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[CoD Black Ops 2] News and Discussion

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭smoking_kills


    RGDATA! wrote: »
    i happened to watch that video last night - just wondering if you could explain in a bit more detail what specific things are wrong about what he's saying, because I've been trying to get my head round this.

    Do remember that Driftor talked to the devs for his info, asking the devs about their game is like like asking Sony about their tv's. What answer do you think your going to get.

    1) Yes there is latency on any network, even a LAN, however no one would ever be able to tell. The time frames are just to small, so i have no real idea why he mentioned it. Saying all game have lag is also like saying water is wet. The idea behind the net-code in gaming is to "disguise" the lag, so players don't notice.

    2) Halo and B/F both have sniper rifles, if those games lagged, it would show there, also dodging round a corner in halo and B/F you would still receive damage, and maybe not die like in Blops2.(wanted effect) So its a poor excuse, however slower game in general do hide the lag better, but there are still ways of telling if the net-code is poor.

    3) Where he talks about all the disagreements is irrelevant. COD uses an authoritative server. NOT P2P. Its the classic server/client model. Where an Xbox acts as the server. He then claims this is the source of all lag in games, again completely wrong.

    4) From about 7.00 mins he just blames the engine, and continues to do so at other points in the video. Just to clear this up. This is their engine. They own it, modified it so they can change it anytime they like. The fact that the engine is so old should work in favor of the developer, as they should know the software inside out by now. I'll come back to this later..

    5) Wrong wrong wrong. The hitboxes are not out of sync, the models are out of sync. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xNe7LuQ4OI for what that means. He then demonstrates the point himself? He dose not really under stand how it really works.

    6) the offline camera issue. I think its a FOV issue not a camera issue. However he then goes on to show and explain that blops2 has the worst issue, with cod 2 being the Best. If this was simply down to the engine, then they would all be the same. However other devs (old IW team) managed to modify the engine to resolve these issues better than 3arc.

    Conclusion....

    So he's saying that there's problems with the engine, everyone lags to some extent, lag com is rather complicated..so on and so on....But as i mentioned earlier its their engine. Respawn (the old IW team) had to write a new engine for their upcoming game. They have a very small staff compared to 3arc. So rewriting sections of the engine should be a cake walk for 3arc. Its a poor excuse, however they may not have bothered due to the next gen consoles. Instead write (or license) a new engine. Knowing full well the consequences of that decision on us games.

    last thing, first 3arc blamed the internet (a tweet from vhan). Then your connection (a post on the activision forum) now the engine. I smell something...what is that smell. :) And Driftors 2nd video on this is Facepalm central.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭deafroadrunner


    when your playing die rise and you take the elevator in the first room that u start in. u can pick up parts anyone know where they go and what they are for. cant seem to find anything online bout it


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    when your playing die rise and you take the elevator in the first room that u start in. u can pick up parts anyone know where they go and what they are for. cant seem to find anything online bout it

    they are keys to be put into the elevator to make it go up and down when you want


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭swampyk08


    If anyone interested I downloaded the new maps - better than the first batch in my opinion.

    Firing Range is back.
    Vertical is similar to Summit.
    Encore has a Stadium feel.
    Magma is average.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 280 ✭✭Yousef


    swampyk08 wrote: »
    If anyone interested I downloaded the new maps - better than the first batch in my opinion.

    Firing Range is back.
    Vertical is similar to Summit.
    Encore has a Stadium feel.
    Magma is average.

    A friend's opinion on Studio... (I've not bought it yet or played it)

    He said Studio is not like Firing Range at all. Yeah, the layout is the same but it's been layered with so much crap, it's all really distracting. I've seen a few YT vids and I agree with him although I've no first hand experience.

    For example, that tower overlooking the map in Firing Range was a pain in the arse if you had a guy camping up there. But now they've plastered a castle theme over it, it's even harder to flush people out of there...particularly if they've got all the Black Ops 2 crap like a target finder etc...

    Then you've got all the animated moving props like the spaceship down the alley or the dinosaur to contend with. In the past, the wood shack was static...anyone moving around on top could be easily identifiable....but now the colour palette throws your eyes off....the same with that made white room....it's really blinding....or the small city like setup beside the respawn...how can you concentrate on the enemy with these eye grabbers?

    He said if they just left it the way it originally was it would be better and I tend to agree with him. Again,I've no played it yet. But IMO it doesn't look or play like Firing Range in BO1. It, like Nuketown, is not a map suited to BLOPS2.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Creasy_bear


    Yousef wrote: »
    A friend's opinion on Studio... (I've not bought it yet or played it)

    He said Studio is not like Firing Range at all. Yeah, the layout is the same but it's been layered with so much crap, it's all really distracting. I've seen a few YT vids and I agree with him although I've no first hand experience.

    For example, that tower overlooking the map in Firing Range was a pain in the arse if you had a guy camping up there. But now they've plastered a castle theme over it, it's even harder to flush people out of there...particularly if they've got all the Black Ops 2 crap like a target finder etc...

    Then you've got all the animated moving props like the spaceship down the alley or the dinosaur to contend with. In the past, the wood shack was static...anyone moving around on top could be easily identifiable....but now the colour palette throws your eyes off....the same with that made white room....it's really blinding....or the small city like setup beside the respawn...how can you concentrate on the enemy with these eye grabbers?

    He said if they just left it the way it originally was it would be better and I tend to agree with him. Again,I've no played it yet. But IMO it doesn't look or play like Firing Range in BO1. It, like Nuketown, is not a map suited to BLOPS2.

    I've played it a couple of times and I'd have to agree. I'm finding it hard to pick people out on certain parts of the map.


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭swampyk08


    I agree about Studio - very distracting and takes away from the great map design.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    What are they like compared to the original maps? I really like hijacked, slums, standoff and raid but that's about it


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭deafroadrunner


    whats mob of the dead like


  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭BGozIE


    Encore and magma are not great at all, IMHO..

    The more maps you have the better though, as everything is far less repetitive in the long run


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Rather play 4/5 good maps over and over as you do in league than play the entire set if most of them are awful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    AdamD wrote: »
    Rather play 4/5 good maps over and over as you do in league than play the entire set if most of them are awful

    Definitely!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    What are they like compared to the original maps? I really like hijacked, slums, standoff and raid but that's about it

    Did you get the first map pack? On that id say grind,hydro and downhill are very good,mirage is only fair imo.

    I haven't had a chance to play the new maps much, but my initial impressions would be that encore, is very good, vertigo and studio are good and magma is brutal - as bad as aftermath or turbine.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 6,331 Mod ✭✭✭✭PerrinV2


    Right so the bro has the season pass and has the maps downloaded to his xbox.
    Now previously we used to both use the same xbox,so when I downloaded maps for MW2 or black ops we both could access/play them.
    So in this case if I were to download his profile to my xbox and then copy over the pass and maps packs would I still be able to access them?
    Or maybe I should re-download them as opposed to copying them


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Did you get the first map pack? On that id say grind,hydro and downhill are very good,mirage is only fair imo.

    I haven't had a chance to play the new maps much, but my initial impressions would be that encore, is very good, vertigo and studio are good and magma is brutal - as bad as aftermath or turbine.

    Downhill is trash. The rest are good. Mirage can be good if you hug the edge


  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭Seridisand


    miralize wrote: »
    Downhill is trash. The rest are good. Mirage can be good if you hug the edge

    Hug the edge? So you mean hide at the back of the map?:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Seridisand wrote: »
    Hug the edge? So you mean hide at the back of the map?:P
    why do people assume I camp? Thats twice in a week now :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    i hate downhill also. the skate park is great. one of the best maps ive played in the past few call of dutys. simple design


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Finical


    Does anyone know if I buy black ops 2 off a friend, but I also purchase a season pass would I get the nuketown map? Heard only people who pre ordered the game got it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987


    Finical wrote: »
    Does anyone know if I buy black ops 2 off a friend, but I also purchase a season pass would I get the nuketown map? Heard only people who pre ordered the game got it.

    Nuketown has been released for everyone to play . You could only play it in Chaos Moshpit but its now in standard rotation .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Finical


    Nuketown has been released for everyone to play . You could only play it in Chaos Moshpit but its now in standard rotation .

    Brilliant, thanks a lot!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭smileyj1987




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Nuketown on BLOPS2 doesn't have the same appeal to me as it did in BLOPS1, kinda like terminal on MW2 and MW3, just not the same :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Randall Floyd


    Nuketown on BLOPS2 doesn't have the same appeal to me as it did in BLOPS1, kinda like terminal on MW2 and MW3, just not the same :(

    It was crap in Black Ops too. *runs for cover*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    It was crap in Black Ops too. *runs for cover*

    Ah I loved it on BLOPs1. Demo was probably my favorite game type on it but they ruined that as well :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Randall Floyd


    Ah I loved it on BLOPs1. Demo was probably my favorite game type on it but they ruined that as well :(

    Demo is a nightmare on nuketown in black ops 2, the spawns give me panic attacks lol.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 280 ✭✭Yousef


    Nuketown on BLOPS2 doesn't have the same appeal to me as it did in BLOPS1, kinda like terminal on MW2 and MW3, just not the same :(

    Yep. Nuketown and Firing Range are just two maps that, while best suited to a game like BO1, are somewhat out of place in BLOPS2. I think the reason for this is that, although BO1 had some crazy crap in it that subtracted from the game, overall I think more highly of it than BLOPS2. BLOPS2 has the target finder and these hunter killer drones etc. I mean, if you thought the RC-XD was bad in BO1, at least you had to manually control it. But with these "flying RC-XD's", all a noob can do is pick up a couple of kills and throw it up...that's the end of a high killstreak right there. It's not right...

    There are other frustrations I have with this game. Recently, I've gone back to that game that we dare not speak it's name....yeah, that one. And I've been giggling like a school girl! It's easy to go from COD to that game, but it's not easy to play that game for any significant amount of time and then put COD into your drive. COD just looks more "cartoony". And IMO, the age demographics couldn't be more different. I can't speak of what it's like on console but on the PC, I see more people in their late 20's/early 30's playing it. Contrast that with COD where all the teenagers spend their time. I could be wrong but it's just what I've come across. Even two years on and I think the other game is as playable as it was when it was released. MW3 on the other hand is dead and BLOPS2 is wearing thin. Hell, I've not even got the patience to go and download the new maps. Says a lot...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Yousef wrote: »
    Yep. Nuketown and Firing Range are just two maps that, while best suited to a game like BO1, are somewhat out of place in BLOPS2. I think the reason for this is that, although BO1 had some crazy crap in it that subtracted from the game, overall I think more highly of it than BLOPS2. BLOPS2 has the target finder and these hunter killer drones etc. I mean, if you thought the RC-XD was bad in BO1, at least you had to manually control it. But with these "flying RC-XD's", all a noob can do is pick up a couple of kills and throw it up...that's the end of a high killstreak right there. It's not right...

    There are other frustrations I have with this game. Recently, I've gone back to that game that we dare not speak it's name....yeah, that one. And I've been giggling like a school girl! It's easy to go from COD to that game, but it's not easy to play that game for any significant amount of time and then put COD into your drive. COD just looks more "cartoony". And IMO, the age demographics couldn't be more different. I can't speak of what it's like on console but on the PC, I see more people in their late 20's/early 30's playing it. Contrast that with COD where all the teenagers spend their time. I could be wrong but it's just what I've come across. Even two years on and I think the other game is as playable as it was when it was released. MW3 on the other hand is dead and BLOPS2 is wearing thin. Hell, I've not even got the patience to go and download the new maps. Says a lot...

    I wouldn't agree with you there. While I did stop playing it for a while, just this week a few of us went back to it and it was great craic and I think, overall, I'd prefer it to BLOPs2. No problems finding a game and no serious connection issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,480 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Is it just me but do any of you find that BLOPS 2 playing better over the last week or so. I seem to be getting on a lot better even won a couple FFA and putting together a few streaks.

    I have changed my style though getting great results with the LSAT with Target Finder, Stock, (and or FMJ, QD handle). Using the stock has been a revelation to me.

    Also from what I have played the new maps are good, although I seem to get the the studio map about 80% of the time.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Is it just me but do any of you find that BLOPS 2 playing better over the last week or so. I seem to be getting on a lot better even won a couple FFA and putting together a few streaks.

    I have changed my style though getting great results with the LSAT with Target Finder, Stock, (and or FMJ, QD handle). Using the stock has been a revelation to me.

    Also from what I have played the new maps are good, although I seem to get the the studio map about 80% of the time.

    im the opposite. ive been playing ****e the past week or so :(


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