Tesco Rip-off prices

Rhys Essien

Seen that they have bargain alerts on another thread,things have to be balanced.

Avonmore fresh cream 750ml - €5.59
Tropicana orange juice 2L - €5.19

Nothing cheap there.

davo10

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Seen that they have bargain alerts on another thread,things have to be balanced.

Avonmore fresh cream 750ml - €5.59
Tropicana orange juice 2L - €5.19

Nothing cheap there.

Tesco uk is £2.18 for 1L or £4 for two, that is €5, that's 3.7% difference.

Skopzz

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Seen that they have bargain alerts on another thread,things have to be balanced.

Avonmore fresh cream 750ml - €5.59
Tropicana orange juice 2L - €5.19

Nothing cheap there.

Tesco are tricking their customers by their mis-leading advertizing. Anytime they claim 'price cuts' it's important to forget these prices are actually post-2009 ones. Tesco should be avoided at all costs by a simple means of changing one's lifestyle and shopping in cheaper places like Aldi or wherever it's cheaper.

mobpd

davo10 wrote: »

Tesco uk is £2.18 for 1L or £4 for two, that is €5, that's 3.7% difference.

Tesco UK : 2 litre Topicana orange juice is £3.48 - thats €4.16 - thats 25% dearer in RoI than in UK

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

Tesco are tricking their customers by their mis-leading advertizing. Anytime they claim 'price cuts' it's important to forget these prices are actually post-2009 ones. Tesco should be avoided at all costs by a simple means of changing one's lifestyle and shopping in cheaper places like Aldi or wherever it's cheaper.

What if you want something that's cheaper in Tesco, would you still avoid them?

Skopzz

ejmaztec wrote: »

What if you want something that's cheaper in Tesco, would you still avoid them?

Tesco have very few low-price goods.

Tesco don't claim to be the cheapest.

And they trick their customers with misleading advertizing like 'love the price' - love what? Something that's more expensive than Aldi or Dunnes?

TBH, we need Wal-Mart in Ireland.

Skopzz

I think this 'price drop' is simply a marketing tool and a quite untruthful one too. Tesco prices have gone up overall. Other items went up prior to the 'offering' and then went back to the original price at the start of thess promotions. The thing which Irish consumers should watch, is that Tesco treat us as if we are stupid, and is the reason why their promotions have substantially failed. Customers are not that stupid and within five minutes of shopping in their stores, you can see that little if anything has changed. Tesco management thought that the perception of change and perceived reductions would drive sales. But, since these promotions are more about price rigging, rather than price reduction, customers have seen it for what it is, a cynical promotional tool.

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

Tesco have very few low-price goods.

Tesco don't claim to be the cheapest.

And they trick their customers with misleading advertizing like 'love the price' - love what? Something that's more expensive than Aldi or Dunnes?

TBH, we need Wal-Mart in Ireland.

You didn't answer my question.:P

maxer68

ejmaztec wrote: »

You didn't answer my question.:P

he never does - but of course doesn't have a problem taking €180/week of our tax to spend on himself.

Skopzz - there's a reason you can't find a job (as per you post elsewhere) - you are far far too negative. No employer wants a moan in the company.

I'll give you this piece of advice - take it or leave it -

Change your attitude, have a more positive outlook in life, see as many things as possible in a positive light - for every interview you attend, tell yourself you will treat yourself to something. And then promise yourself that when you do get a job, treat yourself to one special thing every week for 6 weeks. - Write all these treats down and look at them every week.

It will give you something to look forward to, it will give you something to aim for. And the pshycology of this works amazingly well.


Try it for 3 months!!

If you do, my guess you'll be back at work earning a decent wage. But from someone that now employs over 20 people and will be taking on at least another 10 this year - negativity in way shape or form will not get you anywhere these days.

If you aren't interested in shopping around for bargains, just go to one supermarket and make do with what they expect you to pay. if you don't like somewhere, don't shop there. No one forces you to go in. I work in retail and tbh, we don't care what our prices our, we don't set them so complain with your feet and shop elsewhere.
Why are uk prices cheaper than ROI??? Unions! Your typical 20 year superquinn staff member earns around €1400 a week.

Pablo Sanchez

Skopzz wrote: »

I think this 'price drop' is simply a marketing tool and a quite untruthful one too. Tesco prices have gone up overall. Other items went up prior to the 'offering' and then went back to the original price at the start of thess promotions. The thing which Irish consumers should watch, is that Tesco treat us as if we are stupid, and is the reason why their promotions have substantially failed. Customers are not that stupid and within five minutes of shopping in their stores, you can see that little if anything has changed. Tesco management thought that the perception of change and perceived reductions would drive sales. But, since these promotions are more about price rigging, rather than price reduction, customers have seen it for what it is, a cynical promotional tool.

Say what you like but the 2 for 1 or the other promotions that Tesco have at the end of the isles are better then any other i have seen.

jasper11

need a wall mart/ asda

Nody

Skopzz wrote: »

Tesco have very few low-price goods.

Tesco don't claim to be the cheapest.

And they trick their customers with misleading advertizing like 'love the price' - love what? Something that's more expensive than Aldi or Dunnes?

TBH, we need Wal-Mart in Ireland.

ASDA is Walmart's European brand.

Skopzz

Pablo Sanchez wrote: »

Say what you like but the 2 for 1 or the other promotions that Tesco have at the end of the isles are better then any other i have seen.

You are a victim of Tesco's misleading advertizing. I check my shopping bills very carefully (and happily have the kind of brain that can remember to the cent what each item cost last time/usually costs). What I have noticed is that certain mid-priced essentials have been cut very slightly in price as the publicity trumpets. But of course, you'd be a mug to go for their supposedly 'special' offer (because it's a discount on the higher end price). I will continue to shop at Aldi for most of my groceries as I have been doing for about three years now and top it up with very few items that I can only get in the larger stores. Of course, this involves moving away from big brand names.

Aldi is the way forward. Once sneered at by most, I now look forward to the uncrowded airy aisles and hassle free shopping. The German hams are succulent and about a third of the price of Tesco. There is a large range of essentials, lovely fruit and veg and several types of bread and the treats are second to none. German (again) luxury desserts and cakes. OK you can't get every single item required if having a dinner party but so what?? The staples are all there, the cleaning products are cheap and at Christmas the luxuries are mouth watering. I save about twenty EUR a week going there.

Skopzz

Deleted User wrote: »

If you aren't interested in shopping around for bargains, just go to one supermarket and make do with what they expect you to pay. if you don't like somewhere, don't shop there. No one forces you to go in. I work in retail and tbh, we don't care what our prices our, we don't set them so complain with your feet and shop elsewhere.
Why are uk prices cheaper than ROI??? Unions! Your typical 20 year superquinn staff member earns around €1400 a week.

You are 100% correct.

That's also why we lost our manufacturing industry - because of the crony demands by unions and the Government who caved-in to them. I am glad we are under the EU/IMF because the Irish can never take a hard objective look at themselves and change. Then again, we are just a sucker country.

dahamsta

Nody wrote: »

ASDA is Walmart's European brand.

Indeed, and Tesco is about as close to a European Walmart as you can get. Wanting Walmart in Ireland is about as clever as asking for another a Tesco.

Pablo Sanchez

Yeah Tesco is the forth largest retailer in the world behind Wallmart and Carrefour and Metro, Aldi is only the 9th largest.

http://www.pdviz.com/what-are-the-worlds-largest-retailers-0

And by the way, our manufacturing industry has never been stronger, to say that its been destroyed by the unions is complete crap. We still brew and make busicuts (which used to be the sum of what we made as the industrial revolution bypassed us) but now we are also a worldwide centre for computer componant manufacturing and pharma.

Bluetonic

Deleted User wrote: »

Your typical 20 year superquinn staff member earns around €1400 a week.

I really doubt that.

It's simply not true.

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

You are a victim of Tesco's misleading advertizing. I check my shopping bills very carefully (and happily have the kind of brain that can remember to the cent what each item cost last time/usually costs). What I have noticed is that certain mid-priced essentials have been cut very slightly in price as the publicity trumpets. But of course, you'd be a mug to go for their supposedly 'special' offer (because it's a discount on the higher end price). I will continue to shop at Aldi for most of my groceries as I have been doing for about three years now and top it up with very few items that I can only get in the larger stores. Of course, this involves moving away from big brand names.

Aldi is the way forward. Once sneered at by most, I now look forward to the uncrowded airy aisles and hassle free shopping. The German hams are succulent and about a third of the price of Tesco. There is a large range of essentials, lovely fruit and veg and several types of bread and the treats are second to none. German (again) luxury desserts and cakes. OK you can't get every single item required if having a dinner party but so what?? The staples are all there, the cleaning products are cheap and at Christmas the luxuries are mouth watering. I save about twenty EUR a week going there.

Tesco isn't the only supermarket operator in Ireland that's on a mission to extract money from consumers. Why leave out Dunnes and SuperValu?

...and you still haven't answered my earlier question.

maxer68

Skopzz wrote: »

That's also why we lost our manufacturing industry - because of the crony demands by unions and the Government who caved-in to them. .

That must count as one of the STUPIDEST posts EVER on boards. A week after the government announces 2011 was the BEST YEAR EVER for Irish exports.

That's The BEST YEAR EVER. Or in plainer english - we never ever exported as many goods last year in our lives!

Our exports range from being the WORLD'S LEADER in infant milk (15% of worlsd's infant formula is MADE in Ireland from IRISH Milk) to a massive range of pharmacuticals, to computer components to wool, to food products to ingredients & flavours to yarn used on all boeing airline seats.

Our manufacturing industry is quite big and very very healthy. Oh and then there's guinness, jameson, kilbeggan & tullamore dew whiskies - and balck bush if yu want to count the North. There's modus media and its hard drives, microsoft and its software, IBM with its services and so many more it would take weeks of writing.

Skopzz

Pablo Sanchez wrote: »

Yeah Tesco is the forth largest retailer in the world behind Wallmart and Carrefour and Metro, Aldi is only the 9th largest.

http://www.pdviz.com/what-are-the-worlds-largest-retailers-0

And by the way, our manufacturing industry has never been stronger, to say that its been destroyed by the unions is complete crap. We still brew and make busicuts (which used to be the sum of what we made as the industrial revolution bypassed us) but now we are also a worldwide centre for computer componant manufacturing and pharma.

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality.

It's been widely mentioned that Ireland has a high cost of manufacturing - the wages in Irish Industries are higher than in Germany. That's why people here must change their lifestyles and stop buying more expensive groceries by a simple means of changing their Supermarket.

Skopzz

Bluetonic wrote: »

I really doubt that.

It's simply not true.

Did you know that pay rises happen quite seldom in Germany or the rest of the Eurozone?

madanall

Deleted User wrote: »

If you aren't interested in shopping around for bargains, just go to one supermarket and make do with what they expect you to pay. if you don't like somewhere, don't shop there. No one forces you to go in. I work in retail and tbh, we don't care what our prices our, we don't set them so complain with your feet and shop elsewhere.
Why are uk prices cheaper than ROI??? Unions! Your typical 20 year superquinn staff member earns around €1400 a week.

With 24 years experience in the grocery retail business, I know for a fact that no " Typical Superquinn Staff Member " earns around 1400 a week. BULL ****

Skopzz

dahamsta wrote: »

Indeed, and Tesco is about as close to a European Walmart as you can get. Wanting Walmart in Ireland is about as clever as asking for another a Tesco.

People should be willing to move away from big brand names. Wal-Mart would be able to stock these non-branded items and become a competitor to Aldi and Lidl. I have to say that Lidl has alarmingly begun stocking big brand names over the past 3 years. Nobody wants these products because they're too expensive. That's why Aldi will remain the winner.

Skopzz

ejmaztec wrote: »

Tesco isn't the only supermarket operator in Ireland that's on a mission to extract money from consumers. Why leave out Dunnes and SuperValu?

...and you still haven't answered my earlier question.

Since this thread is about Tesco, we feel that Tesco manipulates its prices using a myriad of short term special prices to confuse the customer. Prices yo-yo so making it extremely difficult to know what the real prices would have been.

Tesco is able to use its IT systems to achieve this. I believe that Tesco uses this presentation of prices to draw a veil over its overall price levels so that it can appear to offer low prices while actually raising them. Tesco is being too clever by half. We're not stupid. We know that the wool is being pulled over our eyes.

Go figure the rest out if you still can't get it.

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

People should be willing to move away from big brand names. Wal-Mart would be able to stock these non-branded items and become a competitor to Aldi and Lidl. I have to say that Lidl has alarmingly begun stocking big brand names over the past 3 years. Nobody wants these products because they're too expensive. That's why Aldi will remain the winner.

Aldi also has a selection of big brand names on its shelves.

Skopzz

ejmaztec wrote: »

Aldi also has a selection of big brand names on its shelves.

When was the last time you visited Aldi?!

Aldi has very few big brand names on their shelves.

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

Since this thread is about Tesco, we feel that Tesco manipulates its prices using a myriad of short term special prices to confuse the customer. Prices yo-yo so making it extremely difficult to know what the real prices would have been.

Tesco is able to use its IT systems to achieve this. I believe that Tesco uses this presentation of prices to draw a veil over its overall price levels so that it can appear to offer low prices while actually raising them. Tesco is being too clever by half. We're not stupid. We know that the wool is being pulled over our eyes.

Go figure the rest out if you still can't get it.

You don't seem to realise that all supermarkets are involved in these practices. Nothing's ever black and white with any of them.



...and you still never got round to answering my question.

Skopzz wrote: »

When was the last time you visited Aldi?!

Aldi has very few big brand names on their shelves.

I was in Aldi a few days ago.

I note that you agree that they have big brand items on their shelves. I would imagine that they wouldn't have big brand names if there were no demand for them, they wouldn't be stupid enough to stock them otherwise.

Skopzz

ejmaztec wrote: »

You don't seem to realise that all supermarkets are involved in these practices. Nothing's ever black and white with any of them.



...and you still never got round to answering my question.



I was in Aldi a few days ago.

I note that you agree that they have big brand items on their shelves. I would imagine that they wouldn't have big brand names if there were no demand for them, they wouldn't be stupid enough to stock them otherwise.

But not so much with Dunnes since they haven't invested heavily in IT systems like Tesco. Dunnes are more forthcoming with their prices. So I don't see where ''all supermarkets'' are in on this. They're not.

Nobody wants big brand names in Lidl as evidenced by the fact they hardly sell - they rarely move from the shelf. Lidl are wasting shelf space stocking them and the austerity measures will force people to move away from big brands anyway. That increases the demand for European goods that work out nicer, cheaper and more popular once adopted.

neckedit

Why are uk prices cheaper than ROI??? Unions! Your typical 20 year superquinn staff member earns around €1400 a week.[/QUOTE]

Ok your telling me that Superquinn staff member, of 20 years is earning €72800 p/a??get a grip. Do a bit of research before you post.

Solair

dahamsta wrote: »

Indeed, and Tesco is about as close to a European Walmart as you can get. Wanting Walmart in Ireland is about as clever as asking for another a Tesco.

Whether it's tesco, carrefour or wal-mart, the problem is a lack of competition in Irish mainstream retail. Most other countries have at least one, if not two more mainstream supermarket chains.

We basically have Tesco, Dunnes and SuperValu/Quinn.
Aldi and Lidl are not mainstream supermarkets, they're specialist discount retailers.
SuperValu/Quinn isn't really a chain either, it's just a symbol brand and largely targets convenience and high end niches.

So, realistically, we have just two major chains vs up to six in a lot of EU countries.

If ASDA entered the market it would help a lot, but not by purchasing Dunnes as it would just change the name over the door.

Without more players, there is no incentive to reduce prices!

ejmaztec

Skopzz wrote: »

But not so much with Dunnes since they haven't invested heavily in IT systems like Tesco. Dunnes are more forthcoming with their prices. So I don't see where ''all supermarkets'' are in on this. They're not.

Nobody wants big brand names in Lidl as evidenced by the fact they hardly sell - they rarely move from the shelf. Lidl are wasting shelf space stocking them and the austerity measures will force people to move away from big brands anyway. That increases the demand for European goods that work out nicer, cheaper and more popular once adopted.

With unpublished figures and Dunnes being a private company, the figure for their IT expenditure must be hard to find. It's naive to assume that all supermarkets aren't there to cream the consumer.

If Aldi/Lidl thought that there was no need for big brand items on their shelves, they wouldn't have them. They must know something that you don't.

Solair

I think people are making the erroneous assumption that Aldi and Lidl stock continental products. Their range in Ireland is similar to their range in the UK, it's not really at all like their range in Germany or France.

A lot of their fresh products are sourced in Ireland and a lot of their processed food items seem to be British.

If anything, very little of what those stores carry is German, other than a few cured meats, some of the chocolates and some of the items of household goods.

Some of the household goods seem to be made by the usual own-brand manufactures e.g. ProPak and McBride, who contract manufacture for lots of people.

So, all in all, I don't really think the experience in an Irish branch of Aldi or Lidl is particularly continental at all.

The big difference is that the prices on a lot of the Aldi products are similar to Tesco's Value range but the quality of them is a LOT better (usually).


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To compare Ireland with France and the UK:

Supermarket chains:

UK (Mainstream)

Tesco
Sainsbury's
Morrisons
ASDA
Co-operative
Waitrose
& smaller chains, symbol groups and niche players.

France:

Auchan
Carrefour
Géant / Casino
Monoprix
Intermarché
Cora
Super U / Hyper U
E. Leclerc
& many more brands owned by the above groups too and also some smaller chains and symbol groups and niche players.

Those countries also have Lidl, Aldi, Netto and other discounters! So, in comparison the level of competition in Ireland is pathetically bad. We are being royally ripped off by what amounts to a duopoly with a few niche players along side.
Any of the supermarkets above are full mainstream and have the full range of products that you'd expect in Dunnes/Tesco here.

Bluetonic

Bluetonic wrote: »

I really doubt that.

It's simply not true.

Afraid you are wrong. Have seen many a payslip. Most are gone now though, many taking in excess of 100k in redundancy.

Feargal Quinn was a joke. read this and see what the unions were asking for!!
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/5300-workers-may-be-hit-in-superquinn-butchers-row-291656.html

wmpdd3

Originally Posted by Skopzz
People should be willing to move away from big brand names.

Over 35% of sales in Tesco grocery come from own brand.

To say that a retailer like Lidl is 'wasting space' by stocking brand names is a joke. NO retailer wastes space like that, ask any producer trying to get their stock on the shelves of the big 4. At most they get 6 weeks trial, have to cover all waste and if it doesn't meet the required return per shelf facing, its discontinued.

I have noticed prices rising in Tesco, esp baby items but after checking, Dunnes and SuperQuinn have also increased the same items.

I completely ignore 'price cut / drop / roll back etc'.

I do most of my shopping online so I have receipts in my e-mail folder for the last 3 years and so know the prices.

maxer68

Skopzz wrote: »

Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. .

DELL is NOT the type of manufacturing we want in Ireland. With all respect to anyone who worked there - it was a "lego" operation. It was unskilled for the main and as far back as 1999 a site in Poland was earmarked for the transfer of production. (I saw it myself - near to Lublin!!)

Everyone in the factory knew it and the only surprise was that the move didn't happen sooner. And the reason it didn't happen sooner was because unions in Poland held work up.

Pharma companies on the other hand continue to increase their investment in Ireland. Billions of euro have been invested in specialist manufacturing units and when some become obsolete due to patents running out or due to mergers, there's a queue of other companies waiting to take on the spare capacity. (aka Wyeth/Pfizer merger)

Skopzz - as many have said, you have zilch knowledge of finance & economics. And then you BS on the threads. That's why you don't have a job. BS if obvious to even the smallest emloyer.

keithclancy

Solair wrote: »

I think people are making the erroneous assumption that Aldi and Lidl stock continental products. Their range in Ireland is similar to their range in the UK, it's not really at all like their range in Germany or France.

Most of the stuff in the Dutch Aldi/Lidl is the very same as in Ireland, except some local foods, Cheddar Cheese, Sausages, rashers that sort of thing.

I think Aldi/Lidl usually stock from local suppliers where possible.

In Germany there are two Aldi's, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud (Which is the one thats in Ireland)

In Holland Albert Heijn is the biggest retailer, followed by Jumbo/C1000 (which we usually go to)

Then Nettorama would be next for price, Aldi and then Lidl.

Depends what part of the country you live in really, there lots of retailers, just spread of across country and with a population of 16.5 million theres bound to be more competition.

Bloody infuriating to go to the UK sometimes, pickup of rashers and product of the Netherlands is stamped on the back.. GRR :pac::pac:

ejmaztec

keithclancy wrote: »

Most of the stuff in the Dutch Aldi/Lidl is the very same as in Ireland, except some local foods, Cheddar Cheese, Sausages, rashers that sort of thing.

I think Aldi/Lidl usually stock from local suppliers where possible.

In Germany there are two Aldi's, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud (Which is the one thats in Ireland)

In Holland Albert Heijn is the biggest retailer, followed by Jumbo/C1000 (which we usually go to)

Then Nettorama would be next for price, Aldi and then Lidl.

Depends what part of the country you live in really, there lots of retailers, just spread of across country and with a population of 16.5 million theres bound to be more competition.

Bloody infuriating to go to the UK sometimes, pickup of rashers and product of the Netherlands is stamped on the back.. GRR :pac::pac:

Isn't that another worldwide enterprise (Ahold/Albert etc etc)? I'm surprised they're not here as well, in some form or other.

keithclancy

ejmaztec wrote: »

Isn't that another worldwide enterprise (Ahold/Albert etc etc)? I'm surprised they're not here as well, in some form or other.

No, purely Dutch, the owner "Albert Heijn" passed away recently.

They have stores in The Netherlands, Belgium and Curacao.

Someone even made a song about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZ9d-g1fA8

Although I think this mainly relates to the Albert Heijns in Amsterdam, they are EVERYWHERE and a new one seems to open every week. Plus they're usually tiny and a total rip off.

Theres an XL one near us which is better, sort of like a Dunnes I guess, much bigger and a better selection.

Bluetonic

Deleted User wrote: »

Afraid you are wrong. Have seen many a payslip. Most are gone now though, many taking in excess of 100k in redundancy.

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing a few payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

Bluetonic

Bluetonic wrote: »

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing MANY payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

ejmaztec

Deleted User wrote: »

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

Didn't you have a wages clerk?

ejmaztec

ejmaztec wrote: »

Didn't you have a wages clerk?

Certainly did but they weren't very good. Had LOTS of pay queries to deal with. In the end, I started to do my own payroll. Why the reluctance to accept they were on such high wages?

Gareth2011

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality.

It's been widely mentioned that Ireland has a high cost of manufacturing - the wages in Irish Industries are higher than in Germany. That's why people here must change their lifestyles and stop buying more expensive groceries by a simple means of changing their Supermarket.

Dell left behind Ireland's low corporation tax (lowest in europe actually). They chose poland because they pay people 300 a month and their happy. Obsivously people in Ireland can't work for 300 a month because stuff is 4 times as expensive here as it is in poland.

Some people like to sho for brand names and don't mind paying more for it and some prefere to shop for non brands (aldi, lidl) Altho I hate aldi I perfere Lidl. But I still shop around. Just because something isn't a brand name in Aldi that doesn't mean its equilivant in tesco, dunnes, supervalu is any dearer. All the supermarket try to balance their prices off each other.

To put it plainly people can shop how ever they like, if they have lots of money they can spend it however they wish. If they don't have much money they can spend it however they like and you insisting that people change their habits and way of thinking because you say so is a bit stupid.

Skopzz

Gareth2011 wrote: »

Dell left behind Ireland's low corporation tax (lowest in europe actually). They chose poland because they pay people 300 a month and their happy. Obsivously people in Ireland can't work for 300 a month because stuff is 4 times as expensive here as it is in poland.

Some people like to sho for brand names and don't mind paying more for it and some prefere to shop for non brands (aldi, lidl) Altho I hate aldi I perfere Lidl. But I still shop around. Just because something isn't a brand name in Aldi that doesn't mean its equilivant in tesco, dunnes, supervalu is any dearer. All the supermarket try to balance their prices off each other.

To put it plainly people can shop how ever they like, if they have lots of money they can spend it however they wish. If they don't have much money they can spend it however they like and you insisting that people change their habits and way of thinking because you say so is a bit stupid.

The Wages do not have to match the cost of living here and no employer is obliged to offer higher salaries just because someone finds living costs ''expensive''. I have already told you this can be dealt with by a simple means of changing your lifestyle (moving away from big brand names/switching supermarkets).


Oh and btw, when the IMF and EU instruct us to lower our wages (to become more competitive), I hope you are prepared to make the necessary changes to your lifestyle. Ireland suffers from a competitiveness problem - that's why we are loosing our manufacturing industry.

Gareth2011

changes to my lifestyle? Il tell you what my lifestyle consists of now at this moment. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble, I have a mortgage, 3 dogs, a wife, a car I don't do much except surf the net between here and job websites and do stuff around the house so to be perfectly honest with lowering wages won't do a hell of alot to me and besides. As soon as we can were leaving this s**t hole of a country.

wmpdd3

Bluetonic wrote: »

So what you said it totally incorrect and based on seeing a few payslips?

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

One fully trained butcher in Blackrock with 19 years service, probably took redundancy in 1998!

There were a few of those in Tesco too from the Quinworth days. Now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the shop floor, even then they are on a part-time contract at a max of €11.50 per hour after 3 years service.

Skopzz

maxer68 wrote: »

DELL is NOT the type of manufacturing we want in Ireland. With all respect to anyone who worked there - it was a "lego" operation. It was unskilled for the main and as far back as 1999 a site in Poland was earmarked for the transfer of production. (I saw it myself - near to Lublin!!)

Everyone in the factory knew it and the only surprise was that the move didn't happen sooner. And the reason it didn't happen sooner was because unions in Poland held work up.

Pharma companies on the other hand continue to increase their investment in Ireland. Billions of euro have been invested in specialist manufacturing units and when some become obsolete due to patents running out or due to mergers, there's a queue of other companies waiting to take on the spare capacity. (aka Wyeth/Pfizer merger)

Skopzz - as many have said, you have zilch knowledge of finance & economics. And then you BS on the threads. That's why you don't have a job. BS if obvious to even the smallest emloyer.

Drunk dialing. Drunk emailing. Drunk texting.

And now maxer has introduced us to drunk commenting.

I can't wait to hear all about the ingenuity of Ireland's economy that is based on outsourcing, and building apartments the size of a park spot with no hot water, and paying trolls like you to try and reeducate those of us that live in an economy which lost its manufacturing.

But, please, carry on comrade. Don't you have a quota and a deadline? Chop chop ...

Skopzz

Deleted User wrote: »

To quote you.. 'Clearly what you said was your opinion and not true. I have presented the facts, don't take it personally' Lol

Was a manager in Superquinn for 5 years. Completed many a payroll. What do you think the extra money you paid was for? Your typical duty manager is earning 33-40k on days, 42k+ on nightshift. Store managers - 100k plus. That said, all duty managers are about to be made redundant if they dont take an 'expert' role which involves a massive paycut.

Slightly off topic now

Those wages for too high because they are unsustainable and would end up costing the Supermarket when they are forced to pass it onto customers.

Nonoperational

Gareth2011 wrote: »

changes to my lifestyle? Il tell you what my lifestyle consists of now at this moment. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't gamble, I have a mortgage, 3 dogs, a wife, a car I don't do much except surf the net between here and job websites and do stuff around the house so to be perfectly honest with lowering wages won't do a hell of alot to me and besides. As soon as we can were leaving this s**t hole of a country.

No need for that.

Le_Dieux

Skopzz wrote: »

In any case, that's set to be outsourced. Like I said, our competitiveness has suffered greatly because of high wages and salaries. The Unions have crippled this country economically. Dell left Ireland because of these high costs. Intel are already looking beyond Ireland. So unless we improve our competitiveness, be prepared for that eventuality. QUOTE]

I really have to wonder where you get your information from . To say Intel are looking beyond Ireland is the greatest load of nonsense I have ever read. Right now, the largest building site in the country is Intel in Leixlip.

Unless You can provide source/proof of course.