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[CoD Black Ops 2] News and Discussion
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hooradiation wrote: »I was kind of hoping you weren't relying on that video. Because it's moronic.
You got some cherry picked animations and what? They should simply redo them all from scratch? For what reason? Are they broken? Is there something wrong with them?
You're moving into denial territory now. Nothing in that video is 'cherry picked', he goes through ten minutes of footage showcasing how weapon models and reloading animations haven't changed at all since 2007. I suppose using your logic, nothing should ever be changed or replaced in any game ever because it requires the least amount of effort from a development point of view. If it ain't broken, don't fix it! Activision's mantra above all else. Why do you think Guitar Hero was run into the ground? This series is suffering the same fate.hooradiation wrote: »Hell there's an entire section of the zoom function being show- I have no idea what anyone thinks that demonstrates. How many different goddamn ways do you think this can be done?
I think the author of the video was just demonstrating that everything on the weapon models hasn't changed at all along with the iron sights, it wasn't really to prove some intricate point like you seem to be assuming.hooradiation wrote: »Also, I'm wondering where in your much vaunted video half this copy & pasting is being demonstrated, so far we have the sane reuse of weapon assets. Where's everything else you claimed was wrong?
Weapon models, reload animations, UI, HUD and sound. All copy pasted. I didn't say everything else I claimed was wrong was contained in that one video, we'd need an entire showcase for that. But these two videos are more than enough.hooradiation wrote: »Yup. You have no goddamn clue, amply demonstrated by your continued insistence that sane software development is a bad thing and that assets need to be replaced for the sake of it.
You call it 'sane software development', I call it 'lazy "charging €60 for glorified map packs" development'. And assets should be replaced merely for the fact that the developers so desperately try to showcase each iteration as NOT copy and paste and a completely new experience, yet they're just reusing everything. This is still fine in your book though. The way you go on, you'd almost think you were on the development team with them.hooradiation wrote: »Well, I don't see anyone from treyarch or IW telling you how to do your job that they don't understand in the slightest.
hooradiation wrote: »So, yeah. <more condescension here>
Yeah.... you keep right on thinking that.
I'm not really dreaming up everything I've seen in the videos and gameplay, so I don't need to keep 'thinking' anything, I know. Anyone would. It'll be interesting to see how you condescend your way out of this post and the two videos within it.0 -
And herein lies the problem, after watching those videos, despite the varied resolutions, I can see updated weapons models, different graphical effects and a combination of rather similar looking but also tweaked animations in a bunch of places. The character controller which determines the player movement and the animations do look rather similar and the truck and chickens in the second vid posted is obviously the same.
With regard to weapon models though, a more definitive test would be some high resolution screen grabs of each one for a proper side by side comparison. As it stands though, I'm quite shocked people are trying to claim they haven't changed at all. Seriously like, forward to 1:36 in the second video and pause it. All of the models on screen are either different or have been heavily updated with a higher polycount and the textures are vastly improved.
On that note though, if CoD A has a FAMAS and CoD B has a FAMAS then why wouldn't the modeller and animator take the work they had done for CoD A and tweak it to either add further detail for CoD B. They're going to be the same gun at the end of the day so what's the issue? Are people saying the FAMAS should be completely remodelled from scratch for CoD B? Are they saying it should be removed? Or are they saying that let it make a comeback in tweaked form but also include new weapons to make the experience better. So, since I haven't played the last two entries in the series, how many new guns have been added to the last games?0 -
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And herein lies the problem, after watching those videos, despite the varied resolutions, I can see updated weapons models, different graphical effects and a combination of rather similar looking but also tweaked animations in a bunch of places. The character controller which determines the player movement and the animations do look rather similar and the truck and chickens in the second vid posted is obviously the same.
In the first video, some of the weapons vary slightly but they virtually all function the same. The animations aren't 'tweaked' and I can't notice any 'different graphical effects'. If you're referring to the fact that the player isn't standing in the same map in both games, then of course it looks different. It sure as hell doesn't look updated though. The flatscreen TV showing a fuzzy news report, the table with the chickens, the moving truck, the pick-up truck, the exact way the chicken animates inside the cage, the building from a multiplayer CoD4 map, the computer monitors, the playground set: all identical.With regard to weapon models though, a more definitive test would be some high resolution screen grabs of each one for a proper side by side comparison. As it stands though, I'm quite shocked people are trying to claim they haven't changed at all. Seriously like, forward to 1:36 in the second video and pause it. All of the models on screen are either different or have been heavily updated with a higher polycount and the textures are vastly improved.
I think you're going a bit too far with 'vastly improved'. The weapons still feel, fire, reload and sound exactly the same as they always have. The character models at 1:36 differ but not really by a lot, the concept is the same.On that note though, if CoD A has a FAMAS and CoD B has a FAMAS then why wouldn't the modeller and animator take the work they had done for CoD A and tweak it to either add further detail for CoD B. They're going to be the same gun at the end of the day so what's the issue? Are people saying the FAMAS should be completely remodelled from scratch for CoD B? Are they saying it should be removed? Or are they saying that let it make a comeback in tweaked form but also include new weapons to make the experience better. So, since I haven't played the last two entries in the series, how many new guns have been added to the last games?
Look at the first video again and it'll tell you how much variation as regards new weapons there's been in the series. If you look up a weapon list somewhere I'm sure it'll tell you. As for the whole CoD A and CoD B thing with a specific weapon; if you're going to copy and paste weapon sounds and reloading animations along with pretty much all of the model, don't try and pass it off in an interview later on saying you didn't. That's the mistake that eejit at Sledgehammer made in the link I posted earlier.0 -
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Of course they function the same, they're the same gun. Were they functioning incorrectly in previous versions and so needed to change? Should they be changed just for the sake of it in the new version?Twilightning wrote: »In the first video, some of the weapons vary slightly but they virtually all function the same.
Well this was my point, just because you can't see the differences doesn't mean they're not there. While I'm not an animator I can still see them quite clearly. The second video is also a better reference as when viewed in 720p (insert joke about the game not even running at full 720pTwilightning wrote: »The animations aren't 'tweaked' and I can't notice any 'different graphical effects'.
) the differences are far more obvious.
Yup, can't complain here. It's blatant reuse of assets. They're not exactly game ruining though, are they?Twilightning wrote: »If you're referring to the fact that the player isn't standing in the same map in both games, then of course it looks different. It sure as hell doesn't look updated though. The flatscreen TV showing a fuzzy news report, the table with the chickens, the moving truck, the pick-up truck, the exact way the chicken animates inside the cage, the building from a multiplayer CoD4 map, the computer monitors, the playground set: all identical.
Same point as above with the feel of the guns but if you really can't see the difference in the models at 1:36 then the problem certainly isn't with CoD. As for the character model, the base model is most certainly the same but it has been tweaked in the sense that the polycount is obviously higher, the textures are higher res and the additional props on the character such as the googles have been completely remodelled based on, I assume, real life examples.Twilightning wrote: »I think you're going a bit too far with 'vastly improved'. The weapons still feel, fire, reload and sound exactly the same as they always have. The character models at 1:36 differ but not really by a lot, the concept is the same.
Well the guns chosen were the same to show the similarities to them so it's not the best indicator. I'll have a look around for the weapon lists later though and see what new ones have been added.Twilightning wrote: »Look at the first video again and it'll tell you how much variation as regards new weapons there's been in the series. If you look up a weapon list somewhere I'm sure it'll tell you.
Well to summarise, they weren't copy and pasted, that implies they were exactly the same, which I've pointed out they're not, so the Sledgehammer guy was completely correct. Also, I'd say he was more irate about it because his team have probably been working flat out to get the latest game out. I'm quote sure if you read up on the court papers on the whole West/Zampalla/EA/Activision suit you'll see cases where staff were working extremely long hours to get the game out the door. Folk generally don't tend to do that if the game is just as simple as a copy and paste job.Twilightning wrote: »As for the whole CoD A and CoD B thing with a specific weapon; if you're going to copy and paste weapon sounds and reloading animations along with pretty much all of the model, don't try and pass it off in an interview later on saying you didn't. That's the mistake that eejit at Sledgehammer made in the link I posted earlier.0 -
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minidazzler wrote: »The trailer isn't that great, the interview with the head of 3arc is giving me a lot of hope though.
I never really got into Zombies because I never played with anyone else, but I think with a boards party it could be amazing.
Many a night, and on into the morning
, spent playin zombies!! It was great craic, especially in a full party!! 0 -
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they pure took the horse riding bit from uncharted 3...
After the dislike I had for Modern Warfare 2 I haven't bought a CoD game since.
They had the perfect formula with CoD4 but got greedy and remade the same game but with added perks over and over again
I most likely will not be buying this game, the shooter I'm looking forward to most this year is Borderlands 2
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Well we're clearly taking different meanings from it. Given the fact that he references character and weapon models and new graphical effects I'd consider he was referring to the game as a whole rather than "nothing is done that way". If he did mean that however, then he is obviously clearly wrong.Twilightning wrote: »He infers that anybody using the term 'cut and paste' ANYWHERE in a description of Modern Warfare 3 doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and that he'd just rather not talk to anybody who has that opinion. If he's taking such a strongly worded stance against people who'd describe his game as such, then it's only natural to assume he's pretty much saying "We don't cut and paste things in our games and if you do say that, you have no clue what you're on about and I'd rather not talk to you." If he really accepted there was cutting/copying/pasting, then he'd have no reason to come out with a line like that.
So I take it you're going to insist that all of the things shown in that video are the same then?Twilightning wrote: »Also, saying the props are the only things that are copied is blatantly wrong. Without resorting to "But it's not broken" or "What's wrong with bringing them over from game to game", everything about the weapons, animations, sounds and HUD have been cut and pasted from previous games. There's ten minutes of footage clearly showcasing this. 0 -
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Totally agree. But at the same time the people who, for whatever reason, pump god knows how many hours into each iteration will. Which is, I assume, the reason they they have no problem coughing up for the next iteration each year while the rest of us look on in utter bafflement.Twilightning wrote: »Every little thing isn't the same but if you showed that video to somebody who wasn't too familiar with the series, I'd be inclined to say they wouldn't see much of a difference. 0 -
Thomasheen wrote: »Noice, zombies is always fun. Gets a bit boring and repetitive after awhile though so I hope they have some big changes to keep me interested
They said there's some big changes coming - "most ambitious zombie mode yet". I'd bet there will be some kind of story mode/zombie campaign in addition to the normal survival that we all know and love. Something along the lines of Left4Dead - has anyone seen the mod where these guys put the Nacht Der Noten map inside the L4D2 engine?!? Total chaos! Looked fun as hell! 0 -
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