Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

tayto lover

black francis wrote: »

200k is 0.00125% of the current budget deficit.
Multiplied by the 101 other ways you apparently have and we've come up with 0.126%.

Well done, only another 99.87% to go.

It would have covered the wage increase of Enda's adviser for a good many years.

Ian64

tayto lover wrote: »

It would have covered the wage increase of Enda's adviser for a good many years.

Which has nothing to do with the property tax!

tayto lover

Ian64 wrote: »

Which has nothing to do with the property tax!

it could have helped him to pay his

Bruthal

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Maybe you hang out with a certain type of person:D

I did the same exercise last week. Everyone (without exception) that I know is paying it. An even more interesting exercise imo.

Feck lads, here`s Donal, just say we are all paying, it will be easier:pac:

tayto lover

robbie7730 wrote: »

Feck lads, here`s Donal, just say we are all paying, it will be easier:pac:

He hangs out with his Party faithful no doubt.

Bishop_Donal

robbie7730 wrote: »

You can empathise with that particular post, yet you call for a €700 property tax as soon as possible (post#1166).

So living standards for you wont be too bad, just others already at disaster stage now. Maybe that will change for you if the country goes into the abyss, and thats all your losing sleep over, where as for many others, it really cant get much worse.

No wonder other posters think you have a government influenced agenda, because you really sound like a party member.

Well that's a different kettle of fish altogether.

There's a big diff between 'not able to pay it' (even if that is only your own perception) and 'not willing to pay it' which is the stance adopted by a lot of the goons on this site.

Bishop_Donal

robbie7730 wrote: »

Feck lads, here`s Donal, just say we are all paying, it will be easier:pac:

Ah grand. Tell you what, if it satisfies you and Tayto lover, I'll say I am in FG (or whatever party you want) even though I'm not. I couldn't give a monkey's.

Now. Hopefully that fixes everything. Now pay your tax.

tayto lover

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Ah grand. Tell you what, if it satisfies you and Tayto lover, I'll say I am in FG (or whatever party you want) even though I'm not. I couldn't give a monkey's.

Now. Hopefully that fixes everything. Now pay your tax.

Yeah right. We believe you.

Flex

robbie7730 wrote: »

You can empathise with that particular post, yet you call for a €700 property tax as soon as possible (post#1166).

So living standards for you wont be too bad, just others already at disaster stage now. Maybe that will change for you if the country goes into the abyss, and thats all your losing sleep over, where as for many others, it really cant get much worse.

No wonder other posters think you have a government influenced agenda, because you really sound like a party member.

It could get worse though. Our tax revenue at the moment is approx €34B versus expenses of ~€52B, so we are capable of financing about 66% of our expenditure (that €18B hole relates to public spending deficit, not the banks).

If we were to default nobody will lend to us and we'll have to close the €18B hole immediately. Some hypothethical events;

• Dole, pensions, disability, etc. and public sector pay would be cut by around 40%
• Subsidised third level fees, rent allowance, childrens allowance (needless to say public services such as schools, hospitals, functioning police force) would all be in shreds
• Far less infrastructural maintenance
• The sudden sharp collapse of disposable income floating around the economy would make unemployment rise quickly
• This in turn would mean less tax revenue and more welfare expenditure....

So tax credits would be reduced and we'd be well on our way back to the 1980's when VAT stood at ~35% and the government was taking about 65% of your gross pay in deductions.

But that would be cool, because at least we wouldve given two fingers to the IMF (greedy bastards, lending us money at a cheaper rate than we were ever able to get on the markets, even at the height of the boom!!) and stood up to the bankers who are trying to make us pay a property tax to fund their gold yachts that they sail around in an ocean of diamonds while swigging brandy and laughing at us

If this property tax fails then the government can simply do something like say, gradually reduce all tax credits by about €700 a year instead or something. Would that be prefereable?

squod

black francis wrote: »

200k is 0.00125% of the current budget deficit.
Multiplied by the 101 other ways you apparently have and we've come up with 0.126%.

Well done, only another 99.87% to go.

1,462,296 dwellings in the country. Deduct the number of dwellings inelligable for the property tax. Multiply that number by one hundred.

Say we make one hundred million from this caper. What percentage of our budget deficit is that?

I'll tell you. It's fuhk all!

Bruthal

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Ah grand. Tell you what, if it satisfies you and Tayto lover, I'll say I am in FG (or whatever party you want) even though I'm not. I couldn't give a monkey's.

Now. Hopefully that fixes everything. Now pay your tax.

Well now Donal, post #1415 was just a joke, suggesting why everyone you know has told you they are paying, without exception.

true

squod wrote: »

1,462,296 dwellings in the country. Deduct the number of dwellings inelligable for the property tax. Multiply that number by one hundred.

Say we make one hundred million from this caper. What percentage of our budget deficit is that?

I'll tell you. It's fuhk all!

It'll pay for the pensions of a few top public servants.

Phill Ewinn

There's OAPs who have been living on farm income subsidies most of their lives. Some of them haven't ever even had a dog licence FFS.

Likewise foreign nationals living in apartment blocks who wouldn't know what a TV licence is......

The truth of the matter is the low hanging fuit will be picked from the tree first. Just another tax which will be avoided by those who can.

Ian64

tayto lover wrote: »

He hangs out with his Party faithful no doubt.

"Party Faithful" a real Fianna Fail expression, no surprise there then!

Ian64

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

There's OAPs who have been living on farm income subsidies most of their lives. Some of them haven't ever even had a dog licence FFS.

Likewise foreign nationals living in apartment blocks who wouldn't know what a TV licence is......

The truth of the matter is the low hanging fuit will be picked from the tree first. Just another tax which will be avoided by those who can.

There are no shortage of forigen nationals who pay all their taxes, why the need to introduce petty racisism?

Hijpo

If you can pay it, pay it, how they expect people to pay the fine if they cant pay the 100 euro in the first place is idiocy and can only be described as scaremongering of the highest order.

Can any of the "pro household tax and water rate" or troll posters like bishop, ian64 and black tell me how much the government is earning by charging every plane that flies over irish air space?

Xenophile

Is it an offence to urge and campaign, that people should break the law?

shedweller

Although i disagree completely with the water charge i too feel that i will be paying it. Too busy to attend court and all that. Anyway, i'll just cut back spending elsewhere, to offset whatever it costs now and in the future.

Anyway, does anyone find that "Uproar-osity" is inversely proportional to the amount of money we get shafted for? The conspiracy theorist in me seems to think so! Are we mad or what??!!

Ian64

Hijpo wrote: »

If you can pay it, pay it, how they expect people to pay the fine if they cant pay the 100 euro in the first place is idiocy and can only be described as scaremongering of the highest order.

Can any of the "pro household tax and water rate" or troll posters like bishop, ian64 and black tell me how much the government is earning by charging every plane that flies over irish air space?

If youb cant win the arguement just personally abuse those who disagree with you is obviously your motto, this thread is about the household tax and i havnt notice any flying houses lately!

mikom

Xenophile wrote: »

Is it an offence to urge and campaign, that people should break the law?

Ask Martin Luther King.

K-9

mikom wrote: »

Ask Martin Luther King.

Yeah, this campaign goes down in the same annals as King, Ali and Rosa Parkes.

mikom

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah, this campaign goes down in the same annals as King, Ali and Rosa Parkes.

Rosa Parkes...... is she from Parke's Castle in Sligo?


Rosa Parks?
Never said that.
History will be written by the victors. , so best to leave the annals aside for a while.

Ian64

mikom wrote: »

Ask Martin Luther King.

good to see you that you have a sense of humour!

mikom

Ian64 wrote: »

good to see you that you have a sense of humour!

Ian64
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Dublin
Posts: 61 (95% of which are in property tax threads.)

*Humorously sniggers at the vested interest possibilities.*

K-9

mikom wrote: »

Rosa Parkes...... is she from Parke's Castle in Sligo?


Rosa Parks?
Never said that.
History will be written by the victors. , so best to leave the annals aside for a while.

Ian64 wrote: »

good to see you that you have a sense of humour!

He's a great spell checker too.

What would we do without Mikom.

Ian64

mikom wrote: »

Ian64
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Dublin
Posts: 61 (95% of which are in property tax threads.)

*Humorously sniggers at the vested interest possibilities.*

I have no isssue in declaring a vested interest, i have a vested interest in seeing my country recover and in protecting it from the worst excesses of the looney left "something for nothing-you pay for me" brigade.
As for your sniggering, i am minded of the old expression "what you expect from a pig but a grunt".

Ian64

K-9 wrote: »

He's a great spell checker too.

What would we do without Mikom.

So I make some spelling mistakes, thats hardly a crime. Unlike encouraging other to become tax evaders, which is a crime!

mikom

Ian64 wrote: »

I have no isssue in declaring a vested interest, i have a vested interest in seeing my country recover and in protecting it from the worst excesses of the looney left "something for nothing-you pay for me" brigade.
As for your sniggering, i am minded of the old expression "what you expect from a pig but a grunt".

95% grunts?

Ian64

Damn and Blast!
Cant find the bit in the Charter and posting rules that says you can only post if your grammer and spelling are correct!
Obviously however, so long as you spell check your messages then no matter how economically illiterate and politically bankrupt your postings are, you must be right!
And everyone who doesn't agree with you must be a FG member.

Phill Ewinn

Ian64 wrote: »

There are no shortage of forigen nationals who pay all their taxes, why the need to introduce petty racisism?

WTF? Are you for real? Because I disagree with you I'm automtically a bad person, is that it? Has it not occured to you that you are in the wrong?

Check the poll again.

I don't see how slandering other posters makes your argument more credible.