Tesco Rip-off prices

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

But not so much with Dunnes since they haven't invested heavily in IT systems like Tesco. Dunnes are more forthcoming with their prices. So I don't see where ''all supermarkets'' are in on this. They're not.

Nobody wants big brand names in Lidl as evidenced by the fact they hardly sell - they rarely move from the shelf. Lidl are wasting shelf space stocking them and the austerity measures will force people to move away from big brands anyway. That increases the demand for European goods that work out nicer, cheaper and more popular once adopted.

With unpublished figures and Dunnes being a private company, the figure for their IT expenditure must be hard to find. It's naive to assume that all supermarkets aren't there to cream the consumer.

If Aldi/Lidl thought that there was no need for big brand items on their shelves, they wouldn't have them. They must know something that you don't.

Solair

I think people are making the erroneous assumption that Aldi and Lidl stock continental products. Their range in Ireland is similar to their range in the UK, it's not really at all like their range in Germany or France.

A lot of their fresh products are sourced in Ireland and a lot of their processed food items seem to be British.

If anything, very little of what those stores carry is German, other than a few cured meats, some of the chocolates and some of the items of household goods.

Some of the household goods seem to be made by the usual own-brand manufactures e.g. ProPak and McBride, who contract manufacture for lots of people.

So, all in all, I don't really think the experience in an Irish branch of Aldi or Lidl is particularly continental at all.

The big difference is that the prices on a lot of the Aldi products are similar to Tesco's Value range but the quality of them is a LOT better (usually).


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To compare Ireland with France and the UK:

Supermarket chains:

UK (Mainstream)

Tesco
Sainsbury's
Morrisons
ASDA
Co-operative
Waitrose
& smaller chains, symbol groups and niche players.

France:

Auchan
Carrefour
Géant / Casino
Monoprix
Intermarché
Cora
Super U / Hyper U
E. Leclerc
& many more brands owned by the above groups too and also some smaller chains and symbol groups and niche players.

Those countries also have Lidl, Aldi, Netto and other discounters! So, in comparison the level of competition in Ireland is pathetically bad. We are being royally ripped off by what amounts to a duopoly with a few niche players along side.
Any of the supermarkets above are full mainstream and have the full range of products that you'd expect in Dunnes/Tesco here.

Bluetonic

Bluetonic wrote: »

I really doubt that.

It's simply not true.

Afraid you are wrong. Have seen many a payslip. Most are gone now though, many taking in excess of 100k in redundancy.

Feargal Quinn was a joke. read this and see what the unions were asking for!!
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/5300-workers-may-be-hit-in-superquinn-butchers-row-291656.html

wmpdd3

Originally Posted by Skopzz
People should be willing to move away from big brand names.

Over 35% of sales in Tesco grocery come from own brand.

To say that a retailer like Lidl is 'wasting space' by stocking brand names is a joke. NO retailer wastes space like that, ask any producer trying to get their stock on the shelves of the big 4. At most they get 6 weeks trial, have to cover all waste and if it doesn't meet the required return per shelf facing, its discontinued.

I have noticed prices rising in Tesco, esp baby items but after checking, Dunnes and SuperQuinn have also increased the same items.

I completely ignore 'price cut / drop / roll back etc'.

I do most of my shopping online so I have receipts in my e-mail folder for the last 3 years and so know the prices.

maxer68

Skopzz wrote: »

Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. .

DELL is NOT the type of manufacturing we want in Ireland. With all respect to anyone who worked there - it was a "lego" operation. It was unskilled for the main and as far back as 1999 a site in Poland was earmarked for the transfer of production. (I saw it myself - near to Lublin!!)

Everyone in the factory knew it and the only surprise was that the move didn't happen sooner. And the reason it didn't happen sooner was because unions in Poland held work up.

Pharma companies on the other hand continue to increase their investment in Ireland. Billions of euro have been invested in specialist manufacturing units and when some become obsolete due to patents running out or due to mergers, there's a queue of other companies waiting to take on the spare capacity. (aka Wyeth/Pfizer merger)

Skopzz - as many have said, you have zilch knowledge of finance & economics. And then you BS on the threads. That's why you don't have a job. BS if obvious to even the smallest emloyer.

keithclancy

Solair wrote: »

I think people are making the erroneous assumption that Aldi and Lidl stock continental products. Their range in Ireland is similar to their range in the UK, it's not really at all like their range in Germany or France.

Most of the stuff in the Dutch Aldi/Lidl is the very same as in Ireland, except some local foods, Cheddar Cheese, Sausages, rashers that sort of thing.

I think Aldi/Lidl usually stock from local suppliers where possible.

In Germany there are two Aldi's, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud (Which is the one thats in Ireland)

In Holland Albert Heijn is the biggest retailer, followed by Jumbo/C1000 (which we usually go to)

Then Nettorama would be next for price, Aldi and then Lidl.

Depends what part of the country you live in really, there lots of retailers, just spread of across country and with a population of 16.5 million theres bound to be more competition.

Bloody infuriating to go to the UK sometimes, pickup of rashers and product of the Netherlands is stamped on the back.. GRR :pac::pac:

ejmaztec

keithclancy wrote: »

Most of the stuff in the Dutch Aldi/Lidl is the very same as in Ireland, except some local foods, Cheddar Cheese, Sausages, rashers that sort of thing.

I think Aldi/Lidl usually stock from local suppliers where possible.

In Germany there are two Aldi's, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud (Which is the one thats in Ireland)

In Holland Albert Heijn is the biggest retailer, followed by Jumbo/C1000 (which we usually go to)

Then Nettorama would be next for price, Aldi and then Lidl.

Depends what part of the country you live in really, there lots of retailers, just spread of across country and with a population of 16.5 million theres bound to be more competition.

Bloody infuriating to go to the UK sometimes, pickup of rashers and product of the Netherlands is stamped on the back.. GRR :pac::pac:

Isn't that another worldwide enterprise (Ahold/Albert etc etc)? I'm surprised they're not here as well, in some form or other.

keithclancy

ejmaztec wrote: »

Isn't that another worldwide enterprise (Ahold/Albert etc etc)? I'm surprised they're not here as well, in some form or other.

No, purely Dutch, the owner "Albert Heijn" passed away recently.

They have stores in The Netherlands, Belgium and Curacao.

Someone even made a song about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZ9d-g1fA8

Although I think this mainly relates to the Albert Heijns in Amsterdam, they are EVERYWHERE and a new one seems to open every week. Plus they're usually tiny and a total rip off.

Theres an XL one near us which is better, sort of like a Dunnes I guess, much bigger and a better selection.

Bluetonic

Deleted User wrote: »

Afraid you are wrong. Have seen many a payslip. Most are gone now though, many taking in excess of 100k in redundancy.

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing a few payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

Bluetonic

Bluetonic wrote: »

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing MANY payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

ejmaztec

Deleted User wrote: »

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

Didn't you have a wages clerk?

ejmaztec

ejmaztec wrote: »

Didn't you have a wages clerk?

Certainly did but they weren't very good. Had LOTS of pay queries to deal with. In the end, I started to do my own payroll. Why the reluctance to accept they were on such high wages?

Gareth2011

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality.

It's been widely mentioned that Ireland has a high cost of manufacturing - the wages in Irish Industries are higher than in Germany. That's why people here must change their lifestyles and stop buying more expensive groceries by a simple means of changing their Supermarket.

Dell left behind Ireland's low corporation tax (lowest in europe actually). They chose poland because they pay people 300 a month and their happy. Obsivously people in Ireland can't work for 300 a month because stuff is 4 times as expensive here as it is in poland.

Some people like to sho for brand names and don't mind paying more for it and some prefere to shop for non brands (aldi, lidl) Altho I hate aldi I perfere Lidl. But I still shop around. Just because something isn't a brand name in Aldi that doesn't mean its equilivant in tesco, dunnes, supervalu is any dearer. All the supermarket try to balance their prices off each other.

To put it plainly people can shop how ever they like, if they have lots of money they can spend it however they wish. If they don't have much money they can spend it however they like and you insisting that people change their habits and way of thinking because you say so is a bit stupid.

Skopzz

Gareth2011 wrote: »

Dell left behind Ireland's low corporation tax (lowest in europe actually). They chose poland because they pay people 300 a month and their happy. Obsivously people in Ireland can't work for 300 a month because stuff is 4 times as expensive here as it is in poland.

Some people like to sho for brand names and don't mind paying more for it and some prefere to shop for non brands (aldi, lidl) Altho I hate aldi I perfere Lidl. But I still shop around. Just because something isn't a brand name in Aldi that doesn't mean its equilivant in tesco, dunnes, supervalu is any dearer. All the supermarket try to balance their prices off each other.

To put it plainly people can shop how ever they like, if they have lots of money they can spend it however they wish. If they don't have much money they can spend it however they like and you insisting that people change their habits and way of thinking because you say so is a bit stupid.

The Wages do not have to match the cost of living here and no employer is obliged to offer higher salaries just because someone finds living costs ''expensive''. I have already told you this can be dealt with by a simple means of changing your lifestyle (moving away from big brand names/switching supermarkets).


Oh and btw, when the IMF and EU instruct us to lower our wages (to become more competitive), I hope you are prepared to make the necessary changes to your lifestyle. Ireland suffers from a competitiveness problem - that's why we are loosing our manufacturing industry.

Gareth2011

changes to my lifestyle? Il tell you what my lifestyle consists of now at this moment. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble, I have a mortgage, 3 dogs, a wife, a car I don't do much except surf the net between here and job websites and do stuff around the house so to be perfectly honest with lowering wages won't do a hell of alot to me and besides. As soon as we can were leaving this s**t hole of a country.

wmpdd3

Bluetonic wrote: »

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing a few payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

One fully trained butcher in Blackrock with 19 years service, probably took redundancy in 1998!

There were a few of those in Tesco too from the Quinworth days. Now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the shop floor, even then they are on a part-time contract at a max of €11.50 per hour after 3 years service.

Skopzz

maxer68 wrote: »

DELL is NOT the type of manufacturing we want in Ireland. With all respect to anyone who worked there - it was a "lego" operation. It was unskilled for the main and as far back as 1999 a site in Poland was earmarked for the transfer of production. (I saw it myself - near to Lublin!!)

Everyone in the factory knew it and the only surprise was that the move didn't happen sooner. And the reason it didn't happen sooner was because unions in Poland held work up.

Pharma companies on the other hand continue to increase their investment in Ireland. Billions of euro have been invested in specialist manufacturing units and when some become obsolete due to patents running out or due to mergers, there's a queue of other companies waiting to take on the spare capacity. (aka Wyeth/Pfizer merger)

Skopzz - as many have said, you have zilch knowledge of finance & economics. And then you BS on the threads. That's why you don't have a job. BS if obvious to even the smallest emloyer.

Drunk dialing. Drunk emailing. Drunk texting.

And now maxer has introduced us to drunk commenting.

I can't wait to hear all about the ingenuity of Ireland's economy that is based on outsourcing, and building apartments the size of a park spot with no hot water, and paying trolls like you to try and reeducate those of us that live in an economy which lost its manufacturing.

But, please, carry on comrade. Don't you have a quota and a deadline? Chop chop ...

Skopzz

Deleted User wrote: »

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

Those wages for too high because they are unsustainable and would end up costing the Supermarket when they are forced to pass it onto customers.

Nonoperational

Gareth2011 wrote: »

changes to my lifestyle? Il tell you what my lifestyle consists of now at this moment. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble, I have a mortgage, 3 dogs, a wife, a car I don't do much except surf the net between here and job websites and do stuff around the house so to be perfectly honest with lowering wages won't do a hell of alot to me and besides. As soon as we can were leaving this s**t hole of a country.

No need for that.

Le_Dieux

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality. QUOTE]

I really have to wonder where you get your information from . To say Intel are looking beyond Ireland is the greatest load of nonsense I have ever read. Right now, the largest building site in the country is Intel in Leixlip.

Unless You can provide source/proof of course.

Pablo Sanchez

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality. QUOTE]

I really have to wonder where you get your information from . To say Intel are looking beyond Ireland is the greatest load of nonsense I have ever read. Right now, the largest building site in the country is Intel in Leixlip.

Unless You can provide source/proof of course.

I doubt he can, he just announced the impending closure of woodies on another thread.He Just says whatever nonsense enters his head.

Skopzz

Pablo Sanchez wrote: »

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I doubt he can, he just announced the impending closure of woodies on another thread.He Just says whatever nonsense enters his head.

Intel are out of here if the cost of manufacturing continues to rise. It directly impacts their competitiveness like Seagate which left Ireland in 1997.

I'm not the only one looking at their other sites in Israel and elsewhere.

But don't look to Ireland to do anything about it. They last thing we are interested in is a low-cost manufacturing base.

Skopzz

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality. QUOTE]

I really have to wonder where you get your information from . To say Intel are looking beyond Ireland is the greatest load of nonsense I have ever read. Right now, the largest building site in the country is Intel in Leixlip.

Unless You can provide source/proof of course.

But that doesn't guarantee they will stay in Ireland forever... If anything, it just buys more time.

Teva Pharmaceuticals invested in Ireland only to pull the plug the following year.

Unless we reduce our wages and freeze our prices, you're gonna see continued closures of more manufacturing plants in Ireland.

Le_Dieux

Skopzz wrote: »

Le_Dieux wrote: »

But that doesn't guarantee they will stay in Ireland forever... If anything, it just buys more time.

Teva Pharmaceuticals invested in Ireland only to pull the plug the following year.

Unless we reduce our wages and freeze our prices, you're gonna see continued closures of more manufacturing plants in Ireland.

Not interested in any other company, you mentioned Intel in your submission. All I ask, is Your proof/source.....PLEASE!

wmpdd3

What's the name of this thread again?

Le_Dieux

wmpdd3 wrote: »

What's the name of this thread again?

I hear You wmpdd3, and apologise for being non subject orientated on this thread.

But when someone writes such utter BS and makes such wild and imho unvalidated statements, I feel He should be asked to supply just how or where he heard these totally rabid rumours.

Skopzz

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Not interested in any other company, you mentioned Intel in your submission. All I ask, is Your proof/source.....PLEASE!

My microwave is cooking the popcorn now....

It is hard to believe that someone isn't going to figure it out.

Just defect. You'll be a lot happier over in Poland.

whiterebel

Skopzz wrote: »

My microwave is cooking the popcorn now....

It is hard to believe that someone isn't going to figure it out.

Just defect. You'll be a lot happier over in Poland.

Like Dell were so happy with the cheaper labour in Poland, they don't manufacture there any more either :rolleyes:. And the IMF/Eu can only influence the cost of the public service, not private industry.

BroomBurner

Is this still a thread about Tesco?

Anyway, here are two "great" offers from Tesco (one is historical at this stage, late last year), including:

Jordan's Selected Range - €1.69, or two for €4.00

Colgate toothpaste - €1.19 for 50ml
Colgate toothpaste - €1.19 for 100ml

I usually like Tescos, it's like a game you have to navigate in order to make sure you get the good deals (my sister is the queen of this).

Sorry to derail the Dell/Intel/Woodies discussion there!

Skopzz

whiterebel wrote: »

Like Dell were so happy with the cheaper labour in Poland, they don't manufacture there any more either :rolleyes:. And the IMF/Eu can only influence the cost of the public service, not private industry.

Yep. I think the whole thing is overblown. Sorry but that's wrong. The IMF/EU have influence on the cost of private industry. The Government recently implemented these changes as requested by the EU/IMF:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1201/1224308419691.html

To put this into context: An increase, or a complete lifting, of the retail size cap in Ireland could entice American hypermarkets, such as Costco and Wal-mart to establish shops here. Well, maybe indirectly, but the Government has also introduced other measures to deal with the cost of private industry here.