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Boom_Bap · 23-03-2012 9:55am

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

I dunno what it is but every performance I saw at SWSX the crowd was rubbish. Big K.R.I.T. had to work his socks off to get anything from the crowd.

I had to laugh when one guy came out called STS, I think. He didn't give a ****. No one there knew him. I'd say his DJ didn't know him. He still rocked the house and walked off after. He was very good though.

The worst crowd I've seen was at the WTC in Glastonbury. Meth nearly broke down in tears because they were getting no love from them. It took about 40 minutes to get the crowd going.

If I was at them or at the Nas concert I'd be on such a high I'd probably fail a drugs test.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Lol what? That's premo !

@jimmy : on the phone can't qoute , but Ye the crowd were terrible a lot of non hip hop heads tbh by the looks of it.

Actually made it harder to watch the artists perform, obviously if the crowd were buzzing it would rub of on the rappers.

2 classic albums in illmatic and get rich were performed from start ro finish to a crowd who barely looked to appeiciate it.

Had a listen of both of those obie tracks earlier mate and tbh they are both cat IMO, Richard ft eminem is horrible.

SXSW is not a good place to look for crowd reaction. Alot of people there are just passing through each of the venues trying to catch something new. It's a showcase for up and coming artists primarily. alot of the people in the crowds are also musicians that are performing elsewhere duing the festival. There are only a small number of actual fans of artists at alot of the gigs. Lots on reporters and industry people knocking around as well.

There is also a bit of contoversy after this year, alot of people outside (and some inside) the world of Hip Hop are annoyed with established artists playing like Nas, Snoop etc. It's taking the shine off the up and coming people who are trying to get noticed.

Bobby Baccala · 25-03-2012 1:52am

People on youtube completely overstate their favourite rappers abilities, i just saw somebody describe chamillionaire as a "hip hop god".

conor.hogan.2 · 25-03-2012 2:06am

Referring to anyone as such is a bit silly imo.

Jimmy Iovine · 25-03-2012 2:09am

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

People on youtube completely overstate their favourite rappers abilities, i just saw somebody describe chamillionaire as a "hip hop god".

The moment you start believing what is written in the comments on youtube is the moment that you should go to the hospital and ask for a mental checkup.

You could go around to every single video and find someone talking pure spray. Often you'll find a video with some priceless comments. I checked up Rack City by Tyga there and there were some great ones on it.

You get better lyrics from people on youtube

the music in porn is better and you get so see titties

this sucks more than a dying vampire.

Bobby Baccala · 25-03-2012 2:11am

Yeah the lad thinks because cham won a grammy he's a hip hop god. Youtube is packed to the brim with absolute turkeys.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 12:02am

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Yeah the lad thinks because cham won a grammy he's a hip hop god. Youtube is packed to the brim with absolute turkeys.

what did cham win a grammy for?

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 12:19am

Had to be for Ridin Dirty I'd say?

Jimmy Iovine · 26-03-2012 12:45am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

what did cham win a grammy for?

Best rap performance by a duo or group, with Krayzie Bone in 2007.

Before anyone says that he didn't deserve it it was one of the biggest songs of the year. Also 'Crack a Bottle' won in 2010 so that should get most of the hate.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 1:26am

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

what did cham win a grammy for?

Best rap performance by a duo or group, with Krayzie Bone in 2007.

Before anyone says that he didn't deserve it it was one of the biggest songs of the year. Also 'Crack a Bottle' won in 2010 so that should get most of the hate.

Can't remember that song tbh must give it a listen !

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means but not a song worthy of a grammy either even dre said that !.

the song was rushed and forced out because of a leak as far as I can remember.

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 1:34am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means

All things considered - Eminem, 50 and Dre rapping over a Dre beat - it is a terrible song, absolutely awful compared to their usual standard.

conor.hogan.2 · 26-03-2012 1:46am

It is terrible by anyones standards.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 1:52am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means

All things considered - Eminem, 50 and Dre rapping over a Dre beat - it is a terrible song, absolutely awful compared to their usual standard.

I think to compare crack a bottle to those 3s usual standard we would have to go back to at least the mid/early 00s.

Crack a bottle is nearly as good as it gets from these 3 judging by their recent efforts, I just didn't think it was that bad a song for a single compared to that of what other rappers are releasing that somehow is acceptable as hip hop.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 1:53am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

It is terrible by anyones standards.

yet you love INAD which is dre's worst piece of work by a long run, pretty much a pop song.

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 2:00am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think to compare crack a bottle to those 3s usual standard we would have to go back to at least the mid/early 00s.

Crack a bottle is nearly as good as it gets from these 3 judging by their recent efforts, I just didn't think it was that bad a song for a single compared to that of what other rappers are releasing that somehow is acceptable as hip hop.

Even if they were judged only by their recent work, Crack a Bottle is still exceptionally bad, everything about it.

There's not much argument, I mean Dre didn't just say it didn't deserve to win - it still won the grammy but Dre doesn't acknowledge it and doesn't count it as an award/achievement..what can you say when the guy that produced and performed it says that? I wouldn't consider it mixtape material tbh, I still remember hearing it for the first time one night in the car and just being gobsmacked at how bad it was.

Jimmy Iovine · 26-03-2012 2:04am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Can't remember that song tbh must give it a listen !

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means but not a song worthy of a grammy either even dre said that !.

the song was rushed and forced out because of a leak as far as I can remember.

I'm one of Cham's biggest fans but I hate the song now. I played it too much years ago and can't stand it now. There are far better songs on that album. Check out "Rain" feat. Scarface. It's my favourite off the album. Unbelievable song.

Yea Crack a Bottle leaked alright. IIRC it was just Dre and Em's verses that leaked first and then 50's verse was in the later version.

At the time I thought it was brilliant for the main reason that it was the first official Eminem song in an eternity and I was excited for his album. That feeling lasted about a week until I realised that it's really a very poor song.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 2:21am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I think to compare crack a bottle to those 3s usual standard we would have to go back to at least the mid/early 00s.

Crack a bottle is nearly as good as it gets from these 3 judging by their recent efforts, I just didn't think it was that bad a song for a single compared to that of what other rappers are releasing that somehow is acceptable as hip hop.

Even if they were judged only by their recent work, Crack a Bottle is still exceptionally bad, everything about it.

There's not much argument, I mean Dre didn't just say it didn't deserve to win - it still won the grammy but Dre doesn't acknowledge it and doesn't count it as an award/achievement..what can you say when the guy that produced and performed it says that? I wouldn't consider it mixtape material tbh, I still remember hearing it for the first time one night in the car and just being gobsmacked at how bad it was.

Of course there's an arguement to it. Dre never actually said the song was bad , All he said was he doesn't adknowledge the Grammy because they were forced to release it because of the leak and he felt it was rushed and lacked soul or something along those lines as far as I can remember.

If he genuinally taught the song was as bad as you say it is, do you think he would have actually gave it to em for the relapse album?

At lot of people Mightn't of liked it and Iv never said it was a classic or even a great song but it's by no means terrible IMO , Iv heard a 100 times worse over the years including INAD from dre.

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 2:25am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Of course there's an arguement to it. Dre never actually said the song was bad , All he said was he doesn't adknowledge the Grammy because they were forced to release it because of the leak and he felt it was rushed and lacked soul or something along those lines as far as I can remember.

If he genuinally taught the song was as bad as you say it is, do you think he would have actually gave it to em for the relapse album?

At lot of people Mightn't of liked it and Iv never said it was a classic or even a great song but it's by no means terrible IMO , Iv heard a 100 times worse over the years including INAD from dre.

He didn't say it was bad but he clearly implied it. It made it onto Relapse as it had already been leaked and the label threw it onto the album to capitalize on that. If Dre had his way the track would have never seen the light of day.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 2:34am

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Can't remember that song tbh must give it a listen !

Ye I knew crack a bottle won a Grammy, not a terrible songs by any means but not a song worthy of a grammy either even dre said that !.

the song was rushed and forced out because of a leak as far as I can remember.

I'm one of Cham's biggest fans but I hate the song now. I played it too much years ago and can't stand it now. There are far better songs on that album. Check out "Rain" feat. Scarface. It's my favourite off the album. Unbelievable song.

Yea Crack a Bottle leaked alright. IIRC it was just Dre and Em's verses that leaked first and then 50's verse was in the later version.

At the time I thought it was brilliant for the main reason that it was the first official Eminem song in an eternity and I was excited for his album. That feeling lasted about a week until I realised that it's really a very poor song.

Il give it a listen when I'm on the laptop tommow and see what I think of it.

Crack a bottle was a huge hit in fairness, I think it set a record as the fastest selling single in a week on iTunes only to bet by black eyed peas the following week.

But I remember the song getting pretty big radio play over here aswell as a bit of rotation in the niteclubs at the time.

I just honestly have heard much much worse over the years from so called rappers.

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 2:37am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Crack a bottle was a huge hit in fairness, I think it set a record as the fastest selling single in a week on iTunes only to bet by black eyed peas the following week.

Says it all really.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 2:50am

PrettyBoy wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Of course there's an arguement to it. Dre never actually said the song was bad , All he said was he doesn't adknowledge the Grammy because they were forced to release it because of the leak and he felt it was rushed and lacked soul or something along those lines as far as I can remember.

If he genuinally taught the song was as bad as you say it is, do you think he would have actually gave it to em for the relapse album?

At lot of people Mightn't of liked it and Iv never said it was a classic or even a great song but it's by no means terrible IMO , Iv heard a 100 times worse over the years including INAD from dre.

He didn't say it was bad but he clearly implied it. It made it onto Relapse as it had already been leaked and the label threw it onto the album to capitalize on that. If Dre had his way the track would have never seen the light of day.

But it could also be implied that he was extremely piss*d at it being leaked and therefore having to rush it without really giving it the extra touches he maybe wanted for it.

I mean look at all the detox leaks, under pressure ft jay z is a similar situation and that was scrapped so I think if crack a bottle wasnt going to see the light of day it wouldn't have just like under pressure

Even when INAD was leaked and most of us taught it was an eminem leftover , the song still saw the light of day despite the leak so I think if dre wants to shelf something he does it, we all know how he is.

Eminem didn't need crack a bottle, you know yourself eminem is one of very few rappers that could pretty much gain a buzz from a blank cd with his name on it lol

Jimmy Iovine · 26-03-2012 3:25am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Il give it a listen when I'm on the laptop tommow and see what I think of it.

I messed up that link so I've put in the video below.

About Chamillionaire and the Grammys, he was actually disqualified from the 'best new artist' category. Apparently the judges thought he wasn't really a new artist. He had released a few mixtapes that year and the bootleggers went mad and made copies to beat the band. The judges thought he was after releasing 20/30 albums that year and he was omitted from the nomination sheet.

He'd have had a good chance of winning considering some young one from American Idol was the winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uLCbHHS1Ro

PrettyBoy · 26-03-2012 10:08am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Eminem didn't need crack a bottle, you know yourself eminem is one of very few rappers that could pretty much gain a buzz from a blank cd with his name on it lol

That's true but I'm not saying he needed it, just that the label decided to put it on his album as it was already out there, they decided they may as well capitalize off the leak.

Bobby Baccala · 26-03-2012 10:33am

Crack a bottle was really terrible imo, it's one of the songs i think of when i wonder where eminem went wrong, i tried to listen to it after the slim shady LP and just couldn't handle it. The hook was cheesy the rapping was mediocre and the beat wasn't great. It's just one of them songs that shouldn't have won a grammy.

conor.hogan.2 · 26-03-2012 1:50pm

That song (Ridin Dirty) is probably what made me brush him off as an artist. Pretty good song in general though that being said.

Crack a bottle did not lack "soul" or "polish" it lacked a decent beat and a decent lyrics full stop.

Bad beats for a bad song on an overall bad album imo. That album was mainly a stepping stone or a dumping ground on the way to the next album which was slightly better.

INAD has a better beat and better lyrics from Dre and Em than Crack a bottle did.

mufcboy1999 · 26-03-2012 10:42pm

we will have to agree to disagree here, i know im in the minority but i just think terrible is too strong a word for crack a bottle.

id pick crack a bottle over INAD any day. Everything bar the intro to the video was horrible about INAD, it was a pop song and a song that pretty much had sell out written all over it for dre.

pop ft and hook
horrible pop beat
commercial as fu*k.

but thats just me, at least crack a bottle was hip hop in more ways than INAD.

conor.hogan.2 · 26-03-2012 11:31pm

Terrible is too weak a word. He rap-scatted on that song.

INAD is pop but crack a bottle is not, how does that work? INAD had a very very strong message, what was the message for crack a bottle?

Also wtf at INAD not being as hip-hop as CAB, CAB was nonsense it just happened to have 3 rappers and a producer does not make it good or more hip-hop than a song which had 2 of the same people and actually had a message and good lyrics.

(worst, most non sensical multis in a song ever too in CAB by the way - something eminem poked fun at in a freestyle a while back. The only redeeming feature of CAB is the beat is quite good and Dre makes some sense compared to Eminem on the song)

conor.hogan.2 · 26-03-2012 11:54pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHqnqRvcKF8

What a straight up dickhead.

mufcboy1999 · 27-03-2012 12:08am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Terrible is too weak a word. He rap-scatted on that song.

INAD is pop but crack a bottle is not, how does that work? INAD had a very very strong message, what was the message for crack a bottle?

Also wtf at INAD not being as hip-hop as CAB, CAB was nonsense it just happened to have 3 rappers and a producer does not make it good or more hip-hop than a song which had 2 of the same people and actually had a message and good lyrics.

(worst, most non sensical multis in a song ever too in CAB by the way - something eminem poked fun at in a freestyle a while back. The only redeeming feature of CAB is the beat is quite good and Dre makes some sense compared to Eminem on the song)

i think terrible is too weak a word for INAD, think about it when INAD leaked nobody liked it and most sites declared it as a recovery leftover because thats what it sounds like.

it does not for 1 minute sound like a dre song, it is pure rubbish from 1 of gangsta raps poineers. if INAD didnt have the video it did, i honestly dont think you'd be calling it a good song.

CAB kept it more hip hop is what i said because it didnt have a pop ft and hook and a wack ass beat too go along with it, it actually had a typical catchy eminem hook with verses from 3 rappers, fair enough they werent anything amazing but it was a radio single most of them have similiar content these days.

here's the two instrumentals, give them another listen. theres no competion man imo , its slow in tempo ye and not great by any means but its not terrible by any means either.

the INAD beat come on be real here, ye there a good concept behind the song but the actual song is terrible. there also was a good concept behind CAB with em,50 and dre on the same song which was suppose to lead up to the release of all 3s albums simultaneously.

you cant tell me the INAD beat sounds anything other than a pop record, like i said ye CAB was slow in tempo and not great but as far as comparing the two for me...

CAB>>>>>>INAD all day every day. it sounds like a hip hop song not a pop one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQTX6d7CUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8oamttVKUQ

conor.hogan.2 · 27-03-2012 12:28am

INAD told the story of Dre and Eminem, it had a strong message and good lyrics.

"So crack a bottle, let your body waddle
Don't act like a snobby model"
Really? This is not pop, corny and nonsense? Eminems verse on INAD actually made sense whereas CAB it did not.

The INAD beat is a better beat, it sounds better and has much more going on. It may not be a typical Dre beat but that is called change and progression not change and regression which is what CAB was.

Both beats feature light piano, but INAD featured more and matches the mood of the song which CAB does too but that mood is whimsical nonsense about nothing in particular. The INAD beat has progression and layers which matches the song, CAB is same same same pretty much for the whole song it gets very bland very fast.

But INAD is better than CAB because of the lyrics, neither of the beats are fantastic but INAD beats CAB on beats aswel as lyrics.

mufcboy1999 · 27-03-2012 12:41am

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

INAD told the story of Dre and Eminem, it had a strong message and good lyrics.

"So crack a bottle, let your body waddle
Don't act like a snobby model"

Really? This is not pop, corny and nonsense?
Eminems verse on INAD actually made sense whereas CAB it did not.

The INAD beat is a better beat, it sounds better and has much more going on. It may not be a typical Dre beat but that is called change and progression not change and regression which is what CAB was.

you keep going on about the concept of INAD we have been over this a few times, even on the detox thread i told you it was a good concept but imo a terrible song (the way it sounds).

but what was the need for the pop ft and beat? what could of been a great song turned out commercial as fu*k, the beat and pop ft on INAD made up for the corny-ish hook by em on CAB.

but you know what eminem is like he's always had that element of corny nonsense in his music, its nothing new at all in fact you would expect it from eminem in most of his lead singles from just about all his albums bar recovery really.

INAD wasnt even a dre beat man it was produced by Alex da kid from the uk who's got a history of pop-ish beats for urban artists like rihanna, b.o.b etc. I cant believe for 1 second you think INAD is a better beat than CAB, ye both are nothing special but honestly man i know which one has more hip hop elements than the other that was actually prod by a hip hop legend, its nothing to do with progression , its to with the fact dre sold out and went commercial on INAD.

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