comments like that just make me laugh and think back to Final Fight.


Capcom Designer A - "Guys we aren't going to get certification in America if our main characters are beating up these women. So we are going to have to redesign and reanimate those particular models.

Capcom Designer B - "Screw that, we'll just say they are trans."

Capcom Designer A - "Genius!"


They ended up having to do it anyway because that excuse didn't fly....understandably as its ridiculous.

Reminds me of that famous clip of a male-female trans person getting surgery done, and they only start blurring out their nipples after they've had breast implants inserted.

There's a certain kind of daft futility to these sorts of top-down approaches to policing content.

Evade

gizmo wrote: »

Wasn't the problem with Senran Kagura and Omega Labyrinth Z specifically, that the characters are explicitly said to be in high school...even if it's a high school for ninjas in the former case?

So were the character in Porky's, American Pie, etc. Even the currently airing Senran Kagura anime is available uncensored. The only difference is the games are interactive which is bad for some reason.

EDIT: And before anyone trots out it promotes or encourages that sort of behaviour in real life that's the same line of reasoning used against violence in videogames. Either they both do or neither do. And because it has to be said, I don't play these games but I see them as the canary in the coal mine for other adult content like language violence, and so on.

gizmo

Evade wrote: »

So were the character in Porky's, American Pie, etc. Even the currently airing Senran Kagura anime is available uncensored. The only difference is the games are interactive which is bad for some reason.

EDIT: And before anyone trots out it promotes or encourages that sort of behaviour in real life that's the same line of reasoning used against violence in videogames. Either they both do or neither do. And because it has to be said, I don't play these games but I see them as the canary in the coal mine for other adult content like language violence, and so on.

Like I said in that same post, I'm looking at this from the ratings board perspective and Senran Kagura was rated by the respective agencies which, aside from the fact it wasn't even PEGI 18, makes Sony's move appear to be more of an optics thing.

K.O.Kiki

Varik wrote: »

Of things I don't want to google this would be one, but from the look of it the UK at 16 is on the high side of normal and Ireland is an outlier.

It's not like I know this information off-hand; I just looked it up in Wikipedia.
Ain't nothing wrong with knowing what your own children can be put in jail for.

Shiminay wrote: »

Can we all maybe agree that a defence of "but the age of consent is lower there than here" doesn't excuse the desire to watch a depiction of minors engaged in sexual activity as creepy?

I'm not one for censoring art of any kind (and I will go to bat for the argument that games are just as valid an art-form as any other consumable mass media), but I question the motives and reasoning behind any people demanding to see this sort of content and I sure as sht reserve the right to say "I think you're a fking creepy git and I would be afraid to let you near children unsupervised."

To quote an old adage, "2D is not 3D".
I can view even loli stuff because I know it's not real. The thought that there are actual pedophiles out there makes me sick to my stomach. They are not the same things.

Your argument that it's about "watching minors engaging in sexual activity" is a strawman; Japan censors sexual stuff harder than we do (mosaic blurring of genitals in even regular porn).
And it's ignoring that, again, "age of consent" matters here in regards to understanding how the content is viewed in its country of production - to think that teenagers don't engage in sexual activity is myopic.
So if the story is about a 17yo protagonist, having him explore sex makes sense.
(Disclaimer: I don't have the time to look into what Senran Kagura's content is just yet)

J. Marston wrote: »

Yeah, it's weird. Argue ages of consent and whatever but almost every one of those games has the girls looking very, very young.

Excuses like "But she's actually an 800 year witch!" are a flimsy defence at best.

There's plenty of women who are very young-looking, simply because they're short / petite. Would you label their boyfriends/husbands creeps simply because their partner doesn't conform to your view of women's bodies?

Kirby wrote: »

Comments like that just make me laugh and think back to Final Fight.

• Capcom Designer A - "Guys we aren't going to get certification in America if our main characters are beating up these women. So we are going to have to redesign and reanimate those particular models.
• Capcom Designer B - "Screw that, we'll just say they are trans."
• Capcom Designer A - "Genius!"

They ended up having to do it anyway because that excuse didn't fly....understandably as its ridiculous.

Poison in Final Fight was described as a "Newhalf" (shemale) from the very first design document.
They never "changed her gender", she was designed with this character trait before a single sprite was pixelated.
It's Capcom USA who removed Poison/Roxy & replaced them with different, male characters.

mario54324

Picked up the last Gamesmaster today. Sad to see it go.

Kirby

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Poison in Final Fight was described as a "Newhalf" (shemale) from the very first design document.
They never "changed her gender", she was designed with this character trait before a single sprite was pixelated.

None of that is actually true. It was a story made up after the fact. Every quote from the developers came well after the game was made. There is no interview you can find of them saying "We are putting a trans character in Final Fight." because it simply wasn't true. It was all retconned after the fact for various reasons.

K.O.Kiki

Kirby wrote: »

None of that is actually true. It was a story made up after the fact. Every quote from the developers came well after the game was made. There is no interview you can find of them saying "We are putting a trans character in Final Fight." because it simply wasn't true. It was all retconned after the fact for various reasons.

This is the original concept art, presented in Capcom Classics Collection.

The characters are designated ニューハーフ (newhalf).

Kirby

Yeah I've seen that one before. Like I said, none of that stuff was ever seen until years later. It's a good story but it doesn't make sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APoison_(Final_Fight)

This article deals well with the absurdity of the whole thing.

K.O.Kiki

Kirby wrote: »

Yeah I've seen that one before. Like I said, none of that stuff was ever seen until years later. It's a good story but it doesn't make sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APoison_(Final_Fight)

This article deals well with the absurdity of the whole thing.

The only confusion happened because Yoshinori Ono (who didn't even work at Capcom until 10 years after Final Fight) said some confusing stuff about her gender in an interview in 2013.

Capcom fans have known she had a penis since forever.
It just became one of those things only the hardcore know about; a bit of trivia to brandish in internet discussions (like this one! :pac: )

Sonics2k

And moving swiftly back in to actual gaming news.

Blizzard has announced a remaster of Warcraft III, probably my absolute favourite RTS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJWuMwz31qE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zfx5hQ3CE

Kiith

They've also massively pissed off pretty much everyone by announcing the next Diablo game will be a mobile only online game. They were booed offstage at Blizzcon...which i didn't think was possible until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2-WW1skOM

Sonics2k

Kiith wrote: »

They've also massively pissed off pretty much everyone by announcing the next Diablo game will be a mobile only online game. They were booed offstage at Blizzcon...which i didn't think was possible until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2-WW1skOM

Yup, kinda dropped the ball on that one. No idea why they went for that, didn't Elder Scrolls: Blades get slammed over that?

Kiith

Kiith wrote: »

They've also massively pissed off pretty much everyone by announcing the next Diablo game will be a mobile only online game. They were booed offstage at Blizzcon...which i didn't think was possible until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2-WW1skOM

This and Fallout 76 launching will guarantee me plenty of entertainment for a while I think.

Kiith

Kiith wrote: »

They were booed offstage at Blizzcon...which i didn't think was possible until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50KBNQe5hTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50KBNQe5hTM

"Do you guys not have phones?"

:eek:

nix

Hardly call that boo'd off stage

Kiith

That's boo'd for a Blizzcon. Pretty much impossible to get boo'd from those fans.

dreamers75

Siege players are outraged the game is being changed to appease Asian censorship rules.

Things being changed:

A neon sign in one map.
The icon for when you knife someone.
Slot machines from one map.
A logo on one map.
(all on the same map)


Thats it, nothing in the gameplay is changing only those 4 things. And the players are outraged some have uninstalled the game, written an internet post saying they are never going to play it again, changed a steam review to negative.

EoinHef

dreamers75 wrote: »

Siege players are outraged the game is being changed to appease Asian censorship rules.

Things being changed:

A neon sign in one map.
The icon for when you knife someone.
Slot machines from one map.
A logo on one map.
(all on the same map)


Thats it, nothing in the gameplay is changing only those 4 things. And the players are outraged some have uninstalled the game, written an internet post saying they are never going to play it again, changed a steam review to negative.

Have to ask,why do you care so much what people on the internet do when it doesnt affect you?

I mean you come accross as annoyed about them as they are about the changes.

kunst nugget

EoinHef wrote: »

I mean you come accross as annoyed about them as they are about the changes.

Does he? I must admit I'm not really seeing it from his post myself.

dreamers75

EoinHef wrote: »

Have to ask,why do you care so much what people on the internet do when it doesnt affect you?

I mean you come accross as annoyed about them as they are about the changes.

I am not bothered in the slightest, this is the gaming news thread I posted news about this weeks gaming faux outrage.

Tbh the graffiti thing they are changing i have never even noticed it, played that map hundreds of times and had no clue it was there.

EoinHef

kunst nugget wrote: »

Does he? I must admit I'm not really seeing it from his post myself.

Just seems to be a consistent theme with some posters,thats all.

I just find it pointless.

An article on mashable today for example had the author being outraged at the outrage around the diablo announcement at blizzcon!

EoinHef

dreamers75 wrote: »

I am not bothered in the slightest, this is the gaming news thread I posted news about this weeks gaming faux outrage.

Tbh the graffiti thing they are changing i have never even noticed it, played that map hundreds of times and had no clue it was there.

Fair enough,i read into the sarcastic tone a bit too much maybe.

Robert ninja

Shiminay wrote: »

I'm not one for censoring art of any kind (and I will go to bat for the argument that games are just as valid an art-form as any other consumable mass media), but

And there's the but.

Shiminay wrote: »

demanding to see this sort of content and I sure as sht reserve the right to say "I think you're a fking creepy git and I would be afraid to let you near children unsupervised."

Sure ya do. You have the right to say that to anyone for any reason you find creepy. I think not being able to separate reality from fiction and people getting into more of a huff over drawn art from japan rather than real problems dangerously creepy and also worthy of distrust around delicate responsibilities like a child. Also replace "this sort of content" with whatever controversial content of the year and boom you've got a template for everything.

dreamers75 wrote: »

Siege players are outraged the game is being changed to appease Asian censorship rules.

I don't think you'd find many actually care about graffiti or small signs being changed (swastikas in WWII games different story perhaps)... it's the principle of the matter. Nobody wants the slippery slope of censorship or alterations due to china or other sensitivities making their way into games. Just look at the absolute state of the movie & television industry because of that as well as the lewd games from Japan getting ruined. The only power any consumer has over such large decisions and companies is through emails, reviews and social media. Can't blame people from trying to make their opinion on the matter heard in the only way they can. Leaving a steam review based on the values you have for the product is hardly a radical move and in fact seems like half the point.

People are being banned on the siege subreddit for saying that they care about this.


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As for the Diablo thing...
Game Objective did a video about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gts4K4q_128

The original trailer has been deleted and re-uploaded to reset the dislikes on it.

More evidence to prove that the investors are driving this and nothing got to do with what actual fans want

That's why you have share price drops with a Black Ops game selling 750million dollors during its launch.

The ceiling will be hit and it will crash hard

Monetisation and microtransactions again being the blight

ShadowHearth

https://kotaku.com/blizzard-says-it-wasnt-expecting-fans-to-be-this-angry-1830204721/amp

Just to continue a little bit more on whole Diablo drama.

They admitted that they knew its going to be a **** show, but did not expected how bad it will be. The only person I feel sorry about is announcer at Blizzcon. He was thrown under the bus knowingly.
So it was clear as day, that it was not a game fans and gamers wanted, but a game share holders wanted. What developer in the right mind would release a game knowing and expecting that fans will be angry about it.
Gaming industry is going really really in to a ****ter and I can't wait for it to crash. And it will crash not, because people dont play games anymore, but because all these share holders will drive it to unreachable profit expectations and then destroy it, when those are not met.

Varik

Don't know why any of them put this stuff in their main press conferences.

Same for Sony/MS/EA, FIFA and Madden sell millions but most people turning in to watch the press conferences aren't those people. Whether it's casual/mainstream doesn't know what E3 is gamers or investors they need to actually cater for those watching as that's who's going to control the response they get. Separate announcements and press releases are all you need for some of this to get news out to investors.