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looking to buy a boat 5,000
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Hi Ned, lots of good boats about at the moment at a good price so just take your time and look around.
Here is one that looks clean and may have a service record that you can check.
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/boats/2218853
If you are new to boats it might be best to go to a dealer and see if you can get one with a warranty, as it's a buyers market they will do anything to make a sale
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The warrior and raider type boats are deep v hulls making them good and safe for open water but not the best for skiing they will hold their money better as there is a lot of die hard fisherman that like them.
The bowrider type boats are a good family and all round fun boat that you could tuck away a few fishing rods onboard for inshore fishing. These are leisure boats and as people don't have as much money to spend on leisure items anymore they may be harder to sell.
Like searay said all boats need to be winterised so rather than looking for a name like yamaha look for an engine that was well looked after, some people swear by honda and some by mercury it's just a mater of taste. My engine is 40 years old and lives outside and is still going strong
If you have €5000, spend €4000 on the boat and use the other to cover insurance, and a full service of the boat,engine, trailer, life jackets and so on.
Boats can suck you dry and like gambling you may lose your money and be left with a lump of fiberglass in your driveway so if this study money is important to you don't risk it all on a boat and expect to get it back in 3 years. I don't want to put you off boating as I love it but just want to let you know that they are like kids with there hands in your pockets
P.S just to get a clearer picture will this be your first boat or do you have any experience with speedboats.
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The bit in bold would worry me, I'm not sure there is such a boat at the moment. I'm seeing perfectly nice boats being advertised season after season with no buyers evidently. But there are some real bargains out there and if you can afford to put €5k into a boat and not need it back quickly then go for it.
I'd second this. I don't know so much about motorboats - I'm a sailor - but there are winning, well-kitted boats that would've been snapped up in previous years that can't be given away (almost literally) at the moment. And these are on the small/cheaper end of the budget scale, not Lotto-winning monsters.
If you think you'll NEED the money back in the next year or two, I wouldn't be sinking it into a boat - in the current market I think you'd need to be prepared to write that money off unless you were really, really lucky. But as others have said, there's some right bargains to be had out there at the moment for that very reason, so if you can spare the money look around and haggle!
Sorry not to have any constructive advice on an actual boat, but I was just a bit concerned on the assumptions you were making about re-selling. And boats are expensive habits, whatever way you go about it.
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Insurance will depend on
1) What courses you have done "powerboat level 1-2, VHF and navigation.
2) What experience do you have with boats.
3) What HP is the boat and what is it's top speed.
4) Will you be water skiing, they will load you for this but you must tell them.
5) Will it be kept on a swing mooring at home or in a marina.
6) Where will you be using it "inland or inshore coastal cruising.
7) How much you wish to insure it for along with backup motor and electronics.
I'm sure there are a few more but will give you an idea
Engine service can be anything from a few €100 up. If you are buying a boat that you don't know anything about I would be looking at changing the impeller and gear oil on a outboard as well as a full service and on an inboard the impeller, bellows and gear oil on the outdrive and a full engine service.
The engine should be winterised by now if not you can do this yourself it's not too hard.
As for the trailer I would replace the bearings about € 40 each and grease up all the nipples.
If you do go to look at a boat bring someone that knows engines and get them to do a compression test on it to make sure that all cylinders are within 10 to 15% psi of each other. Just because an engine runs that doesn't mean it's a good runner
I don't think the second boat you posted would make a good sea boat as the sides look a bit low.
You should be ok with your 2.5 VW on most slipways depending on the type of boat you get.
You might also want to think about joining a boat club I am in this one and we are always willing to help out new boat owners with launching and getting to know their boat in a fun and safe way.http://Powerboat.iwai.ie/
You are doing the right thing by asking questions to start with so you must have some sort of head on your shoulders , keep asking till you are happy to take the next step
Best of luck.
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I think for a 3.0L the psi should be around 140 you would have to check the manual and then take into account the age and what sort of life it had, they may be running 130psi if its a bit worn or 140 if its still good and tight. It should read something like 128,132,130,133 or along those lines in and around 10% difference is ok if one or more looks very low you may have piston damage or a cracked block.
You can pick up a tester from most marine shops or motor factors they look like this with different fittings for each spark plug size.
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Any boat you buy is only worth the engine in or on it, I have no problem with inboards and have owned quite a few it's like anything else once they are looked after they can last you a lifetime. Don't be put off I always find it better to buy the boat you like that meets your needs than one you sit in wishing you had bought the other one
Another plus for the inboard is you say you will be leaving the boat outside in a housing estate, with the amount of outboard's been stolen the last few years you might have a hard time holding on to it I have seen hole transoms cut off to get at an engine :eek:
Just something else to think about
On another note here is a Boston whaler they are a good solid boat that resell well and the engine "outboard":) has only 9 hours on it.
http://www.adverts.ie/boats-accessories/fishing-boat-boston-whaler-type-walkaround/1043681
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1) View the boats,sit in them and get a feel of the space check the floor is good and stiff, clocks and switches working, steering and gearshift are smooth. On the hull look for any repair work look at the lines of the boat and make sure they are clean also any cracks or blistering that might show signs of osmosis.
2) It's up to the seller, for that sort of money he may not bother but should be able to start it up on muffs if he hasen't got muff's I would be worried that the boat was not looked after right.
3) Wait till you have made your final choice and before you hand over the money:D
4) O yea
5) Maybe leave that to the mechanic on the last one, if you are not sure what you are doing the seller may pick up on that and tell you to feck off. basic engine startup should do for now. look for good flow from the pee hole and a nice quite engine, maybe have a look at the gear oil to see if it's milky.
6) Unless you are buying from a dealer you are not going to get any guarantee even then you will be lucky, most second hand boats are "sold as seen" giving you very little comeback unless you get a good honest guy
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Don't rule out the fletchers just yet This is a nice little one with a bit of power not as flash but would meet all your needs.
http://sportboats.apolloduck.ie/display.phtml?aid=922080 -
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Well I could not find the dream boat I wanted or if I did I could not afford it so I built it. I will also be moving up to a big family boat someday so the play boats will have to go "well maybe one of them":D 0 -
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ok here we go all bases just about covered,
Boyz Toyz,
Cuddy,
7k limit
one hell of a ride:p
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/boats/2425510 :cool::P
SWEET
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You'd also need to tow a petrol tanker behind that Baja... There's probably a few reasons it's been for sale for so long. I think Fergal's last boat link looks the best.
Yeah n the link above ther is a bayliner 30 foot 6 berth cruiser which says "capable of 30 knots" ( which probably means the same as perfect condition road tested on their private track does for new cars) for 13k sterling. But it will cruise in the mid 20 knots. It has two 150 HP engines. So I looked up consumption hard to find buy I reckon about 18 litres an hour times two that is 36 litres @ 1.50 =54 Euro to get 20 odd miles. or €270 per hundred miles Yes you can get to say Brest France in 20 hours but it will cost you over 1000 euro in fuel.
Which is why people get cruising yachts and do 5 to 7 knots and take three to four days at a cost of maybe a fiver to 50 euros in fuel if they were using the engine a fair bit. ( well about 1.5 liters/hr for four knots or 7.5 l or about to get 20 odd miles or €55 a hundred miles.
Anyway didn't the OP say he only wanted to plod along at maybe 6 knots?0 -
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Yep you can do a compression test, make sure the power disconnected at the distributor and the plug leads don't get mixed up
Check the power tilt/trim, gearshift and gear oil, engine oil if it is milky there could be water getting in.
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